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I heard on the grapevine (reliable source )that there are over 20 immigrant families coming to town I have nothing against them but where will they live and work, Homeless has been very quiet lately hope she he okay and found a nice doorway
I am not prejudice my grandfathers family were Polish immigrants I am only concerned about our infrastructure
i am afraid you are going to have to adapt to becoming a multicultural town like the rest of Britain. With the vast influx of eastern europeans it is inevitable that whole communities will be housed everywhere. This country has already lost its identify and it is only small pockets of the country ie Devon, Cornwall etc where there has so far been little or no impact. At least you have cafe's and betting shops to keep them entertained in the daytime. Your only hope of staying largely as you are is by having little or no affordable housing, little or no available rented accommodation (particularly housing association and council owned properties), little or no available jobs (unskilled or otherwise). Good luck
Your comment about having polish grandparents reminds me of those who say " I'm not prejudice in fact I've got lots of Muslim/Black/Irish/
East European/Traveller/Gay/Lesbian/Homeless etc etc etc friends but......" and then go on to make prejudicial remarks against those very self same people.
Prejudice is prejudice.
it wasnt meant to come over like that all I mean it that for the community to grow that quick there has to be the resources. I am all for new homes built a proper supermarket etc my kids moved away because there was no affordable housing bought or rented or job opportunities with proper pay.
The community will be growing far faster than "20 families" when the new houses get built. Will you be complaining then about lack of jobs etc? Shouldn't be any problem about where people can live though. What about those who are internal immigrants like myself. Are those the type of immigrants you have in mind? I suspect not.
what happens if 30 families turn up and none of the kids can speak English the little resorces the schools have will be spent of language lessons etc Dawlish would need more doctors for one thing I dont care if 100 families move in the more the merrier but will those in power provide the resources. Having lived in London I know what problems immigration brings Oh and alsothe benifits.
NoI wont complain about new housing as long as a proportion is cheap housing for local people. There are many people here in Dawlish living in inadequate housing. It is nothing to do with being a racist its the pracitcalities
It was 20 families originally - now its 30. You're not exaggerating are you?
I await to see how many of these non-English speaking families turn up. If there is a need for English language lessons then we will all need to make a fuss to make sure that the EXTRA funds are made available. Won't WE?
(In fact - as a native English speaker you could offer to help them learn English couldn't you).
I wonder if your polish grandparents could speak English when they first arrived in this country?
Have you noticed how this thread is now getting adverts at the bottom of it concerning immigration/emigration. So far I've spotted;
Singlemuslim.com and Greencard (concerning entry to the USA). Anyone seen any others?
I remember my gran saying "charity begins at HOME"! Its a shame our government doesn't feel the same. We seem hell bent on letting anyone and everyone into this country with open arms. And lets face it they get everything!!! they are a drain on our country. Austrailia has the best idea as the don't let them in FULLSTOP!!!! Perhaps we should all invade a european country and start again, i'm sure we could find one thats quite empty as they are all over here.
I saw an ad in Wednesdays Herald Express for a roomto let in a house share it said would suit Eastern European, is this racism if was to advertise a room saying suit a British person would I be breaking the law?
I think the answer is that Yes the law is broken if you discriminate on grounds of race/ethnicity etc. Suggest you complain to the paper that carried that advert.
European if i was going to Austrailia a least i would live by there rules. I wouldn't ask them to stop things such as Xmas lights because its against my religion. Also i would not expect them to supply me with a house,medical cover and benefits to live on unlike alot of people who enter this country. This country is to soft and it needs to toughen up. We are being used as a dumping ground perhaps we should dump all our druggies, murderers, rapist and other criminals to european countries and see how they like that.
I think you'll find that the Xmas lights and 'Winterfest' nonsense was exactly that.
I agree that if you move to another country you should abide by the rules that are there, but that said you might still want to change them.
If you don't like this country move to.......Argentina perhaps?
Now your putting words into my mouth. I didn't say that i disliked this country i'm proud to be british, we have a fantastic people beautiful countryside. All i'm saying is that we need to protect our identity. If you are honest with yourself you will admit we have become to soft, look at the law for one all you get is a slap on the wrists if you rob someone. We need to put the GREAT back into Britian.
"All I'm saying is that we need to protect our identity".
Now .....that opens up a whole can of worms.
Define what is our British identity.
Make hay while the sun shines if Shari law is introduced before you know it a forum like this will be outlawed. Our identity little as is it is slipping away.
If I ent to live in Romania would I get a house or benifits
Todays headline "Archbishop wants Muslim law in UK" need i say more, well i do. It should read British Law in UK. As for protecting our identity we worry so much about offending other cultures and religion that we forget our own. I have nothing against people of another race or religion living here but why should we change our laws to suit them. What really winds me up is the fact some Immigrants can come to this country and get everything when we have our own people suffering. Example:
Certain British families waiting for housing, dentists etc are made to wait, Immigrants get housing,dentists & NHS over our own. So do you believe this is right especially when they have not paid into the system.
Our identity? "freedom of speech , womens rights animal welfare carnivals to come and go as we please even welcoming other into our country Christmas Easter "even though you may not be religious tell me how many you dont enjoy Christmas or buy Easter eggs and having a cup of tea the list is endless.
And forums like this
Am a Guardian reader myself read the article in there today. Dont knock what you have. If it is that bad why does the rest of the world want to come here
This subject caught my attention having a rare day off I trawled the net came up with some interesting facts.No other European country hands out state benefits as we do, or social housing to immigrants we have the largest proportion on immigrants and deport the least illegal ones.our health system schools housing etc is in overload.The prisons are heaving with foreign convicted criminals and those waiting for deportation.
Saying that if Dawlish is to have families from distant shores, I shall welcome them because most immigrants are decent hard working people
Hate to say this, but this is really a moot point. Immigrants are already here and working hard. A local old folks' home is staffed by over 80% Polish or Bulgarian.
They're here, they work hard and they put back into Dawlish through care work. And you haven't even noticed. So what is your problem?
Have to laugh at the post about keeping British traditions. Shall we go and invade Scotland again and slaughter the Scots? Look through the histories and you'll find that that Great Britain is an extremely blood thirsty isle. I say live and let live. Not everyone is on the scrounge.
I wouldn't say working hard. The company I work for have just dismissed a Foreign employee for being an absolute waste of space and showing very little interest in his work. All he ever did was to milk the system for all he could get. I suppose he will be down the dole office on Monday so that the tax payer can pay his rent for him!
And I think those last two postings just go to show that 'Immigrants' are as different as we are. You just cannot make sweeping generalisations (well..okay...some can and do).
On the subject of British traditions. As has been pointed out, we have much to be ashamed of!
We also have a lot to be proud of.Nowhere else in Europe will take as many migrants without hostility as we British do. Go to London where I was born and lived for 17 years see why we have to be concerned
Well now, if a 'British' characteristic is to take so many immigrants without hostility as you claim, why are you being implicitly hostile towards immigrants with your final remark about visiting London?
And if you lived in London for so long and now you live here does that not make you an internal immigrant?
And I thought that one of the main reasons that London was awarded the 2012 Olympics was because as it's so multicultural it represents the Olympic global village.
Hey, London born and bred. Did you know that for centuries London has been a haven for the persecuted from overseas? For all you know you could have some of that immigrant blood in you.
French Huguenots and Eastern European Jews being but just two of those groups.
Now how 'British' are you?
I theenk my Gweat Gwandfasser was a wussian, moi gwandmusser she was fwench and me dad was a polish eemigwant so wot duz that make me
There is a huge difference in saying this country has enough immigrants to being a racist, let all of us who live in the U.K have decent housing health care schooling jobs etc, but if we keep our borders wide open we will not have any of these things unless taxes go up to pay for them.
Yes Britain has a chequered past so does every other country,
It's the Brits who won't admit to Britain having a chequered history who wind me up. Course we have!
I hear what you say about the difference between racism and having too many (for some) immigrants.
Perhaps Olive could let us know if she was referring to 20 (which in a later posting then become 30)internal immigrant families or to 20/30 overseas immigrant families?
put 30 in by mistake I was told its families new to this country.
I have nothing against immigration creed or colour.As a previous posting said to be concerned about the amount of immigration to this country is not the same as being a racist.
Dawlish has a huge affordable housing problem is there room in the schools for children of 20 extra families, is there the jobs If all these issues are sorted out then I dont see a problem but they wont be because they havent for the people here now.
But I'm an immigrant (internal) as are others that I know of. We've taken up houses, school places,jobs, places at the doctors' surgeries, dental surgeries etc. etc.
Are we 'internal' immigrants as of equal concern to you as those who do not originate from these shores?
Just look on Migration Watch website they advise the goverment.
Where did you move from and why, my family moved for a better way of life.
Immigration and recism are two separate issues>
If Dawlish had 20 non speaking Spainish familys move in there would be the same problems as if they were Romanian
its about time we stopped knocking Britain, it cant be that bad if people are queuing up to get here
Who's knocking Britain? Not me.
And I think you mean non speaking English don't you and not non speaking Spanish.
Oh and talking of non speaking Spanish I have heard tell that there are lots of expat Brits out on the Costas whose proud boast is that they don't speak a word of Spanish!
Wot - move to another country and not learn the language? Us Brits? Never!
Heard today that the government are going to charge immigrants £30,000 a year for the privilege of living in our wonderful land. That should slow the influx down a bit.
Totally agree if Brits move abroad they should learn the language and customs before they go.
You still havent said where you moved from and why.
I moved from a city in another part of the country.
I moved here because I love it and because it offered a life style change.
Olive we live in a huge country that is part of an even bigger planet.In the past this great country of ours went where it wanted now the tables are turned and people are coming here as one of the richest coutries in the world we can accomodate lots more people trouble is the goverment spends its budget illegal on wars etcMy brother is in Australia my sister lives in France I am from Polish immigrants (was born in Dawlish) all people if they can go where life is better
Olive's point is that Dawlish cannot afford more people, regardless of where they come from. School places are limited and so are jobs and housing. She is not being racist, just practical. What's the saying? Can't fit a quart into a pint pot? Dawlish needs to change and expand to welcome newcomers. It's been noted on other posts that Dawlish is becoming stagnant. We need fresh blood here, just can't cater for them all yet. More people here will be a good thing as then we will eventually get better amenities and shops etc to cater for all - hopefully!
People come here from abroad to do the jobs the lazy so and so who live here wont do whats the problem
When I agreed with Frannie what I meant was yes Dawlish needs more infrastructure and that I didnt think Olive was a racist, So what if people from Eastern Europe come here we have an influx of people from Birmingham London etc if Polish people etc are willing to come here and work whats the problem
Yes if they work it's 'ok' but what about the thousands of unemployed British people in this country that are able and willing to work, but are being put a side by immigrants taking the jobs?
How do immigrants take jobs away, jobs go to foreign workers because the brits wont do them
What about the 1000s of brits who work abroad
Fair comment. I'm sure there are many British job seekers here in the UK wanting work that are actively seeking it but cannot get it. Surely they should be a priority.
Maybe the problem is that foreign workers will work for less money than the Brits or put in more hours.
My kids all work and had no trouble finding a job, my grandaughter works every weekend.The system doesnt help when it is financially better for some to be on benifits.
Or is it that we have a benifit culture.
Agree we need to get the home grown people into work