General Discussion
the youth of today
i have been quite vocal on the subject of youths on this forum in the past, and rightly so in some cases. but may i just tell of an experience i had yesterday. i have friends that reside in southsea, and yesterday made the long voyage east to visit them for the day. we had a long walk along the coastline there, and i have to say that i was absolutely appauled. it is no exageration to say that a good 75% of local youths (my friends confirmed they were locals), where in possession of alcohol (cans of lager, bottles of strong cider etc). Foul language was commonplace despite it being packed with young families enjoying the fine weather. and the alcohol evidently led to violence in some quarters. now the point i am leading up to is this: many people on this forum have said that this age group have nothing to do in dawlish and need thisthatandtother built for them. well look at southsea and you will see they have every facility under the sun. to name but a few, there is: a skate park, huge fairground rides, arcades, youth club, snooker hall, tennis courts, boating lake etc etc etc. so its not the area with its limited facilities that creates problems, but the people with their limited abilities to find something to do without causing others offence. i am just glad that dawlish will never be big enough to encourage too many of this age group if that is the result
The fact is, parents are mostly to blame. They allow themselves to be suckerd into the belief, that this is normal behavior these days and it's not. It does happen in Dawlish, only on a smaller scale. We live in a world that teaches kids to "look after number one" I have even hear a parent telling his son this same thing, what great parenting that is. No wonder people want to leave the UK.
Where are these young 'yobs' Kids may be noisy have a few swear words they bandy about thats normal.
I am sick of people slighting the youth I have nothing but respet from them.
I know, it appears that a lot of people on here have forgotten what its like to be young. To be honest I have a lot of respect for older people, but I have heard a lot of them be rude to the youths of the town for no reason and blame them for things they havent done. Obviously Bob was never young that is quite obvious!
I am coming to the conclusion that Olive is either one of the young delinquents I refer to, or else she is one of the "drop em for a packet of crisps and a swig of cripple cock nancies" that are responsible for bringing these waste of space charlies into this world. How anyone could possibly condone this antisocial behaviour is beyond me. Maybe the cripple cock has finally taken its toll. A tragic lesson for us all!
Always remember that those young parents of today learnt everything they know from the Bobs and Viaducts of this world. So whos to blame for the mess this country is in.
As for the teaching of Kids to put themselves 1st. This comes form the Mess that 70's Labour and Thatchers Tory Britain made of this country. As 3 million of us were unemployed ,and had nothing, leaving school with qualifications yet no hope of getting a job, we quickly learnt that the only way to get out of this scrapheap was to put yourself 1st.
If your worried about lack of discipline then blame the PC Brigade and their Liberal wishy washy ways.
As for national service, great idea , lets have thousands of armed combat trained youths leaving the army after 2 years and joining the Real soldiers that on leaving the army are tossed on the scrap heap angry and bitter at how OUR country has treated them.
Voice of freedom, what evidence do you have to make such a comment:
Always remember that those young parents of today learnt everything they know from the Bobs and Viaducts of this world.
Some children are brought up by good parents, others are brought up by people who should never have been a parent.
I have seen children roaming the streets of Dawlish very late at night and in the very early hours of the morning. Where are there parents to allow that to happen?
There seems little appreciation for those who stood up for England 65 years ago. Would people in 2008 .. or would people just let anyone walk in?
'Grange Hill' on TV 1984, with their unruly teenagers in school, set a standard to follow. The teenagers of then are todays parents .. say no more!
'Eastenders' on TV today has much to answer for.
Hang on a minute, i could have sworn it was todays youngsters that were fighting in Iraq and Afganistan and not 2nd world war veterans!
It is not just viaducts or bob's that are concerned.
Shadow pensions secretary Chris Grayling discusses Conservative plans to improve the value of parenting at an event hosted by Reform. "In too many parts of our society responsible parenting and good parenting experience is disappearing," he will say.
I don't need to think like a politician but others do! You need to think for your self but also listen to what others are trying to tell you. I have no colour attached to my lapel either. It is not just "Eastenders" or "Coronation Street", that help the problems on their way, Grayling has found another one.
The Conservatives have warned that the kind of parenting shown in the TV show 'Shameless' is becoming the norm in many parts of Britain.
Shadow work and pensions secretary Chris Grayling told a think-tank in London on Wednesday that many mothers and fathers follow the example of Frank Gallagher, the feckless father in the Channel 4 comedy.
He said that the Conservatives must be ready to address the loss of parenting skills caused by children being left to their own devices as they grow up.
He rejected attacks on single mothers associated with the Tories in the 80s and early 90s, saying the party should never again appear to be "at war with lone parents".
"There are millions of devoted lone parents delivering the care and nurture children need, often in challenging circumstances," he said.
"We want to help lone parents build their lives, not stigmatise them."
Grayling went on: "We live in a country where, in many places, Frank Gallagher-style parenting has become the norm and not the exception.
"There are too many communities where parents no longer know what good parenting is. Where children are largely left to their own devices as they grow up.
"Most people learn their parenting skills from their own parents... Who else but from your own parents do you learn how to say no, or when to punish, or when love and affection is needed?
"But what happens if that inherited knowledge simply isn't there? What happens if your own parents lacked parenting skills?"
The Conservative party......the party that smashed family values in the 1980's, with its look after yourself and stuff everyone else attitude. Thatchers money means everything and values mean nothing. Yes were really going to take notice of a party lead by snivelling hooray henry's who remind us of the Blairite tripe we just got rid of.
LIB/LAB/CON their all the same, promise the world , when really all they do is stick their snouts in the same trough.
Blimey...you could be describing our local council (snouts in the trough, etc....)! Agree with your sentiments.....all main political parties have merged into a middle-ground, 'hamster on a wheel' nothingness.
The climate is ripe for true socialism and the rebirth of unions. Or at the very least, a genuine caring community. Oh Thatcher, so much to answer for.......
I am, quite frankly appalled by your forum.
I was planning to come to dawlish for a holiday this summer and thought id look up the local info.
I am 21, and i get sick and tired of being stereotyped into this 'youth of today' nonsence.
Not all young people are ruffians who sit out and around drinking cider all day. The majority of us have to listen to the abuse the older generation give us and get looked down upon for doing things that no doubt you all did when you was younger but conveniently forgot.
I have worked in retail for the last 6 years and to be perfectly honest I recieve more rudeness from you older folk. I guess you expect respect for your years - however you are just as bad as the rest of us.
I am definately considering not coming to this town
Cant say I blame you Tourist.
Lovely place Dawlish but shame about the people. My house is up for sale.
Tourist!
I agree with Wondering....lovely place but the people are awful! Why would someone with your youth and vigor want to spend their holiday in such a fuddy-duddy backward resort when you could holiday in a place much more vibrant?
I wouldn't holiday here! And i live here! Also, you could probably get 2 or 3 weeks abroad for the price of apartments/caravans in the Warren! Enjoy your youth and come and see us when you are 70....
First of all tourist, remember i before e except after c. Secondly you sound like just the sort of buffoon we can well do without. It is a buffoon of the highest order who could put up any kind of defence of the behaviour I encountered. I did state that it is not all young people who behave in this manner. So may I refer you to an earlier poem of mine with the line: depart to torquay and be a dear.
regards bob
ps as long as there are buffoons there will be cripple cock!
Wondering, whereabouts is your property that is up for sale and who is it up with? I am always on the lookout to increase my portfolio with quality. Some real bargains will soon be available with the impending recession so I shouldn't hang around.
Three weeks abroad, for the same price as a week in the Warren. Where Iraq?
you can get a week in The warren (6-8 people)for the same price for one person abroad
Maybe if it's a down market, token holiday from the Sun newspaper, but certainly not peak season! It's way more expensive in this country.....not to mention cheap and tacky! Also the local pubs and restaurants seem to take great pride in ripping off the tourists with ludicrous prices for a junk food menu.
Not sure what holidays you prefer, but Hi De Hi and X Factor type entertainment is something i'd rather leave in the 70's.
Dawlish Warren is embarrassing! Fact!
Get real the lot of you. The kids round here are NOT BAD when was the last mugging or car
being torched.
You write like a petty bourgeoisie who is trying to whip us proletariat into what you want.
You are just the sort of person our goverment
wants the more brainwashed you are and accepting that crime is rife the more excuse for evading our ever diminishing privacy.
Bob, You talk alot about "cripple Cock" you and Viaduct only need one more mate and we've got ourselves a "Tripple Cock"
Don't be too sure that Dawlish won't be that big! With targets for numerous houses to be built here it's going to grow quite large, quite soon.
A message for the 'lovely' Bob.
I find it pretty sad that you go down the route of criticizing my spelling. I guess that was the only comeback that you could think of...?
Did i state ANYWHERE in my post that I was supporting people who drink and are louts??? I guess you cant read either!!! No, in fact I stated I hated people who put everyone in the same boat as everyone else. I do not support people who make mess, do drugs etc. In fact I am just an ordinary worker who wanted to go for a camping holiday (my first holiday in fact) somewhere I could relax and just have a bit of an adventure. I dont put my nose up at the apparent 'benidormness'od Dawlish Warrren...infact any holiday is better than nothing and I am looking forward to watching the carnival.
Let me guess, you sound like the sort of person who sits down all day thinking of things to complain about. Maybe you should go and find something useful to do?
And as for my spelling, if this was my dissertation then obviously I would be at fault. Infact, its just a post written in the heat of the moment!!
Oh. By the way, I see no record in this thread of you stating its only a minority of young people.
Maybe you should heed your own words...
depart to torquay and be a dear :D
to me everyone thats posted in thsi thread has something to whine about when it come sto youth, yes i am a youth myself well a year or two older but i still consider myself a youth and keep and open mind.
im a mum and yes i was one of those stats that you see about teenage mums etc but that doesnt mean i should be labelled as one when i am a youngster. i have done alot in dawlish since i have lived here and i am proud of what i have achieved but the likes of bob and his cronies in this forum, shut up and get on with you lifes.
young people are putting there lifes at risk these days fighting for th country they believe in, perhaps none are from dawlish etc but tehy et support from us all. i dont see you getting up and fighting for your country, and sitting on a chair or sofa adding naff messages on the forum doesnt count as doing anything productive just silly and stupid. which makes me think your spending too much time on the forum and not enough time enjoyin the summy weather while its here, as i know for a fact as soon as that goes youll be whinging about that too.
er....Mouse. You talk about people needing to respect the yuf cause they are fighting for us overseas. You might need to remember that older older people who live in Dawlish have also had experience of fighting for this country (WWII, Aden, N. Ireland, the former Yugolavia, the Falklands, the first Iraq war etc). Get the picture?
And that is not a whine - more a reminder to you and others of some facts.
I agree with you mouse.
Its a shame that we cant all just live with each other without all of these prejudices.
Everyone has to face facts - you may not have had all the problems of today back in the 40's and 50's. But by heck they were still around. These BObs, Viaducts etc were all young once (probably around the 1960's) when hmmm let me think, drugs were rife, everyone was lazing around doing nothing and talking about FREE LOVE. The 1980's - wouldnt you call the punk rockers ruffians?
I bet they don't like me stereotyping everyone into the same category? And yet thats whatis happening nowadays. Each generation has its own merits and its own faults but we dont need people preaching their own ideas onto others. Its all well to express your views, but once you start being rude and agressive then thats going to far.