General Discussion
(Tuesday 27th July) we are hoping to be back open, thank for your patience and support at this trying time ,
I wonder if someone testing positive with a pcr/lateral flow test test took 3 tests at the same time would all the results be positive!
The pcr test is run at 45 cycles by the nhs, documentd fact by freedom of infomation...look it up for yourself. This is well outside the parameters for the specifications of any result that can be accepted.
Lateral flow tests results can be as high as 50 percent false positives if performed outside a lab.
Pcr tests run at 35 to 45 cycles can actually give a false positive even if the sample does not contain coronavirus RNA.
Considering the impact on a business would it not be astute to have an emplyee do three tests and go with the best case result. " 2 pos and 1 neg off work, 1 pos and 2 neg continue working.
If Doris can just u turn and state certain key workers can just ignore the test results then that just makes a mockery of the entire testing regime.
How many of the public used Gays and as far as the track and trace app decided came into contact with these workers?
As usual when you combine the government and nhs with i.t. you geta monumental waste of money and end up everytime with not a three legged donkey, but one with no legs at all.
Bloody holiday makers 18 months we have gone with very little if any of this covid shit, and now the holiday parks have been allowed to open we are going to be riddled with it. hope Torbay and Exeter hospitals are ready for it
The holiday makers are here because the government is allowing them to be here.
That is Johnson's policy just as it is the Johnson covid variant that is spreading with ease right now.
The blame lies ( appropriate word that - lies) at the door of 10 Downing Street.
People are allowed to travel after 16 months of restrictions, we don't live in North Korea, although it feels like it at times.
No-one is disagreeing that we have had months of restrictions and that people are now being allowed to travel.
It is the very fact that they can, and are, travelling , that is causing disquiet.
Lockdown again in how many weeks?
Why shouldn't people travel to the south west - or anywhere else - for a holiday, not everyone is fortunate enough to live in a nice place like Dawlish. And if there is another lockdown it will either mean billions have been spent on vaccines that don't work, or this is not just about a virus.
@burnside
Your right on both counts the vaccines dont work simply because people have been miss-led into believing they are now immune from catching or passing on the virus by a corrupt government controlled media, and yes the money spend on the vaccines and the ppe has been wasted.
Also it never has been just about a virus the virus itself is nothing more than a flu derivative that just seems to spread quicker. The real reason the country is now in debt to the tune of over £400 billion is an attempt by a group of hidden nazis to create global financial re-alignment.
Think about it, if covid was such a killer disease then the African countries who have been pleading poverty and have been sponging off the western charities for generations would be waist deep in dead bodies by now. Has anyone seen any evidence of this happening
I'm not sure that I have read anywhere that the vaccine is seen as a cure all. It has been made clear that having the vaccine will not necessarily stop people getting the virus. The vaccine will, however, stop people getting as ill as they might have done if they had not been vacccinated. And if vaccinated people can still get the virus then they can pass it on to others.
But if more and more people get it and have to isolate because of that then there will be no need for an offical lockdown as we will have an effective shut down anyway.
And the more the virus is spread the greater the chance that it will mutate - again. And with mutation comes the risk that it will mutate into a form that is vaccine resistant.
Did I say people shouldn't be allowed to travel? I don't think so. What I was doing was pointing out that what is liberation for some is causing great consternation for others. I for one will avoid crowded indoor places, will continue to wear a facemask when in shops etc and will continue to use hand sanitiser. That is my decision. Just as it was to get vaccinated. If others choose to do otherwise that is entirely up to them and we know that to be the official line as Johnson has now offloaded all responsibility onto individuals and individual organisations. If this all goes pear shaped he can say it was all the great British public's fault for not using their great British common sense. Just like the common sense he used back in Feb/March 2020 going around mask less, shaking hands and meeting lots of people and then ending up in ICU because he'd contracted Covid. Remember that?
'Freedom' day (freedom to go out and catch the virus?) was last Monday. Let's see what the infection numbers are like in two to three weeks time.
Info here about Africa https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-54418613
Some reasons for difference in death rates between Europe and Africa is that Africa has a much younger population, many there have a rural lifestyle and they don't travel around as much as those living elsewhere in the world.
What I do remember is that between March and June last year masks were not required and most people did not wear them in shops or on transport, yet by June cases and deaths had flatlined without a vaccine even in sight. At that point masks were inexplicably mandated, but they did nothing to prevent cases rising in the autumn and winter, which indicates masks are useless and covid is yet another seasonal respitory tract illness (winter Sydney has just gone into lockdown again).
As a virus mutates it may become more transmissable but it also becomes less virulent till it mutates into insignificance, that what viruses do. The virus that caused the 1918 pandemic is still in circulation today but nobody ever gets ill from it now. We cannot continually close down the country and the economy for what is a mild illnesses for the vast majority.
"It now seems that protective measures such as masking and distancing leading to lower exposure (getting a lower infectious dose) correlates with risk of death.
So if you’re exposed to less virus the course of the infection is less severe. This has been long-suspected but the data is now supporting that.
The decreases we’re seeing in morbidity and mortality are in part due to a very steep learning curve in treating cases but it’s more that in many places the virus ripped through the most vulnerable very quickly with disastrous consequences.
Now it’s spreading amongst groups better able to deal with it, plus it’s very likely that distancing and masking mean – to those that do catch it - exposure to lower amounts of virus are leading to a less serious disease progression. "
https://www.firstoption.group/what-s-new/news-posts/covid-19---mutation--virulence-and-immunity
For the time being I shall continue to mask up and keep my distance.
How do you explain covid almost being eliminated last June with minimal mask use and no vaccine? I have never been able to receive an answer to this elephant in the room.
Masks were still mandated this time last year. Only selfish people didn't wear them then. And, erm, now.
Johnson's idiocy, and peoples selfishness, caused the subsequent rise in infections that resulted in tens of thousand more people dying unnecessarily.
The mask mandate came into force in England on 24th July 2020, until then few people wore them in shops or on transport, at that point last year covid cases had dropped to record low levels. The mask mandate made no sense, and mask wearing didn't stop covid returning in the autumn and winter months. Sheeple can continue to wear masks if they want, and the rest of us will enjoy the fresh air.
Fresh air is great.
Virus ridden air ain't.
Wearing a mask in crowded places and keeping your distance is not being sheeple.
It's being sensible.
It's funny that all you covidiots objecting to wearing masks, WHY it is such a chore to do so?
If you went for a job where you were asked to wear hi viz jacket, hard hat, hair net, steel toe cap boots, etc etc, whould you refuse then?
Ok, a face mask is oh so heavy and it could cause neck/spinal damage through the extra weight you are carrying around.
EDIT. It just goes to show how irresponsible, disrespectful and SELFISH the covidiots are in their actions!
- all at gays creamery
It's just three weeks to flatten the curve'
'It's just a little longer to protect the NHS'
'It's just until we have a vaccine'
'It's a lockdown to save Christmas'
'It's just until the vulnerable are vaccinated'
'It's just until everyone is vaccinated'
'It's just a vaccine passport'
And today:
'It's just an app to monitor your lifestyle'
See where this is going?
@ Burnside
You are a covidiot, and as I described above, being in the group of the Irresponsible, disrespectful and SELFISH people on this planet.
WHAT exactly is your problem with NOT accepting this pandemic and NOT wanting to wear a mask and AGAINST vaccination, and against people who DO abide and still wear masks? Is it too difficult for you to actually put one on and can't manage to work it out how to?
Don't tell me, you are one of these idiots that believe the vaccination transmits personal information to the government.
As for what you write, I have NEVER read so much rubbish in all my life.
I suppose you get all your (mis)information from Fakebook, or you are only 12 Y/O!
As for the App monitoring your lifestyle, why do you use a computer?
Do you have a bank debit card that you use to pay for goods in store or online?
Do you use Amazon, or worse, Google, as all those mentioned know more about you and your lifestyle than a NHS App. DF!!!!
I haven't posted on this site for a long, long time and to be honest you can see why. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, over this century a lot of diseases have been eradicated from vaccines, this covid is no different. There will always be people that will believe in conspiracies which is their right if they wish to. People that have a belief in conspiracies is pure fiction, in this case with covid, this is a fact that it will kill those that are anti-vaxxers this is their choice. In conclusion, I can recommend good funeral directors in Dawlish. I wish the NHS would allow anti-vaxxers a free tour of a covid ward with no masks on, I wonder how many would take up the offer. Sorry to go on.
I’m more concerned about all the other illnesses that have been ignored since last year, when the NHS became the National Covid Service. Let’s have a trip around the empty cancer wards shall we?
Victims of the Covid dementia disaster: How 50,000 cases were missed in lockdown as audit reveals 330,000 fewer hospital admissions for cancer, heart attacks, stroke, diabetes and mental illness since March 2020.
CDC issue ALERT on PCR test...July 26 2021
E.U.A is being withdrawn over concerns over accuracy or the lack of it. This includes US labs, but also the UK Lighthouse labs that were rushed out in 2020.
Read it for yourself.
https://www.totalhealth.co.uk/blog/cdc-issue-lab-alert-pcr-tests
Have a look at the BBC docu on going undercover at you know who covid testing lab, here is a snippit from youtube
Yes, agreed, lots of other illnesses needing hospitilsation have been put to one side during this pandemic. But if you are ill enough to be in hospital then I'd guess that your immune system may not be working properly and thus you would be even more susceptible to catching, and dying from, COVID.
So the best way to get other illnesses sorted out? Get the Covid hospitilisation figures down. And how to do that? Well, howsabout getting vaccinated and continuing to wear masks in crowded places and keeping a distance from others not in your household.
@Lynne , really. This covid virus is where on the table of most deaths by in the UK at the moment!
Coronavirus (covid 19) was the 26th leading cause of death in June 2021 in England (accounting for 0.9 percent of all deaths registered in June (and we all know how dodgey these died with covid deaths are).
In wales covid 19 accounted for 0.1 percent of all deaths so the numbers were to small to reliably rank against other leading causes of death.
It's time to go back to what we used to call normal and protect the vulnerable and do a top down draining of the swamp we know as the NHS.
Source for above:-
Are you really saying that sick people were better off suffering and possibly dying at home than risk being admitted to hospital for treatment? In any event they had little choice because the NHS abandoned them, or in some cases even told them to seek private treatment.
@Deedoodle @Burneside
Suggest you ask Boris.
I was, and am not, the ultimate decision maker.
I am only trying to figure out the logic (assuming of course that there was/is some). But it does seem from news reports from around the world that COVID infected patients were/are given priority in terms of hospital treatment.
Ps Get vaccinated, keep wearing the masks and keeping your distance.