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Sainsbury's sent packing
Could this happen here I wonder?
Sainsbury’s shop plan sent packing
Sainsbury’s plans to build a supermarket in Wombourne have been thrown out after councillors were told the store would “bleed dry” village traders and shopkeepers in nearby towns.
Planners on South Staffordshire District Council had recommended approval of the proposals for a former industrial site in Heath Mill Road. But last night councillors voted 30 to five against the application, arguing that it was too big for Wombourne and would affect the livelihood of local traders and the vitality of the village.
Tesco is also vying to build a store in Heath Mill Road, yards from the site where Sainsbury’s, which is now likely to appeal, had hoped to start construction.
Councillor Roger Lees said a Sainsbury’s store would attract traffic from Dudley, Stourbridge and Kingswinford as well as Wombourne and surrounding villages, exacerbating an already chaotic situation.
A supermarket in the village would spark “a malaise” in Wombourne which would spread to other parts of South Staffordshire and also bleed dry Wall Heath, Kingswinford and Gornal, he warned.
He also accused Sainsbury’s of not making any car parking provision for its estimated 250 staff.
Supporting the refusal, Councillor Mary Bond said: “While I recognise that some residents like the convenience of a superstore on their doorstep, this is off-set by the longer-term impact such a development would create for Wombourne as a whole.”
Councillor Reg Williams said a supermarket would have a “monstrous” effect on shopkeepers’ trade.
Several councillors, including planning chairman Brian Cox, voiced safety concerns over the road junction at the site.
At a site visit yesterday, lorries were seen mounting the pavement in order to make a turn.
Councillor Mike Hampson accused Sainsbury’s of “courting disaster” over its traffic management plans.
In Sainsbury’s defence, Councillor Alan Hinton said most villagers did not use the local shops for their weekly groceries and the store would provide much-needed jobs.
He also argued that only five or six per cent of the local shops were food outlets. “I don’t think the local traders would lose out that much,” he said.
I am greatly concerned at the impact of new development of the magnitude proposed on the Shutterton area of Dawlish, a more peripheral area of the town, which has not been greatly urbanised. All I say is say farewell to the beautiful environment which exists at the moment and hello to traffic and urban sprawl!
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT ACCORD WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN FORCE IN THE AREA IN WHICH THE LAND TO WHICH THE APPLICATION RELATES IS SITUATED.
I am also greatly concerned about the apparent free for all in planning applications that is taking place around the Shutterton area - 2 x housing schemes and now the Supermarket. How many cars will these schemes generate if they are given the go ahead?
People need homes and people need to shop to live.
i cannot believe you are so stupid, the people who would use a decent supermarket now go to Newton or Exeter causing more carbon footprint.
In these days of ever increasing food prices one cannot afford to use the 'little' shop other than for things forgotton or bread.
The Bakers newagents and Delhi's are the only independant shops in the town
Whilst I agree totally that lots of people in Dawlish travel to Exeter or Newton to do their main shop the point still remains that if many of these people then switch to shopping to Sainsbury's at Shutterton, the number of cars will increase in that particular area of town. That will be added to if the go ahead is given to the 2 x housing developments being mooted in the Secmaton Lane area.
The whole thing needs to be thought through in a strategic manner and not in this hotch potch of planning applications.
Supermarkets attract cars (and delivery vehicles). New houses attract cars. Where's the road infrastructure to cope?
As said before, the new store will be for a catchment area of about 8 miles. Dawlish people will still go to Exeter and Newton shop whatever, 'the grass greener on the other side', they certainly will not like it for some reason, though not built yet lol... this follows all shopping patterns everywhere.
So....more traffic then?
Dawlish people still travelling to Exeter and Newton to shop plus some now switching to Shutterton. Plus other people, outside of Dawlish, now travelling to Sainsbury's at Shutterton to shop instead of Exeter or Newton.
Like I said, more cars in the Shutterton area.
And that's not to mention the increase in cars if the 2 x housing applications get the go ahead.
Oh and don't forget the holiday traffic in high season will you.
Chaos at best - highly dangerous and asking for RTAs at worst.
Dont agree that people will still travel for their groceries,Maybe you have shares in the Co-op?.
The indigenous population obviously is growing,
people move here for a better life, We Need More Housing its a fact.
This is the 21st century
Yes I know it's the 21st century. And in the 21st century it is anticipated that the carbon fuels will run out.
What then your supermarket and cars?
And with regard to the more immediate future.....you haven't addressed the issue I have raised about the increase in traffic in the Shutterton area.
Yes, agreed it would be out of town. So?
There will still be a lot more traffic in the Shutterton area than at present. And like I said previously - such traffic will bring with it chaos and increase the likelihood of RTAs.
I don't understand what you mean by "why?".
Why will a supermarket (wherever located) bring extra cars to wherever it is sited? I would have thought that was obvious.
Why will a supermarket sited at Shutterton Bridge plus (possibly) 2 x new housing estates in extremely close proximity bring extra cars? I would have thought that was obvious.
Why will such extra cars (and don't forget delivery vehicles!) congregating in one area help to increase the possibility of traffic jams and RTAs? I would have thought that was obvious.
Don't forget also that a petrol station is being planned as well. So even more cars then!
And then in summer of course we then have the additional holiday traffic.
That's why!
Flats built in the High St. Two lots of flats almost built in East Cliff Road. Site clearance taking place at Treston court. Proposals for James Plantation and Secmanton Rise. Demolition of the caretakers house at Dawlish Community College and then to build 8 flats. Goodridge Farm out buildings being converted into accommodation, when the planning application was for the conversion of a tractor shed.
All bringing in more more traffic.
Councillors will argue that we need more affordable housing. How come when it is obvious that there are more and more properties "To Let" now.
I say greedy developers who don't care a toss about the problems they will cause, especially the quality of life for people living in the area.
And the building of super markets will add to the problems.
It's interesting that at a public meeting recently over 80% of the audience raised their hands and admitted that they do their main shopping at supermarkets outside Dawlish. That means that Dawlish is not a shopping destination for most of the people in the town.
We also know that there are very few full time or part-time jobs available in Dawlish and yet there has been employment land allocated at Shutterton since 1996.
So, please don't bury your heads in the sand and say we don't need a supermarket on our doorstep.And we do need a developer with the financial muscle to open up that 10 acre site, and Sainsbury's offer that to us. We can expect a decent quality of design and produce from local sources - look at their buying policies.
A well developed site that contains some factory units as well can put a better face to the northern approach to Dawlish, offer a range of decent jobs and get the town on a better footing for the extra population that is coming, like it or not.
Some people just don't like change.
Dawlish has two supermarkets that are very
expensive and the smaller shops do not provide
everyday items.
I would like to see a supermarket that sells
hoousehold and electricl goods and clothes.
Then I would do all my shopping in Dawlish
and use the small shops.
I am addressing the impact of the supermarket in terms of cars not whether or not Dawlish needs a supermarket!
Whether or not Dawlish needs a supermarket has been debated umpteen times both here and elsewhere.
The FACT remains that a supermarket sited at Shutterton Bridge (indeed a supermarket sited anywhere) attracts cars.! Surely that cannot be a matter of dispute?
Add then a planned petrol station on the same site and even more cars are attracted.
Yes or no?
If more got rid of their cars, not be proud and go by bus they would save a fortune.
Before you say you have to have one for work etc, if you cant drive for health reasons you have to change your work, location and live where buses are.
Dawlish has a bus every 15 minutes to Exeter and Teignmouth, last bus from Exeter and Teignmouth at 11.35pm, never any credit for that, apart from moans of fares for short journeys. You can have a £6 day ticket for all of Devon.
I went to Plymouth last week on the train £3.65 return on a Devon card 75 miles round trip. No hassle 53 minutes. So for me, I have never had a car and never had to earn the kind of money you need to have one sat outside the house, pay for fuel, tax, parking etc.
As for Sainsburys it will come to Dawlish no doubt and as you know people here probably will not use it, how strange.. people like to go out somewhere for the day and link with the shopping.
I am happy at times to do online shopping and have delivered to the door whilst I continue to work on here, no children and people chatting in the isles!
BAKED BEANS
Whilst on prices .. heres a challenge for you all. I see in the Post Office Dawlish 3 tins of large Heinz Baked Beans for 99p speial offer.. now I know from my Asda or Tesco shop they cost 50p+ each ..you should take up the offers that are around, at least look, in small shops, is 'swings and roundabouts' you know. I bought in Asda a jacket Potato for 43p. In Stokes 29p and larger too!
My son in a nurse at the RD&E he CANNOT use
public transport on the late shift he would
have to wait over an hour for a bus after working a 12 hour shift. Early shift on Sundays
no buses? are you suggesting he changes his job?
My daughter has a very good job in Exeter, where
she works there are no buses again why should
she change her job?
How do all these people get to supermarkets in
other towns BY CAR.
People lead very busy lives in the majority of homes both HAVE to WORK consequently they have
to do one big shop a week carrying a family's
required weekly shop on public transport would be impractible.
Look at the price of own brand baked beans 20/25p just as good at Heinz and look at the prices of other food in the 'post office' the beans are a lost leader.
My family shop in Newton Asda or Tesco's they buy their greengrocery in Teignmouth at the only independant one around they also go to the butchers there (independant).
Of course people would shop in Dawlish if there was a decent supermarket. One has to go further afield for clothes, household goods etc.
If you are unable to drive you simply have to work to suit, that is something I have had to do. You should try a week without a car and realise how lucky you are or not lol.
"How do all these people get to supermarkets in
other towns BY CAR." (see Realist posting above)
Glad to see you acknowledge that supermarkets DO attract cars Realist.
My point was cars are going to be used whether
Dawlish has a supermarket or not!
Firemen needs cars to get to the fire station when there is a fire dr needs cars when on call
and my son needs a car to carry on being a nurse
Yes I appreciate that cars get used. My point is that Supermarkets attract more cars to be used in one particular area - the supermarket and its immediate environment.
My guess is you are either retired or unemployed.
Not many people have the time to spend on day trips out by trains or buses, certainly not young working parents with a family.
As with the shopping how many people have the time to check out all the shops to see if it's possible to save a few pence on a can of beans?
So...like I keep saying.....Supermarkets attract cars.
Heaven help the Shutterton area - especially on a Saturday in high season.
You are wrong, I work and I am not retired. I am not fortunate to be able to drive as you all are, so how should I or anyone who does not drive get to Exeter, Plymouth or anywhere .. walk?
That is what I do use buses and trains for work, good thing I am not proud..
Ziggy said .. 'Not many people have the time to spend on day trips out by trains or buses'
I wanted to know how I and others who do not drive are expected to travel if not by bus or train... walk?
calling the pot black ..
Ziggy said on April 2nd 'Positive things' ..'Went for my usual walk and spent the afternoon in my garden' lol
Like Bob I am deleting this website.. people just can't be pleasant.