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General Discussion

Lynne
Lynne
17 Feb 2022 15:10

Documents related to this Application are available here.

You can comment on this application using this form.

Reference:
22/00148/MAJ
Address:
Gatehouse Farm, Secmaton Lane, Dawlish, Devon, EX7 0LW
Parish:
Dawlish
Ward:
Dawlish North East
Proposal:
Approval of details for initial infrastructure phase including the main access road to the residential, self-build, mixed use and extra care parcels and the relevant sustainable urban drainage pond and localised landscaping
Type:
Major Application

 

Lynne
Lynne
20 Feb 2022 07:16

To see what is being proposed, and why, see the letter from the Applicant/Agent concerning this planning app.

To do this click on "Documents related to this application are available here" (see above post). Then click on "letter from Applicant/Agent" placed on the planning portal Weds. Feb. 16th. 

 

For more detailed information about the total development (houses/care home/self build sites etc) click on the link I give below. If you scroll down to the top of page 3 you can see the site location boundary.

 

5 Apr 2016 — DAWLISH - 15/02468/MAJ - Gatehouse Farm,. Secmaton Lane - Outline - Residential development providing up to 409 residential units, community.

 

Lynne
Lynne
04 Mar 2022 14:35

This planning application is on the agenda at the forthcoming Dawlish Town Council planning committee meeting due to be held on Thursday 10th March.

Lynne
Lynne
11 Mar 2022 18:19

and this is what Dawlish Town Council's planning committee recommends:

 

Decision:

22/00148/MAJ - Gatehouse Farm, Secmaton Lane, Dawlish

Resolved that this Council recommends No Objection to this application subject to the following:

·         This Council raised great concerns about access for construction traffic. This Council required:

o   there be a suitable construction management plan requiring access from the North-East, across the new bridge, as soon as it is feasible.

o   construction traffic must adhere to the existing Construction Management plan, especially in regard to schools and weekends.

o   no access to the site should be created across Langdon Road.

o   hedge rows and trees along Langdon Road must be preserved with a suitable protection in perpetuity.

·         This Council advised, given issues we’ve had in this area around drainage and sewerage, this needs to be thought through carefully.  Members wished to be assured that the whole network for drainage, foul and surface, be suitable and robust for the entire development and referring to the South West Water Strategic Plan.

 

Additionally, this Council resolved to request:

·         Due to the size of the plan and the many details and concerns involved, that this application goes to committee. Members wished to have sight of the construction management plan before the application is agreed.

 

Minutes:

22/00148/MAJ - Gatehouse Farm, Secmaton Lane, Dawlish

 

Resolved that this Council recommends No Objection to this application subject to the following:

·         This Council raised great concerns about access for construction traffic. This Council required:

o   there be a suitable construction management plan requiring access from the North-East, across the new bridge, as soon as it is feasible.

o   construction traffic must adhere to the existing Construction Management plan, especially in regard to schools and weekends.

o   no access to the site should be created across Langdon Road.

o   hedge rows and trees along Langdon Road must be preserved with a suitable protection in perpetuity.

o   soul access to the site for construction traffic be through the Link Road only.

·         This Council advised, given issues we’ve had in this area around drainage and sewerage, this needs to be thought through carefully.  Members wished to be assured that the whole network for drainage, foul and surface, be suitable and robust for the entire development and referring to the South West Water Strategic Plan.

 

Additionally, this Council resolved to request:

·         Due to the size of the plan and the many details and concerns involved, that this application goes to committee. Members wished to have sight of the construction management plan before the application is agreed.

 

 

Lynne
Lynne
17 Mar 2022 17:53

The request by Dawlish Town Council for this planning application to be decided by Teignbridge District Council Planning Committee (rather than a TDC Planning Officer) has been refused.

Anyone fancy laying a bet as to what the TDC Planning Officer will decide?

Cassandra
Cassandra
17 Mar 2022 18:35

It's a foregone conclusion frown

3 Agrees
Lynne
Lynne
25 Mar 2022 12:51

email to DTC planning committee from TDC planning department.

 

Request to go to Committee:

·         Reference:      22/00148/MAJ

Location:       DAWLISH – Gatehouse Farm, Secmaton Lane

Proposal:       Approval of details for initial infrastructure phase including the main access road to the residential, self-build, mixed use and extra care parcels and the relevant sustainable urban drainage pond and localised landscaping.

 

Please see below email.

 

" Good afternoon

 

We have received your request on behalf of Dawlish Town Council to consider this application at Planning Committee.  The constitution states that a parish can request that an application be considered at committee but only if there is a valid planning reason.

 

As you do not have a planning reason for your request we are unable to agree to it and the application will continue to be considered under delegated powers.

 

Kind regards

 

Monika Szegedi
Planning Support Officer – Development Management"


Email: planning@teignbridge.gov.uk

www.teignbridge.g

Lynne
Lynne
02 Apr 2022 06:23

and this is Dawlish Town Council's Planning Committee's response;

 

Minutes:

This Council notes the Correspondence.

 

Resolved that this Council requests that Application Reference: 22/00148/MAJ Location: DAWLISH – Gatehouse Farm, Secmaton Lane be called-in to the Teignbridge Planning Committee for determination. This request is on the grounds of concerns along the South West Water Strategic Plan. This Council has concerns for flooding of both foul and surface water across the site and the subsequent effect on the whole network.

 

Lynne
Lynne
06 May 2022 13:33

Extract of a letter published in the local paper earlier this year concerning this planning application and the development of Gatehouse Farm in the event that the bridge over Shutterton Brook and road across Secmaton Farm do not get built in time or, heaven forbid, never at all! 

 

"Please read this all those who live in the Elm Grove area of Dawlish and also those whose children attend Dawlish college.
 
It seems that you and your children will be subject, yet again, to the trundling back and forth of construction traffic as it goes to and from Gatehouse Farm which, in the not too distant future, will become one huge building site. 
 
A planning application has recently been submitted seeking approval to start the development of Gatehouse Farm. This site has planning permission for over 400 new homes, plus a care home and various community facilities. How many years will it take for that lot to get built?
 
In the absence of the link road connecting the Gatehouse Farm area with the Sainsbury’s roundabout on the A379, all construction traffic will need to use Elm Grove Road/Elm Grove Drive/Sandy Lane. These are residential areas which also happen to have schools and recreational areas located along them. 
 
One would have hoped that the link road would be in place by now. But it isn’t.  So the question is, why isn’t it?
 
The location of the link road is such that it will traverse Gatehouse Farm, Secmaton Farm, and the land that Persimmon is presently developing.  As and when each of those three sites is developed the builders have to construct their bit of the link road.
 
Persimmon will thus build their bit and the Gatehouse developer’s their bit. But unless Secmaton Farm gets planning permission to be developed (and as I write this I believe it has no permission of any kind), then there will be no link road, will there? Both bits of the link road from Gatehouse Farm and from the Persimmon development will thus merely lead to either side of the undeveloped Secmaton Farm.
 
I know there is presently a planning application going through the system for a bridge to be built from the Persimmon site across Shutterton Brook to Secmaton Farm but unless the road can then continue across Secmaton Farm the only place the bridge will lead to is farmland!
 
 
I am also aware that a planning application for the development of Secmaton Farm is presently being considered but the Environment Agency (amongst others) have raised myriad objections with regard to what is being proposed and there is no guarantee that the planning application will be given the go ahead.  
 
Until all this gets sorted out those living in and using the Elm Grove area will not only be subject to the noise, dirt and danger of the Gatehouse Farm construction traffic but they will also have more and more residential traffic with which to contend, for as the new homes are built on the Gatehouse site so they will generate more private cars, delivery vans and service vehicles.  In the absence of the link road this will mean more and more vehicles using Elm Grove Road/Elm Grove Drive/Sandy Lane. " 
 
 
 

 

Lynne
Lynne
18 May 2022 10:57

South West Water  have no objections to the planning application.

Notices now on site stating that Taylor Wimpey and Bloor Homes have acquired the land. 

Lynne
Lynne
23 May 2022 06:16

Seems it's not only Dawlish that has a new road/new housing development problem. Have just read an article concerning Cullompton. Very similar issue there as here in Dawlish with the Gatehouse/Secmaton/Persimmon housing development and the Gatehouse Farm/Sainsbury Roundabout link road.

 

Here's an extract from the article. As you can see, as with Dawlish, the site is divided into three parts- each being built at a separate time by a separate developer. As with Dawlish, the middle bit being developed is crucial for the road to be completed. The Dawlish developers have to build their bit of the road on their respective sites once they have 50 houses occupied before they can build any more homes. In Cullompton it is 150. 

 

"But of course, there are three developers involved. You've got the north, the middle, and the south developments, who have all got that same condition that they must build so many houses before opening the road. We could have the crazy situation where the south could do 150 and have the road ready to open, and the north development could do the same. We could see that the middle, for whatever reason, might decide to stop at 149 or may be delayed. Then you will have two parts of the road that don't join in the middle, which is absolute nonsense."   

 

from: https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/fears-new-homes-devastate-devon-7100473

1 Agree
Cassandra
Cassandra
23 May 2022 16:25

This might be naive of me, but couldn't the local council tell all the developers concerned that unless they get their act together so that the road is joined up satisfactorily, they will not adopt the road or take on any responsibility for the maintenance thereof?

1 Agree
Lynne
Lynne
25 Jun 2022 06:21

This planning application is on the agenda again at the upcoming Dawlish Town Council planning committee meeting. It is on the agenda again because the town council has received this letter from Teignbridge District Council' s planning department. 

 

 From: Anna Holloway Sent: 15 June 2022 14:22 To: TownClerk Subject: 22/00148/MAJ Gatehouse Farm

Dear Mr McKenzie

I write with regards to the above planning application and in particular the Town Council’s request for the application to go before Teignbridge Planning Committee.

As a reserved matters application planning permission has already been granted for the proposed development and therefore it is not possible to revisit matters of principle or the number of dwellings at this stage or to add additional requirements that do not relate to the reserved matters. I understand that the request for the application to go before the Planning Committee is on the grounds of concerns regarding the South West Water Strategic Plan and concerns for flooding of both foul and surface water across the site and the subsequent effect on the whole network. Please note that SWW has provided a consultation response to the application and has no objection. SWW confirms that it is able to provide foul sewerage services from the existing public foul or combined sewer in the vicinity of the site. Devon County Council, as the Lead Local Flood Authority, currently has an objection to the application which is expected to be resolved by the submission of additional information. In light of the above I would ask that the request for the application to go before the Planning Committee be withdrawn subject to the objection from Devon County Council as LLFA being addressed prior to the granting of any reserved matters approval. If the Town Council would still wish to call in the application to the Planning Committee I would ask that further detail is provided with specific reference to the details submitted under this reserved matters application; i.e. details of the access, appearance, landscaping, layout and scale for the initial infrastructure phase including the main access road, relevant sustainable urban drainage pond and localised landscaping. Please let me know if you have any questions regarding the above and I look forward to hearing from you on this matter.

Kind regards

Anna Anna Holloway BSc(Hons) MSc MRTPI Senior Planning Officer Development Management (Major Projects) Tel: 01626 215715 Email: planning@teignbridge.gov.uk www.teignbridge.gov.uk 

Lynne
Lynne
05 Jul 2022 13:39

Resolved that the item be deferred to the next meeting of the Planning Committee to enable further information being received, due shortly. 

Lynne
Lynne
16 Jul 2022 10:03

A letter from the developer's agent concerning this planning application is an agenda item at the upcoming meeting (Thursday 21st July) of Dawlish Town Council's planning committee.   

Lynne
Lynne
23 Jul 2022 06:25

Decision:

In light of the concerns the Committee has with applications 22/01067/MAJ and 22/01042/MAJ, particularly the link road alignment, it was resolved that this Council continues to request that should the Planning Officer be minded to approve the application, the Town Council Planning Committee requests that the application is called-in to the Teignbridge Planning Committee for determination.

 

1 Agree
Lynne
Lynne
08 Oct 2022 10:10

There are diggers presently doing work of some kind on the Gatehouse development site

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