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Lynne
Lynne
15 Jun 2020 16:33

Formation of six dwellings, garages and associated works - Site of Shell Cove House 19 Old Teignmouth Road Dawlish Devon EX7 0NJ - https://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/planning/forms/planning-application-details/?Type=Application&Refval=20/00805/FUL&MN=Y

Lynne
Lynne
19 Jun 2020 17:55

Dawlish Town Council planning committee @18.6.20

PARISH: DAWLISH WARD: Dawlish South West APPLICATION REF: 20/00805/FUL LOCATION: Site of Shell Cove House 19 Old Teignmouth Road Dawlish Devon EX7 0NJ PROPOSAL: Formation of six dwellings, garages and associated works Comment: RESOLVED unanimously by Members present and voting that this Council recommends REFUSAL of this application due to the following: • The design is not in keeping with the area • Overdevelopment and unsympathetic materials • The lack of a current geological survey • No input from Network Rail – members would like to see consultation feedback • Concerns regarding the proximity to the cliff edge • Lack of detail regarding surface water drainage Further RESOLVED unanimously if the planning officer is minded to approve the application Dawlish Town Council Planning Committee would wish to call the application in to Teignbridge Planning Committee. 

Lynne
Lynne
10 Aug 2020 10:56

There is a thread now running on Eyes of Dawlish concerning Shell Cove beach.  If you can access the thread have a read. Seems there is now a dispute brewing over whether or not Shell Cove beach is privately owned like the footpath access to it across Shell Cove House grounds.

 

If you click on this linkhttps://search.savills.com/property-detail/29379fe8-6f6e-4316-8000-911ef55a6eec you will see that the estate agents refer to a private beach. Is it? If you open that link and then scroll down you will see the various planning applications that have previously been submitted to develop the site.   

 

   

Lynne
Lynne
12 Aug 2020 06:36

Have you seen what the developer is wishing to build?! OMG! It looks like a prison block.! No wonder the town council said "the design is not in keeping with the area and the materials are unsympathetic".   

 

I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but there is no beauty in what is being proposed in this particular person's eye.

 

If you want to see what I am talking about then do this.

1. Click on the link that I've given in my first post above. 

2.Then click on "Documents related to this application are available here".

3. You will then see on the top left hand side a list of 4x3d images of the proposed building. Look to the right and click on "new document" to see what the actual images look like.   

Carer
Carer
12 Aug 2020 07:27

@Lynne.

They are so ugly. I wouldn't want to live in one of those.

1 Agree
Lynne
Lynne
12 Aug 2020 12:12

Check out this link https://www.bradleys-estate-agents.co.uk/properties/13103288/sales

 

Would this be the same site? Think so. It hasn't got planning permission yet!

And Bradleys seem to think the site's in Teignmouth.

Doh!  

 

Also, as I type this (cos of course it might get altered) the developer, Poppy Developments, are advertising the plot as having a private beach. https://poppydevelopments.co.uk/home/news/page/2/  

Lynne
Lynne
13 Aug 2020 11:23

Just checked. Wording now says 'private access to a secluded sandy beach".

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
13 Aug 2020 23:50

But the footpath through that land has been Closed for a long time and it begs the question why? Did the town council agree to the closure of the footpath? Were the necessary notices advertised? I don't ever remember seeing notice of closure to the footpath. 

Lynne
Lynne
14 Aug 2020 05:07

From what I can gather it seems the footpath was never a public one. It was, and is, a private footpath on private land.

What is being disputed is the ownership of Shell Cove. Is it privately owned or not?

 

This came to a head last weekend when someone from the town accessed the beach via a boat and was told by someone there that the beach was a private one and that they were not allowed to be there. This person then posted that experience on Eyes of Dawlish and that's when the whole thing then kicked off. 

 

Someone else then acquired information concerning land ownership re the beach. It seems that from low tide to high tide water mark it is Crown land and not privately owned. So the public can use it although difficult to reach except by boat.

 

That's how I understand the situation to be - we'll see what happens when that gets checked out.

 

Incidentally, there was talk on the EoD thread of being able to access Shell Cove via a tunnel. "A tunnel?!" thought I "Not the railway tunnel surely?!".

 

Locals will know more...

 

Interesting read here http://jsbookreader.blogspot.com/2015/01/shell-cove-development.html

 

FredBassett
FredBassett
14 Aug 2020 11:15

When I worked for Hiremasters we used to deal with Network Rail, and the access to the beach via the shell cove house site we understood was controlled by the said Network rail. Not once did anyone on the House site question our parking of delivery lorries in the grounds or the Network Rail staff that used to come and collect the equipment from us via the wooden walk way.

leatash
leatash
15 Aug 2020 14:22

Years ago folk used to fish there at night and access was via the railway tunnel, and there was a time when you could pay to use the footpath to access the cove.

ZIGGY
ZIGGY
15 Aug 2020 18:16

The good old days.

Lynne
Lynne
16 Aug 2020 05:19

Just come across this http://www.camlins.com/projects/shell-cove-dawlish/ which concerns a previous proposed development on the site.

If you read the blurb, yet again there is reference to a private beach.

 

From research done by others who have posted their findings on Eyes of Dawlish it seems that there is a private footpath leading to the beach across Shell Cove House grounds that goes under the railway line to the beach. The area around the railway line is owned by Network Rail. There then seems to an ambiguity concerning ownership of the top part of the beach but the area between mean high tide and mean low tide is Crown owned and a public area. 

 

click on this link to view Crown owned coastal property in Dawlish area https://crownestate.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Viewer/index.html?appid=0aac22685d2f4d78a2a3b0a5aa1660db (type in Shell Cove, Dawlish Beach, Devon, England and press the search button)  

 

Lynne
Lynne
15 Sep 2020 08:31

Happened to walk along Old Teignmouth Road the other day. Lots of, what looks like, excavation work being carried out on this site.

Planning permission yet to be granted. 

Dawlish Town Council have requested that this planning application be decided by TDC planning committee members rather than planning officers. 

Lynne
Lynne
28 Oct 2020 08:46

This property was put on Bradley's estate agent website two days ago.  It is described as being in Teignmouth.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/new-homes-for-sale/property-86141209.html

Really? 

Take a look for yourselves. If it is sited where I think it is then not only is it in Dawlish but planning permission for it (and others) to be built is yet to be granted.  

and here are some more links advertising those houses that have yet to receive planning permission to be built.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/new-homes-for-sale/property-95968028.html

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/new-homes-for-sale/property-86141212.html

 

 

Lynne
Lynne
27 Nov 2020 17:11

This is on the agenda at the next Dawlish Town Council's planning committee meeting being held next week (3rd December).

 

Application Details '20/02145/MAJ'

 

Documents related to this Application are available here.

You can comment on this application using this form.

Reference:
20/02145/MAJ
Address:
Site Of Shell Cove House , 19 Old Teignmouth Road, Dawlish, Devon, EX7 0NJ
Parish:
Dawlish
Ward:
Dawlish South West
Proposal:
Variation of condition 2 on planning permission 16/00300/MAJ (Demolition of the existing house and cottages and redevelopment to provide 11 cottages and 17 apartments for later living, with a separate summerhouse building, integrated landscaping, access and parking and associated services) to amend design of inland cottages
Type:
Major Application
Decision:
 
Decision Level:
Delegated Decision
Case officer:
Artur Gugula
Date received:
17/11/2020
Date validated:
17/11/2020

  

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