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Lynne
Lynne
30 Apr 2020 10:14
leatash
leatash
30 Apr 2020 14:37

But is it not true that goverment only supply the money the NHS have there own procurement process and 82% of nursing homes are private with paying clients i dont see BUPA screaming for PPE. Now dont take me wrong we are in unprecedented times and Nursing Homes the NHS should have all the PPE they require but is it this goverments fault or NHS managers who are buying from the Far East to save money. Then you could say it's goverments fault for not funding the NHS properly and forcing them to buy cheaper in China, India etc i think its far more complicated than we imagine and lets be honest every health service in the world is desperate for PPE and there is only so much to go round.

HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
30 Apr 2020 23:32
Lynne
Lynne
01 May 2020 05:55

Ah yes,  and that would be from the right wing, uber Conservative Party supporting, Guido Fawkes website, would it not? 

 

Interesting read here about Care Homes https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-care-homes-deaths-matt-hancock-boris-johnson-a9489786.html 

HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
01 May 2020 20:48

...but admitted (finally!) by the left wing, uber Labour Party supporting, BBC, was it not?

Thought we were talking about PPE?

Why the sudden switch to Care Homes?

 

Lynne
Lynne
02 May 2020 05:26

Because PPE (or the lack of it) is an issue in care homes.

When the Labour Party was in power (as well as even more recently) the BBC was oft times accused of being right wing and Conservative supporting.

 

 

Web results

27 Mar 2020 - lack of access to personal protective equipment (PPE) and staff testing in care homes poses a major risk of covid-19 being spread, sector ...
by G Iacobucci - ‎2020
6 Apr 2020 - Peter Kyle, the MP for Hove – which has about 30 care homes - said facilities were effectively being “converted into hospices” because of a lack ...
16 Apr 2020 - Social care chiefs issued a damning warning to the Government over the supply of personal protective equipment to care home staff as the ...
8 Apr 2020 - care home owner has warned of mass deaths of residents from coronavirus due to a lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) and funding ...
24 Apr 2020 - Firstly, there is a lack of testing available for care home residents and ... in personal protective equipment (PPE) supplies to the social care ...
1 Apr 2020 - The RCN is demanding that nursing professionals in care homes, hospices and other community settings receive the personal protective ...
16 Apr 2020 - Social care bosses slam 'shambolic' government handling of PPE for care sector - as Matt Hancock insists only 15% of homes have outbreaks ... but his comments were criticised amid rising anger over a lack of PPE for staff.
End VAT for PPE to help combat 'national emergency' in care homes, says ... you are about the lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) available to you.
14 Apr 2020 - "We don't want care workers going into care homes today without the right PPE." "The reason (frontline staff) haven't got (PPE) is we had such a ...
14 Apr 2020 - Around 400,000 older people currently live in UK care homes, and up ... and a lack of personal protective equipment, including masks, gowns, ...
 
 
 
 

 

 

    

   

leatash
leatash
02 May 2020 06:41

Goverment dont run care homes most are privatley run so do the owners of these establishments not have a duty of care towards there staff should they not have seen this coming and made preperations.

Lynne
Lynne
02 May 2020 07:35

Good point.  As you say many care homes now are privately run, profit making exercises. How many hundreds of pounds do they charge each week for each resident? How much do they pay their care workers?

 

From what I can gather the government (the taxpayer) is now supplying, or saying it is supplying, PPE to all care homes (ie both council and privately run).  If the priority at the moment is to get the PPE out to where it is needed then I agree with that. Of course I do. But that raises questions like:

1. Why is the taxpayer having to bail out private enterprise? As you say, surely the privately run establishments should have made their own preparations in anticipation of the pandemic.

2. Will the taxpayer get the money back from these private establishments when this crisis is over?

3. Is enough PPE and the right amount of PPE getting out to all care homes?

 

There are probably many other questions that could be asked. The above are along the lines of questions I have seen raised in the MSM.

    

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leatash
leatash
02 May 2020 09:09

I failed to say first and foremost do the owners of these Nursing Homes not have a duty of care to there residents to keep them safe and out of harms way.

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leatash
leatash
02 May 2020 09:13
HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
02 May 2020 11:13

Care Homes and Social Care Companies are not being 'given' PPE.

All the Government are doing is sourcing it for them - the companies still have to pay for it.

There is something called the National Disruption Centre which distributes the kit but if a business falls outside of that help then they must source PPE from whereever they can and at whatever cost.

e.g. Mediworld in London are charging £106.50 for a £12.50 box of masks!

 

Lynne
Lynne
02 May 2020 14:35

Thank you for that clarification.

The word profiteering comes to mind. Is the government doing anything about that? Or are they taking a "laissez faire/let the market decide/demand is outstripping supply therefore prices will rise" approach?  

Do all care/nursing homes now come under the NDC? Or are there exceptions?      

HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
02 May 2020 17:59

No idea - I don't know very much about Care Homes.

 

Lynne
Lynne
03 May 2020 06:18

My error -  I was using the expression 'care home' sloppily such that I was using it in a generic sense to cover not only care and nursing homes but also sheltered, supported living, and retirement homes and such like.     

HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
03 May 2020 15:18

As far as I'm aware, within the 'accommodation' sector, ONLY care homes, nursing homes and social care (care in your own home) companies come under the NDC umbrella.

flo
flo
03 May 2020 18:28

Governments don't run businesses either but they're still classifying people as key workers and providing tests - our company has been involved.

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