NEWTON Abbot MP Martin Wrigley enjoyed an afternoon ice cream in sunny Dawlish with fellow Lib Dem MP Christine Jardine. The pair were on the campaign trail ahead of the county council elections next month.
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And there just happened to be a photographer present. He does love getting his picture in the papers.
Noticed that we are to lose the water disount for SWW payers in devon.Is wriggley fighting that or just not interested?
Liberal Democrat MP Christine Jardine is the party's Women and Equalities Spokesperson and I doubt its coincidental that she's in the area following the Supreme Court ruling over what defines a woman the other day. More likely its linked to Rosie's interpretation of the Equality Act and censorship of gender critical' women as Chair of District Council meetings.
Scottish MPs don't tend to get involved in English local Council elections, more likely she'll be having a strong word with Martin about his decision as the District Council Leader to select Rosie as the Chair and how women and trans people can feel reassured by their elected representatives in Teignbridge moving forward.
Martin's Elon Musk salute in that photo does nothing for his reputation, though it might gain a few nods of appreciation fro the far right.
Looks then like an error of judgement by Martin to appoint Rosie
as candidate. Wonder if it will be addressed in the the lib dem election leaflet ( if there is ever going to be one.) The Tories along with reform were out canvasaing last week no sign of the lib dems but again they treat the general public with the contempt they deserve by assuming they are a shoo in so why waste time canvassing the public, if you dont have policies you cant be challenged on them. Always makea me laugh when alternative views are always described as "Right Wing" when in fact they can be just the views of ordinary citizens with a different viewpoint.
Racists, angry white men (isnt that racist too?) are other labels thrown at people who disagree with this lot.
Martin has been working hard in the Easter recess taking time out from his many roles to campaign in Teignmouth. Rosie's leaflets will be delivered soon.
Is rosies leaflets back at the printers for changes so that she does not now support trans men in womens areas prior to election.?
Suggests a whole new cliental for rosies mind health charity of those men who thought they were women being told nope ....afraid its biological old chap.
The Reform leaflet came through the door this morning, still no word from the Dumbs.
Perhaps Rosie is having her leaflets sent by Royal Mail given safety concerns relating to certain members of society and/or her mobility issues given that it's a large and hilly area to cover.
Mobility issues.....Perhaps wriggley and jardine could do some of the house to house leafleting or is that beneath them.
@AliPop
I didn't realise it was so unsafe for Dawson to walk the streets of Dawlish, who are these "certain members of society" to whom you refer?
Could it be shes so embarrased to come out ( forgive the pun) after backing trans men in womens spaces after the court verdict.?
The Supreme Court ruling permits trans men in womens' spaces.
A biological man who identifes as a woman cannot go into womens spaces please read the judgement.
@1263 Yes that is correct.
So what do you think is the biological sex of a trans man?
And under the Supreme Court ruling why couldn't a trans man use a woman's toilet or changing room?
Why would a transman want to go into women's spaces, not sure you understand this.
I'm addressing you Alipop. I suggest you check the definition of a transman.
@burnside okay if you're so certain, following the Supreme Court ruling, which toilet would a trans man have to use?
@AliPop
A transman is a woman who wishes to be a man, so I imagine they would prefer to use men's facilities.
@burnside I agree. I imagine they would want to use men's facilities. I didn't refer to whether they'd want to or not. I asked why couldn't a trans man use a woman's toilet or changing room, following the Supreme Court ruling. And if @1263 thinks they cannot use these facilities where should they then go to urinate, defecate and get changed without breaking the law? The Supreme Court ruling is clear on which toilet a trans man would have to use by law. Clear to everyone it seems except@1263.
It was @1263 who wrote that Rosie was 'backing trans men in womens spaces' and "Is rosies leaflets back at the printers for changes so that she does not now support trans men in womens areas prior to election.?". She wasn't backing or supporting trans men in womens' spaces. This is factually incorrect.
@1263 is correct in writing; "A biological man who identifes as a woman cannot go into womens spaces..." but he refers to this person as a trans man. Which is incorrect. And then he suggests I need to check the definition of a trans man and the Supreme Court ruling.
Finally managed to get a lib dem election leaflet ( it waa sticking out of someones bin) Lets review some of the claims.:
Main page "A record of action."
Picture saying no mayoral limo for rosie at carnival??? she only has to walk about 200yrds to get to the lawn are we supposed to be grateful and vote for her on that basis.
Pucture :Rosie " supports" parents and students for better road safety outside devon college. There are already 2 zebra crossings there and i think there was previoua calls for traffic lights which is daft. I am aware there was a accident at that location however noticed the number of students that walk across oblivious to traffic as too busy on phones.
Rosie "helped" secure funding for link road and bridge.I have a problem with the wording "helped & supported" as it really means nothing for example i helped global warming by turning down my thermostat, i support world peace bur in reaility its a joke,bit like the adverts that say " clinically proven" which in law means nothing Maybe she typed the minutes or made the tea, no clarity about what she dis. Again protesting against dumping sludge off holocombe beach. Surely the lib dem run council should be raising this as issue/petition etc rather than the meaninleas protesting headline.Again "campaigned tirelessly" is pretty meaningless but does give another photo op for you local MP as MP if you already did not know.
Dont know how many times we have seen martin wriggly staring at potholes with caption which should be "lib dems looking into it." Current goverment has reneged on money to be spent on potholes but at least they have put up some money so idea is to blame devon county council for this.
Other isues "Fanning the flames of the cost of living" blame DCC but what about Teignbridge council run by the lib dems putting up dawlish precepts. As far as i am aware the lib dems did not object to the DCC increases.
"Improving"( yes thats another one of those words) helping to reduce road safety by reducing HGV traffic.? Hows that for a claim, do HGV drivers avoid dawlish at school times?
Finally the killer photo with the clown that is ed ( stunt ) davey the man who refused to meet the postmasters trousered £200 k working for the firm that was prosecuting the postmasters. This show a lack if credibility to even put this photo in , so can you trust anything the lib dems say after this.
Note : Things ignored or dropped.
Rosies support for men in womens areas.
Replacement bridge in manor park.Polish workers could have probably built and replaced it in a day Rosie raised a petition ( probably to kill off local anger about inaction ) and the kicked it down the road hoping people would soon forget.
Wriggley trying to ignore brook dredging by citing health and safety , environmenral impact etc. Not interested until a local petition raised. So much for local lib dem thoughts about local issues.
Alledged £90k spent on doing up manor building.
From a previous post, lib dems cancelling a VE celebration as they said its "elitist" Wonder what the local branch of the RBL libdem voters think of that...
One thing you forgot above about Wrigley about the Brook, "Not interested until a local petition raised", was that he wasn't interested until the media were down there with their cameras. 
@1263 So have you looked up the definition of a trans man? The Council meetings that went viral on You Tube concerned gender critical women who did not want women's spaces shared with trans women, NOT trans men. You need to look up the definition of both trans men and trans women.
@1263 on the 20th you wrote;
"Could it be shes so embarrased to come out ( forgive the pun) after backing trans men in womens spaces after the court verdict.?"
Why does Rosie need to 'come out'? Why is that even a pun or funny? As far as I know she has a daughter and a husband. And even if she were lesbian or bisexual what business is it of yours to speculate about her sexuality on this site?
@1263 On the 19th you wrote;
"Suggests a whole new cliental for rosies mind health charity of those men who thought they were women being told nope ....afraid its biological old chap."
Are you of the opinion that everyone who attends Rosie's mental health charity are trans women? (i am assuming you've looked up the definition by now and note the difference between a trans woman and a trans man).
It appears you are insinuating that trans people are mentally ill.
I suggest you read the guidance on what is acceptable behaviour on this site and stop your transphobic rants and insensitive jokes. I've a mind to notify the Town Council and Rosie about this matter.
@Carer, it's politics and there's nothing you can do about it. The petitions and media coverage seem to be working and Martin has done very well for himself. As will Rosie.
I never suggested rosie was lesbian - you just have.
I never said everyone who attends rosies charity are trans women - you just have .
I never said trans peopke are mentally ill - you just did .
I didnt suggest that rosie come out but by defnition a lot people when they mention their sexuality to public or family the term is to " come out"
Transphopic rants - yes you do go on a bit, tedious at times.
Insensitive jokes - yep maybe to woke people like you.
I have a good mind to report you for making all these assumptions.
@1263 It's all written above and your counter accusations are unfounded and desperate.
Again I suggest you read the guidance on what is acceptable behaviour on this site.
Is that the best you can do , put a picture of a stupid badge on the site.
When your stuck for answers/ responses to my points in the lib dem leaflet put up a shiney picture of a badge .
@1263 And where's your response to not knowing what a trans man is? After you got on your high horse telling me to look up the definition and the Supreme Court ruling. Hypocrite.
That's what you're really angry about, being made a fool.
I added the badge as I knew it would infuriate you further, which it did.
What did you expect from the leaflet, it's politics and shameless self promotion. not a truthful self appraisal. Why do you waste your breath? There's only one winner in Dawlish.
Repeated - Transphobic rants- yes you do go on a bit- tedious.
Added badge to infurate me.? I'm in tears......
What did i expect from leaflet ? and in your words " its NOT A TRUTHFUL SELF APPRAISAL" and you ask people to vote for liars.!!!!
@1263 I don't ask people to vote for liars. They'll do it anyway, regardless of which party they vote for.
At least I can honestly say that my party struggles to claim that it represents liberalism and democracy when we look at the Rosie, Martin and Ed Davey amongst others. And I don't expect any Liberal democrat Councillor or MP to be as honest as I am as it would be political suicide.
However I find it hypocritical when people like you who I assume will vote Reform based on your comments, regurgitate Farage's bile about the party being defenders of democracy and not having a problem with racism misogeny, transphobia, etc. That's absolutely delusional, it's far from the truth, it's a lie. If Reform were truthful their leaflet would admit they have institutional problems with racism and that the party is built upon discrimination and hate.
Equally I find it hypocritical when Labour and the Tories claim to work for the people and portray themselves as Democrats. If their leaflets were honest they would come clean that they work for big business and self-interested career politicians, the same as my party and Reform.
All the parties are liars, you just prefer one group of liars and I another. that's all. You just can't admit it.
Rosie's leaflet is exactly what we should all expect, as is Reform's, Labour's the Tories, etc. How many elections have you lived through? Why are you even surprised?
I'd welcome a system where parties told it exactly how it is. Then we'd all know where we stand and the world would be a lovely, open and honest place. That's not human nature.
I'm no fan of Rosie or Martin, they're pretty vile individuals, but then again associating with the Liberal Democrats is advantageous to me and my family and protecting my assets. I don't vote based on values or principles and the notion of common cause died decades ago. I vote in my best interests even if that means nailing my colours to the mast of a ship skippered by those I personally find repugnant. If that sounds selfish, it is.
Perhaps you're somewhat of an idealist and naive, perhaps ill-informed and easily misled. I feel you need to 'wake up and smell the coffee' regarding the nature of politics, it's all about being economical with the truth, manipulation and power. No matter which party you chose to stand by. They're all liars.
Your making assumptions again, but to be honest i would give brownie points to a candidate that said, hey im only here for the money and not interested in the local issues. As you say they probably would not be elected but it would be refreshing.You mention all the poor qualitites racism transphobia etc but by your own admission all parties would have an element of these within their respective parties. As they say there none as blind those that
cannot see. Not quite sure how you see the liberal party protecting your assets however you could be a farmer who seem to vote liberal. Too be honest i hate politics and politicans but look to vote for the best of the worst and not interested if there "local " and 'love devon" rather more what there policies are. As the lib dems are the current incumbents i check their statements and had it been the tories again i would not hesitate to do the same.I ignore labour and greens as not worth my time as they will be destroyed in elections.
You may be correct that rosie will win but you will be swimming against the tIde for the inevitable rise of reform as people have had enough of the lib-dems/ tories switch in turn to govern here.
@1263All parties have issues, however the secular bigotry within the Liberal democrat party that discriminates against women, the coverage of Islamaphobia and Antisemitism within the Conservative party and Labour cannot be compared to Reform's far right links, neo-fascism, imbedded racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, etc.
Reform, like UKIP before is founded on hatred and discrimination. The other parties may be a long way from their founding ideologies but they did not begin life based on hatred and discrimination.
You choose to turn a blind eye to a far higher number of what you call 'poor qualities' within Reform UK than any Libral Democrat, Labour or Conservative voter turn a blind eye to in their party, where there are compartively fewer.
In any case I do not turn a blind eye. I have been very open and honest about my own party's issues, unlike you when it comes to Reform (a party you claim not to be linked to but which you defend vehemently).
Furthermore I do not see racism or transphobia as a 'poor quality' like you do. I do not consider either a 'quality' at all rather something that is deplorable and to tackle. 'Poor qualities' is an odd choice of words. So you think racism is a 'quality' albeit a poor one, right oh! That says a lot about you and your favoured party.
My assets do relate to property and the Liberal Democrats have so far ensured any new developments are confined to Dawlish itself. And there they can stay as far as I'm concerned.
If you were concerned about policies you'd see that Reform have none that are relevant to the county council election and that it's nothing more than a platform for the 2029 general election and a means to stay relevant via the right wing media. Reform don't care about Dawlish.
Once again you are telling me what i think which again is making assumptions based on what you think. To anawer some of your points reform has to gain councillors and eventualky MPs to make a difference so yes they need a platform to build it locally and eventually nationally. When this happens at national level such issues immigration ,can be addressed as the lib dems have no policies in place for this and continue to ignore it when it is costing 4£BILLION a year and increasing. Scrap net zero - this is costing the taxpayers millions of pounds in their bills while contributing nothing to the reduction of climate change whilst coumtries such as india, china usa pump out vast quantities of carbon gases. Support local fishing and farming. The eu are trying to get a deal whereby spanish fishermen can fish in british waters in exchange for the uk getting involved in a military deal with the EU. The liberal DEMOCRATS dont understand the word democracy as the uk voted to get out of the EU, now they want back in so perhaps they should change there name just to Liberals. Getting out of the ECHR whereby murders rapists and criminals cannot be sent back is another priority for the reform. Again the libs have no plans ideas on how to solve these problems at national level.
On a local level
I cannot quite understand your zeal for sticking up for the lib dems when you denigrate most of their current councillors and MP and as for protecting your assets you should probaby be a tory, glad to see yiur only interested in your assets not the common good. Dont understand what you mean about new developments are confined to dawlish unless you mean the huge rise in housebuilding in dawlish which coincidently gives the lib dems more money from the developers. I am not even going ti comment on the usual political parties name calling other parties about antisemetism .misgony .,etc etc because its just a sign that other political parties are worried about the rise of reform so name calling rather than structured policies will have to cover for having no policies. Just waiting for the usual "your a racist" as you run out of ideas and rehash the same old garbage
For the ordinary unsure voter lets review both parties leafets.
Reform - sets out bullet points of what the want to do,no fancy photos or grey areas and if you have never recieved a leaflet you can go to the co-op on sat and discuss/debate IN PERSON with the cansidate.
Ali pop alludes to mobility issues and that the lib dem candidate wont come out to campaign . Dont know the background there so will never really get clarity on the delibrately vague words "helped" "supported" etc so you will just have to make your own minds up about that.
To the lib dem leaflet -
Here is some photos of me.
Here is some photos of me with martin
Here is some photos of me , martin and ed.
Not enough to make you vote for me ? so lets add a bar chart showing how good we are but ignoring any relevance to a bar chart that would show the astonishng rise in reform membership overtaking tory membership already never mind lib dem members. As an added bonus we have added a form about potholes which you fill in and send back.We know the current goverment wil say they have made millions available for potholes and just bin the forms but the REAL REASON we want you to fill and return these is so that we now have names and addresses of potential lib dem people who might be intrested joining the lib dems. The lib dem membership is moribund and going nowhere and eventually will be as relevant as the greens. As the election date approaches you will hear more from the main media and other parties throwing out the usual phrases to try and smear reform . This only goes to show how worried they are.You can either vote with the party that will only get bigger and bigger or stay with the same old lib dem and tory turnabout about in local goverment. As they same on the game show The choice is yours......
@1263 Again what do you expect from a party political leaflet?
Rosie is hardly going to address her dreadful chairing of the Council meeting and in any case the issue with that is not her pro-trans rights stance, but her censorship of members of the public who wished to speak in a Council meetings on women's rights. That's what's problematic, the fact that she misinterpreted the Equality Act, denying women's rights and ignoring that sex is a protected characteristic, whilst simultaneously attempting to defend trans women's rights as that is also a protected characteristic.
I cannot argue that she isn't hypocritical.
I cannot argue that she is a suitable Chair of any Council, she isn't.
I for one will be glad where her term as Chair of the District Council comes to an end next month.
I'm not going to defend Rosie's action or track record, I don't even like her, she's attention seeking and I'd have much preferred it if Rachel Hardy had stood, but then Rosie is Martin's girl.
And yes Martin does feature heavily on Dawson's leaflet. Who do you think is behind it? Who's the local party leader? Work it out.
I can be as critical as I like of the Liberal Democrats or any other party. I don't pretend to like those I vote for.
Her leaflet is what you'd expect, she's not going to mention the Manor Gardens bridge is she? She's trying to promote herself. Again politics not a truthful or realistic self-appraisal. Why can't you grasp that?
It doesn't matter if you think her petitions like the one for the brook are a waste of time, they serve a purpose - people know who she is which is more than can be said for any of the other candidate.
@1263 So you wasted your time writing yet another rambling critique of Rosie's leaflet, your opinion matters not. Our party can count on enough votes to win elections locally given the low turn-out and with Reform UK now on the ballot paper. The Conservative candidate's vote will be split and the Liberal Democrat's will win the election with ease. it's in the bag.
Our party could field a monkey and we'd still win.
So don't waste your breath trying to discredit Rosie or Martin, we've got this one sewn up and it really doesn't matter that we only represent a fifth of the electorate. It's all about 'Winning Here'.
Your doing a great diservice to monkees.
My opinion does matter , otherwise why are you always trying to respond.
I know they lie, but its nice to put it out there to people to make up there own minds about rosie.
Its just as well people know who she is, as shes not coming out to campaign, relying on the lemmings to vote for her.
I have never wasted my time on this post look at the number of views its had and if some change their allegience after your inept performance trying to justify the non existance of lib dem policies it would be worth it.
Gosh who would have thought martin would have been behind it, probabily pissed off theres more photos of rosie than him on the leaflet.
As you have already said you are only voting lib dem to protect your assets, fair enough , i dont trust them either but your arrogance is breathtaking.
@1263 When did I attempt to justify anything relating to the Liberal Democrat party, whether policies, conduct or otherwise?
I would imagine that Martin would rather not have to step down as County Councillor and cede power to Rosie or anyone else for that matter.
However he'd look foolish remaining on too many Councils as well as being MP wouldn't he?
I can afford to be arrogant, Dawlish is a safe seat for the Liberal Democrats,
Your ignorance is breath-taking. Have you looked up the biological sex of a trans man versus a trans woman yet?
Seems your obsessed with trans, is there something your trying to tell us?
As you say you could not justify lib dem policies because they havent got any.
You dont think he is foolish already only having 3 roles instead of 4.? Perhaps this is his idea of job creation by giving up one role.
My ignorance is " breathtaking " and "wake up and smell the coffee" can you get phrases of your own or are you intellectectuality bankrupt.
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@1263 Very funny. I just find it amusing that you were all the way up there on your high horse telling me to look up the definition of a trans man and referring me to the Supreme Court ruling, when the issue in TDC involving Rosie and women's spaces relating to trans women, not trans men. Not that you'd know the difference.
Am I trying to tell you something? Would you have an issue with me if I were trans? Are you trying to tell us all something?
The Liberal Democrat election pledges or policies are what you'd expect, there's nothing about immigration which must disappoint you. But then you cannot comprehend that a County Council does not determine immigration policy.
You are amusing @1263 Your spelling and grammar are atrocious, you are determined to argue that Reform isn't riddled with racists and you are unwilling to admit when you mistakenly refer to trans man as being biologically male - You're clearly not man enough to admit when you're wrong. And yet you claim that I am intellectually bankrupt. You're a comedy show.
You should definitely vote Reform, the party exists for people like you and I for one think that's a good thing that the minority you belong to has representation.
Of course immigration isnt a devon county policy but as you have rightly said reform has to build a platform of councillors then MPs.The lib dems has no immigration policies at national level nor indeed any type of policies that address current issues at any level.
Yep my spelling is bad but who cares as long as the message gets through.
As previously mentioned here come the inevitable smears about racists etc when people lose an arguement or debate.- so tedious.
I think you will be shocked when you find out the lib dems will be in the minority soon, only holding out in small enclaves like south devon in local elections.
You just cant help yourself can you, back on the topic of trans man
@AliPop
At last year's general election Reform achieved 4.1 million votes while the LDumbs recorded 3.5m votes. Who's in the minority now?
Well according to Alipops logic thats 4.1 million "angry white men, racists, homophobes, Mysognysists" etc etc. Wonder if he will sell his assets and leave the country as the numbers are only going to get bigger.
@burnside I don't doubt those figures. Nor do I ever expect the Liberal Democrats to win a general election. Those figures are irrelevant under the first-past-the-post system. they matter not.
Reform like the Liberal Democrats have no chance of winning a general election.
@1263 Not only is your spelling awful, it's unfortunate that you misspell words when making certain points, such as claiming I am 'intellectectuality' bankrupt.
@1263 to use your own poorly constructed sentence; "Once again you are telling me what i think which again is making assumptions based on what you think."
I never indicated that all 4.1 million Reform voters are angry white men, racists, homophobes, misogynists" etc. I'd put that number around 2.5 to 3 million.
Hardly worth a reply its so infantile.
"Wonder if he will sell his assets and leave the country as the numbers are only going to get bigger."
Why would I have to sell my assets and leave the country just because Reform's numbers are, according to you, going to grow?
What does this say about Reform and potential Reform voters like you?
And should I be fearful of a Reform regime? Would Reform turn on it's own citizens?
Lets take your points one by one -according to "me" reforms numbers will grow. Do you have access to newspapers and tv news channels.or are you just illiterate.,,? What media and news channels report is that reform will soon have the biggest membership. Is that too simplistic for you to understand.?
Shoud i be fearful of reform regime and would it turn on its own citizens? - not sure what you mean are you trying to link some tinpiot african country or even worse nazi germany after elections? You really should wear a hat when you go out in the sun.
Basically you are self centred man? ( apologies if that is not your pronoun as you seem obsessed with trans men) all you care about is "protecting your assets" your not interested in debating lib dem policy and denigrate their councillors.Thankfully there are people willing to try and fix this country rather than just think of themselves.
@1263 I don't doubt that Reform's membership is on the rise. However I don't believe that Reform will ever represent the majority of voters in the UK. Nor do I expect them to gain around a third of votes under the first past the post system which is what a political party seems to require to win a general election.
Let me rephrase my question then;
"Wonder if he will sell his assets and leave the country as the numbers are only going to get bigger."
Why would I have to sell my assets and leave the country just because Reform's numbers are going to grow? What is the relevance of the growth of Reform and my need to sell my assets and leave the country?
What you write most certainly has a far right ring to it and yes, your comment does remind me of the Third Reich.
Why should I, a British citizen have to leave my country? I am a proud Devonian and I can trace my family back many hundreds of years.
I'm not so self-centred that I don't consider that LGBTQ people, women, people from minority ethnicities, etc have human rights. Presumably you'd have no problem with sections of society you dislike, hate or disagree with being sent into exile or worse.
I repeat, @1263 to use your own poorly constructed sentence; "Once again you are telling me what i think which again is making assumptions based on what you think." See below, hypocrite.
"Basically you are self centred man? ( apologies if that is not your pronoun as you seem obsessed with trans men) all you care about is "protecting your assets"
In any case why does it matter one iota whether I am self-centred, a man or someone who uses certain pronouns?
Why does protecting my assets irk you so much?
What does it matter to you whether I am critical of Liberal Democrat Councillors? You are no supporter of Rosie, martin, etc. So what's your problem?
"Thankfully there are people willing to try and fix this country rather than just think of themselves."
Who? You can't seriously be referring to any political party? Reform? Wow, you really are brainwashed by the cult of Billionaire Nigel.
My comment about if reform will come for me? was your comment you alluded to the despicable third reich, do you not make that link of people leaving germany after elections with their assets You are basically a bit thick and nieve if you try to link both to reform.
So your family goes back generations . So your point is ..?
Finally when your stuck for logical responses you bring Farage into the picture ,as i have never once mentioned him in all my posts but when your desperate and have lost the arguement bring out the smears......
@1263 Are you drunk or high on some substance or other?
This is your comment made yesterday at 15:55, plain for all to see. I suggest you own it.
"Wonder if he will sell his assets and leave the country as the numbers are only going to get bigger."
Yes the Nazis were despicable. Here's a link to a news article where a;
A Reform UK candidate has apologised for claiming the country would be "far better" if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality" instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.
Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".
In posts from 2022 on the Unherd magazine website, seen by the BBC, he said Winston Churchill was "abysmal" and praised Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko
You claim I'm a bit thick and 'nieve'?? Again you misspell words, unfortunately when you attempt to appear intellectually superior. It is spelt 'naive' you Thicko. Well done Mr 'Intellectuality' bankrupt!
My family goes back generations, so it's ironic that a Reform cheerleader like you would have no problem seeing British citizens exiled. Most people could've worked that out, given that Reform use the union jack on all their disgusting propaganda. Clearly only Brits who agree with them are tolerated, as demonstrated by your posts on this site. It's all very 1930s Munich.
Why don't you answer the question?
Why would I have to sell my assets and leave the country just because Reform's numbers are going to grow? What is the relevance of the growth of Reform and my need to sell my assets and leave the country?
Take some ownership of what you write, or are you a coward? Explain yourself, how is making such a statement so vastly different from people feeling the need to flee their homeland from persecution? In 1930s Germany, modern day Syria or Palestine or the Ukraine for example.
Lets get to the crux of the matter of why you back the lib dems as they will " protect your assets. Lets try to see what different parties responses are "to your assets."
Financial - eg I have money in bank
Property- I own several properties
Land - I own nunber of acres of land e.g farmer
None of the above are wrong in the sense that many people will own or have one or more of the suggestions.
You do not have to be precise about number/ worth etc but they are the only protection of assets i can think of, add if i have missed any. Pick yours then then we can see what the policies are of the different parties are e.g. Labour Tory Green Lib Dem etc to your assets.
Will you have the courage of your convictions to respond or are you still going to hide behind the bland phrase "protect my assets"
@1263 The crux of the matter? You're a nosey little weasel aren't you? Not to mention pretty haughty for one so low-born.
I am not answerable to you. My finances and assets are none of your business.
"You do not have to be precise about number/ worth etc but they are the only protection of assets i can think of, add if i have missed any."
I do not have to be precise????... about the number/worth, etc??? of what? How much money I have in my accounts? How many properties I own? How many acres I might own?
If you were in a cafe or a pub would you ask someone these questions in person???
Can you function in social situations?
"Will you have the courage of your convictions to respond or are you still going to hide behind the bland phrase "protect my assets"
This might be news for a village idiot like you, but I am not answerable to you, it's not a question of courage of convictions, that's only in your twisted mind.
You need to mind your own business.
Are you going to tell everyone on Dawlish.com how much you earn and how much your home is worth if you even own it? No I doubt it and nor should anyone be asking those questions of anyone on here. You're a disgrace.
And again you're a hypocrite, your only defense is attack because you are too cowardly to take ownership of such a disgusting comment where you'd take glee from seeing someone with different political views to yours having to flee the country. You're as far right as they come but you don't have the courage to admit it.
Yep, thought you would hide behind "protect ny assets" as i did not ask for actual values but tried to understand what category of assets you think the lib dems would "protect against other political parties" its not my fault your too thick to undestand that Do continue your "keyboard warrior" responses whlist hiding behind a bland statement.
Little weasel , pretty haughty for someone low born, Sleriously? Pehaps your "devon born ancestors "would have me in chains and in the stocks
P.S deliberately spelled some words wrong ....like shooting fish in a barrel
@1263 So you're not concerned with protecting your assets at all then? I'd have thought that it was human nature to do so.
You wouldn't have the balls to ask such personal questions in person. Your 'keyboard warrior' comment is hypocritical. you're no real man.
And yes my ancestors probably would have you in chains and in the stocks as you have no respect for your betters.
I, Alipop high king of Devon who can trace their devon ancestors back to cro-magnon times,demand that "low born" 1263 be taken to my nearest castle powderham and be hung drawn and quartered for having the gall of asking me to clarify my bland statement about my "protecting my assets" , notwithstanding bad spelling. How dare these serfs ask for me for clarity and answers and to challenge the lib dem policies of which i cant be bothered to defend. Let that be a lesson to you all that "your betters" know best and just do as your told, cant have any of that democracy s#it and "real men" in my county.
@1263 'Ancestors' as in the past, you're unlikely to be hung drawn and quartered by anyone in 2025. Maybe from 2029 onwards if Nigel and his rabble miraculously win the general election.
You seem to have an issue with wealthy people of a certain class. which is ironic, although that irony will be lost on you.
Yes. Because the last mentioned "wealthy person" was you mentioning "billionaire Farage" Dont use irony when you are guilty of it, it makes you look more stupid.
@1263 It's ironic that you take issue with the wealthy when you have gone to so much trouble to defend a party with a Billionaire as Leader, a party which has only been able to grow so rapidly because of donations from other Billionaires.
Political parties only exist because of the donations from the wealthy and powerful.
Reform's leader may portray himself as a man of the people, drinking pints of ale down the pub, but he is just part of the establishment. It seems that there'll be a Tory/Reform alliance formed before the next General Election in any case. Reform on it's own won't govern the UK.
Is that the best you can do ? Farage and money, pot v kettle anyone.
@1263 What do you mean is that the best I can do? I don't have an issue with Farage's wealth. I'm relatively wealthy myself although I'm no Billionaire.
It's you who seem to take issue with me based on class and wealth.
Do tell us in your own words how the lib dem party will "protect your assets" as against the labour or tory or green or reform party.
@1263 You're not very bright are you? I could tell you to mind your own business but you take F-all notice.
I've already stated that my assets relate to property and also land as do some of my family's business interests. You seem to think protecting these assets relate to policy. The policies that could impact upon my assets negatively are made in Westminster, currently by the Labour government.
At the local level it is how these policies are interpreted and implemented by whichever party is in control, currently that's the Liberal Democrats in the District Council and the Conservatives at County. Although on the County Council committees that matter in this area they are also controlled by the Liberal Democrats. In any case the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives sing off the same hymn sheet here in Teignbridge. I'll vote Blue if the tide turns in the future and I've voted Conservative before. So it's little to do with policies, but rather influence and who you know.
If this is news to you then you really are naive. you're certainly an idealist in believing that any political party works for the majority of the population, 'the many and not the few' as Corbyn would say, the 'common good'. That's laughable!
You have not already told me that your assets relate to property and land please show me where in the thread you said this.?
I dont have any issue with you owning either but my main point was to try and understand why you thought lib dems would be better for you rather than the others. You have now answered that so fair enough thats all you had to say rather than ranting and raving about how much your house was worth. I had no hidden agenda about wealth as i dont own any land or properties but i dont begrudge people who do. Pity it took you so long to get to this point. Hopefully youve calmed down now but do stay in the darkened room till your head gets better and you will be able to come back with more reasoned arguements rather than pitiful personal attacks.
@1263 I have already told you my assets relate to property, land is also property. I referred to the Liberal Democrats ensuring that new developments do not encroach on where I live and own properties, etc.
I don't have to point anything out to you. You're not the boss of me. Look it up on the thread above yourself. Maybe your memory isn't what it was, maybe you're too angry and bitter to take in what I've written.
I've presented reasoned arguments throughout and if you feel offended by anything I have written then you should reflect upon what you've written. You're clearly not interested in discussing local politics, You're just on here to argue for the sake of it probably because you're sad, bored and angry.
Nevertheless in this household we've all had a great laugh at your pathetic attempts at a 'reasoned argument'.
Yes pehaps in your household you did have a laugh but the wider audience on rhis thread had a laugh at your antics. The outcome of your responses will encourage some more voters who were going to vote lib dem to think again, even if its only a few then its worth it . Continue wirh your personal attacks as you have no reasoned responses. The reason you ask me to check threads about property and land you mentioned is because there isnt any so you try to ignore it. Suggest you go for dementia checks asap as you dont know what you are saying or alternatively join rosies mental health group as you have lost the plot.
@1263 Must I remind you that turn-out during local elections is awfully low. It was 38.5% in the 2021 County Council election.
How many people do you seriously think view this site?
The Liberal Democrats only need around 1900 votes to win again, that gave us almost 40% of the vote in 2021.
And this time the Conservatives who in 2021 only had 102 votes less than Martin are likely to see their vote collapse because of Reform.
So go ahead, write what you want about Rosie and the Liberal democrats it matters not, the victory is ours.
And I'm really not interested in your pathetic jibes about darkened rooms or dementia your crass comments about mental health and your transphobia.
You should be aware that mental health is considered a disability. And anyone with a mental health condition would find your comments offensive. You should also be aware than trans people are protected under the Equality act. again they would no doubt find your comments offensive as do I.
I suggest you cease you communication with me, if not I will make a complaint to the site administrator and I would consider it harassment under the Equality Act. You have been warned.
Goodbye.
Somebody can't stand the heat in the kitchen.
@burnside I'm not going to put up with so many discriminatory and offensive comments. People don't have a right to belittle minorities just because they're different from what they consider the norm. Nor do they have the right to poke fun out of people experiencing mental health issues, In fact people who do so are sick themselves. It's disgusting behaviour.
I've suffered from postpartum depression after the birth of one of my children. I have also suffered from chronic depression following the death of my eldest in a motorcycle crash. And I have sought professional help to deal with my depression.
So yes I find such casual mocking of mental health issues and what little provision exists for vulnerable people who are struggling to be crass, low and insulting.
burnside if you like @1263 also find that funny then that says more about you than it does me.
I also identify as LGBTQ and whereas I am not trans I find @1263's mocking of trans people also crass, low and insulting. It's the sort of behaviour I would expect in the School playground decades ago, not from an adult who in a week or so will be casting their vote. I believe women do have a right to their own space's. I am one. However the ruling in the Supreme Court is not an excuse for certain people in society to feel emboldened to mock and attack trans people.
While sorry for your losses you seem to have a very selective memory.
Who mentioned LBBTQ - you did, never mentioned in any of my posts.
Who implied i was racist, mysognistic and homophobic - you did
Who started personal atracks - you did.
So your not going to put up with offensive discriminatory comments but i have to ?
Your threats are meaningless suggest you review you own comments before you play the martyr card
@1263 You're not sorry for my losses. You believe I am playing the martyr card.
I mentioned LGBTQ issues, in particular trans rights and womens changing spaces. You in response made discriminatory comments about Rosie's mental health charity's attendees being entirely made up of trans people, so you clearly imply that all trans people are mentally ill. You mock them. You also ask if my comments on trans people means that I am trying 'to tell you something', when i ask if you'd have a problem if I were trans you go silent. I believe you are anti-trans and I believe you are a transphobe based on comments one would expect to hear from children in a School playground who know no better.
I have referred to Reform UK politicians, activists and voters as being racist, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, islamophobes, etc. this is based on numerous articles in the media with vidoe footage in many cases that even Farage cannot deny or dispute. It is also based on what I've seen and heard locally at stall at last years election and general comments from reform voters or potential voters.
I have questioned whether you are a racist, misogynist, transphobe, etc because you vehmently defend Reform UK, a party you claim not to be affiliated to. And based on that defense I have implied you hold such discriminatary and oppressive views.
I did not call you a racist or a transphobe out of the blue. Had I done that you would most certainly have reason to feel aggrieved. I did not, so you do not.
Those who discriminate and oppress others do not have the right to claim they are being 'attacked' or act like the victim or an oppressed minority when people who challenge their disgusting views fight back. Transphobes and those mocking disability cannot claim sanctuary from the very same Equality Act that they flout when it comes to acceptance and respect of others. It's hypocritical, it reminds me of when Boris Johnson claimed that the Tories should be considered a protected minority when he complain about the criticism they received under his leadership.
I admit I mocked your spelling and grammar and your inability to form a coherent argument or indeed debate. FYI This followed your personal attacks on my level of intelligence. You began the personal attacks. I simply asked what level of education you have. I doubt you even have an A level.
I have also belittled your class and level of education, however I did so in response to your ignorant views which I correlate with a lack of education prevalent with Reform voters (or potential Reform voters) who seem to be drawn from certain demographics. In any case none of the aforementioned are protected characteristics under the Equality Act, legally you cannot claim I have discriminated against you, unless your poor spelling and grammar is because of a learning disability. A learning disability however would not excuse your discriminatory views of trans and people struggling with their mental health.
I admit I do not like racists, transphobes, misogynists, etc and I detest people who attack vulnerable people suffering with depression, anxiety, trauma, etc. So why would I treat you or your ilk with any respect?
It's a shame you simply cannot own your own prejudices toward others, it'd certainly make these discussions more straight forward.
In simple terms it got personal because you started it.
Now is there any sense in continuing this thread? I think not. So by all means vote Reform, every Reform vote in Dawlish is one less for the Tories, all of which helps Rosie.
show me any thread with i say rosies mental health group being full of trans -Prove it. Show me the text
Impying all trans people are mentally ill ,- Prove it show me the text
When asked about trans i go silent to which you reply - then you must be anti trans and transphobic , hows that for logic!!!
All reform supported must be homophobic, racists etc so by definition i must be hows that for logic.!!!
Never mentioned farage in any posts until you did.
Not bothered about attacks on spelling as my fingers to big for phone text.
You seem to be obsessed about trans and after i first raised the ruling and you replied i was wrong and evey other text from you was
about trans .
You use things you have reading in the media. Videos etc sorry to disappoint you but all these things apply to all parties and can be found if you looked hard enough.
You were the one that moved the narrative from lib dem political leaflet to obsession with trans ,( which lib dems were probably grateful for as there lack of policies and campaiging is frankly embarrasing for lib dem voters. ) as you keep saying rosies a shoo in but you do seem to be worried about the result.Showing previous percentage voting numbers, as what counts is the here and now. Same with lib dems stupid bar chart in their leaflet.
Glad you have read the Equality act and understand it does not limit FREE speech which you seem to have some concerns about hence your threats because you dont like other views which makes it laughable that you back the liberal DEMOCRATS? - democracy as long as it suits your view.
I cannot decide if you think i am being insincere about your family losses, that will be up to your call
From your responses as a lib dem supporter your not interested in the greater good of the country more so Nimby ( not in my back yard ) more interested in any possible developmrnt encroaching of your abode. What does that say about your level of class as the peasants get close.
Couldnt care less if you decide to say or leave the forum ,but if you leave can you ask some of your lib dem colleagues to respond to lib dem claims on their leaflet as the silence is quite frankly embarrising.
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See 19th April 12:33
"Suggests a whole new cliental for rosies mind health charity of those men who thought they were women being told nope ....afraid its biological old chap."
This clearly implies that you believe all of those attending Rosie's mental health group are trans women. It also implies that you believe trans women are mentally ill.
22nd April 14:47
"Seems your obsessed with trans, is there something your trying to tell us?"
Am I trying to tell you something?
Would you have an issue with me if I were trans?
Are you trying to tell us all something?
Clearly you were trying to 'other' me.
Clearly you have a 'problem' with anyone either being trans or supporting trans people and trans rights.
You come across as a transphobe.
Are you one?
I pointed out these comments on the thread at the time. You conveniently chose to ignore them. Why you ask me to refer to them again is beyond me. You won't take any ownership of what you write. You never have.
Irrelevant whether you mentioned Farage or not. You defend his party as if you're an activist.
Free speech does not allow you to denigrate others because you disagree with their sex, gender reassignment or lack compassion toward those suffering ill mental health. You do not have the right to discriminate. The Equality Act protects against views like yours, I suggest you look it up.
I don't deny my NIMBYism, nor do I deny my class. My views are lawful, whether you like them or not. I know I come across as arrogant. I don't care.
I don't have any Liberal Democrat colleagues, do you think I'm a Councillor?
I would argue that @Alipop is a classist, snob which is pretty typical of Liberal Democrat and Conservative voters and also some older Reform voters who'd normally vote Conservative.
I'd also argue that @1263 does come across as transphobic and his comments about mental health are deplorable and uncaring, I would also argue that he is Islamophobic. His views are typical of Reform voters and of the right wing of the Conservative party who might consider voting for Reform.
The difference, as far as I see it, is that Alipop admits that she is an arrogant classist snob, whereas @1263 is in denial about his own prejudice toward several minority groups.
@Alipop is also surprisingly open when it comes to the many failings within her own party the Liberal Democrats although for the life of me I have no idea why she would vote for them or promote them so adamantly. The Conservatives aren't going to allow any new housing in more affluent areas either. At least Conservative voters know to keep their mouths shut in maintaining the facade of democracy.
@1263 Whether he admits to being a Reform activist/supporter or not is clearly pro-Reform and is absolutely unwilling to even acknowledge the many issues within the Reform party relating to racism, transphobia, misogyny, homophobia and so on. He is however very willing to defend the party from any criticism whatsoever and will stoop to some very petty tactics to do so.
@Alipop is absolutely misguided in promoting Rosie Dawson, and although I am not against trans rights at all, Dawson's chairing of Teignbridge District Council demonstrates that she is as authoritarian as anyone in the Reform party.
Dawlish Against Censorship
@ Dawlish against censorship.
"I would argue that 1263 is islamphobic" ???? Not even mentioned islam so credibilty of dawlish against censorship is completely flawed right from the start. ......Who cares what you would argue, youve been watching too many tv court programmes.
When in doubt play the "phobic" card. Pathetic.
@1263 I recall you being alarmed when you thought Alipop was an Islamic name. a foreigner, an immigrant. It's how you come across, sorry. Then there was the reference to Sharia law, it's typical anti-immigrant, Islamaphobic rhetoric and fear-mongering found on the radical right.
"Alarmed " ?? Explain, did i put up shutters on my house, lock my doors and windows, buy a gun for protection.
Ali is a name given to millions of people who are not islamists ,so in fact its you whose jumping on the islamaphobic bandwagon, which yoy then extend it ro encompass a foreigner then immigrant neither of which words have been used. Dont be sorry just be accurate and dont jump to conclusions or try to extend meanings that are not there. As regards Sharia law i asked for an opinion and alipop gave it so i find it ironic that Dawlish against Censorship does not like a question to be asked which seems to be in fact censorship by dawlish against censorship.
P.s i never reply to anyone whose handle contains the word Adolf as they could be nazis even through there are many adolfs in germany........
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Guilty as charged - I have not tried to hide from the the fact that I am an arrogant, classist, snob - an elitist bitch.
Also I'd have thought anyone reading this would welcome openness and transparency when it comes to politics.
I'm loyal to the Liberal Democrat party as long as it suits me. And the party is far greater than the likes of Rosie and Martin who are but useful pawns at this moment in time. It matters not how illiberal and undemocratic they are. I am not far from having to shuffle off this mortal coil so why should I waste my time with such pretension as parading around as a 'democrat'. I'm not standing for office and Rosie will win regardless of what I write. I may as well have my fun.
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