General Discussion
Traitors Letwin and Cooper.
Again MPs try to stop Brexit, for some reason they want us to stay in the German controlled EU.
The MPs that voted for this disgrace not only are they against the people but they are selling out our country.
Shame on all of you.
BBC documentary about the EU, 'Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0c1rjj7/episodes/player
Watch this, to see for yourself that the EU is controlled by Germany.
MPs should remember they are elected into parliament and can be turfed out just as easily. Cooper is in a rather precarious position, with her constituency voting 70% to leave the EU, she seems to have forgotten that her husband was famously booted out of office as a result of the 2015 election. An awful lot of MPs from both parties will not be seeing the inside of Westminster again after the public have had their say at the next election.
Will Anne Marie -Morris be one of those that will not see the inside of Westminster again. I hope so, but I don't have a say in it.
Our MP has consistently defended democracy by supporting the leave result, for that we should aplaude her.
However sod the Tory party and the other anti democratic parties.
UKIP or Brexit Party are the only way forward.
@Paul Our MP has consistently defended democracy by supporting the leave result, for that we should aplaude her.
Well I have heard her quite alot recently and she does not give me that impression. Why doesn't she vote to leave on the deal that T May has given parliament instead of rabbiting on about what is wrong with the deal.
Only a mentalist would vote for her deal.
The backstop is awful, it means we never really leave. May's deal is not Brexit at all.
Our problem currently is that we have a British Prime Minister who is on everyone's side except ours.
We should leave the German controlled EU on Friday.
Lets get out and deal with whatever comes along afterwards. All of those politicians who are argueing over what the deal that has presented, should be thinking the same. Those that are argueing on what is in the deal should remember that there was a majority to leave. All this bollocks about having another referendum, we should stay in the union, we should leave on anything other than what they want,we should be caring for the many and not the few, are just wasting time.
Well I agree we should just leave. But May's deal is so bad we can't go for it.
The backstop says that if the border solution between Northern Ireland and Ireland isn't working the UK has to rejoin the EU 'temporarily' to prevent a hard border.
Which means we couldn't really do deals with other countries around the world since the deals would be meaningless and any deal could be broken.
Knowing how anti British the EU is they would pull us in to stop us doing better than the EU in deals.
Really can't accept May's ridiculous deal. Plus, do we really owe £39Billion? I think not.
We must leave properly asap.
@Paul We must leave properly asap. Agreed, but by the EU having control over the hard border is a no, no. The only way that I see, out of this problem, is for Ireland to come out aswell. And who knows what the Irish PM has been saying to others in the EU?
Now Anne Marie Morris has hinted she will vote for a Brexit party if we are forced to take part in the EU elections. The Tory party really is falling apart at the seams.
https://www.westmonster.com/tory-mp-suggests-she-could-vote-for-farages-brexit-party/
We should leave with no deal and have no border in Ireland. The UK is ok with that, as is the WTO, only the EU want a border.
The EU have affectively been threating us with problems associated with an Irish border, which shows the EU's true colours.
What do we get from May's deal?
The backstop, the £39B bill.
Leaving with no deal is the BEST deal. Let's get the hell OUT!
The backstop is to ensure there is no need for a hard border. Ireland still wants to be in the EU as they see the benefits. You can't just say "We should leave with no deal and have no border in Ireland" it is so much more complex than that. As is leaving with no deal.
It was ridiculous in 2016 to give the people a referendum on this and it's proven over and over that still to be true.
The EU referendum was the only just thing to do. We all hate the EU and have done for decades.
The UK is still a democracy. It was a non-legally binding referendum that the current government promised to adhere to the result. We get to vote them out in the next general election. If it wasn't a democracy you wouldn't be getting that chance.
Oh yeah, good point, come general election time we'll hopefully get rid of the lot. Looking forward to that.
Currently we are stuck with a dictator, who keeps saying we are leaving but then goes begging to the Germans and French to allow us to stay in.
May has let us all down by her actions and made the country look pathetic.
We can agree that the Government has let us down and most MPs are just in it for their own interests and not representing the people as they claim to be.
ARGUMENTS BREXITERS NO LONGER MAKE:
£350m a week for NHS
Turkey about to join EU
Parliamentary sovereignty (MPs = traitors obvs)
Boost for economy
Global, prosperous Britain (now not likely for 50 years at least)
ONLY ARGUMENT THEY STILL MAKE:
Will of the people 3 years ago
Leaving the EU will save us Billions a year.
Don't care about Turkey or the EU.
No one other than ourselves should have sovereignty over us. Why would we submit to being in the German controlled EU?
Britain is a great nation, we will do great once we don't have the EU holding us back.
Schneider is a Remoaning bore, I would suggest he sticks to comedy but he's not very good at that either.
@S you/Schneider left out
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The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.
- Michael Gove (9 April 2016)
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There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
- Boris Johnson (26 June 2016)
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Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation.
- John Redwood (17 July 2016)
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To me, Brexit is easy.
- Nigel Farage (20 September 2016)
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The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.
- Liam Fox (20 July 2017)
and then of course there was this (from March 2017)
David Davis has backpedalled on his claim that a Brexit deal can deliver the “exact same benefits” as EU membership, now admitting it was little more than an ambition.
Gammons like Paul and Burnside just don't care about the lies told by Brixiters and the reality of the benifits of co-operation. It's like talking to flat-earthers! Might as well find a nice thick wall and continously bang your head against it 
Brexit has been betrayed because we have had a Remain Prime Minister and a Remain parliament doing their utmost to ensure it failed.
Surprisingly, the DM has run an article today highlighting the hypocrisy of MPs who professed support for the referendum result but then did their damndest to overturn it.
The EU has gone way beyond cooperation. They interfere with internal affairs of countries. No need for any of that.
If the EU was so great we would want to stay in. However we want out and voted out and that is why we are leaving.
Trust was given to the British people and we made the correct decision.
Scapegoat when did they not tell lies they all do it at every election they lie through there teeth and anyone who believes a word they say needs to take a reality check.
President Trump threatens EU over Brexit treatment of UK: 'Let people breathe before it all comes back to bite you'.
Thank you President Trump.
The United States helps us fight European tyranny again.
I would imagine the mutton is the expert with anything to do with brexit, she is spending too much time in front of the cameras and not enough time looking after her constituants interest. Shame on her!!!!!
The great thing about the internet is that you can read a wide range of publications, and mostly for free. I even read the Guardian and Indy, just to keep an eye on what the enemy is up to.
@burneside that made me laugh "keep an eye on what the enemy is up to" I picture Alf Garnett saying whatever you write lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlLfpANFf7k
EUTONIUM, Science has long been aware that the Universe is missing observable matter and to make up this shortfall, created a theory in which the missing matter is present but cannot be detected, they called the missing matter 'Dark Matter'. It is now known that a percentage of Dark Matter is made up of something called EUTONIUM. Eutonium is similar to Governmentium, but larger by many magnitudes. At present there is only one Eutonium in existence.Eutonium exists in a bubble environment, surrounded by a multitude of Governmentiums: Eutonium needs these Governmentiums in order to exist as on its own, Eutonium is highly unstable and could implode. There is a symbiotic relationship in which the Governmentiums provide the Eutonium with the means to survive and in return the Eutonium provides back to the various Governmentiums. However how this works is a mystery as many Governmentiums receive back more than they put in whilst others get nothing back at all.It is also known that the total input is not equal to the total output, so Eutonium is inherently unstable. There is one theory that suggests there is a Black Hole at the heart of Eutonium into which things 'disappear'. Eutonium was originally quite small but has been growing and expanding for nearly 70 years but like the Universe, it will one day collapse in on itself.At its core, Eutonium is in a unique environment called Brusselezium, and within Brussselezium it is surrounded by a mass of strange particles: these have exotic names like 'backhanders', 'favours'. 'nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more' and their companion 'Mum's the Word'. The force that holds much of this together is called 'Dodgy Deals' and and is backed up by 'The Brits will Pay'. A stream of particles called MEPS provide a lattice work that holds Brusselezium together.Finally, it has been noted that every now and then sections of the the Governmentiums migrate to Eutonium and are absorbed into Brusselezium: after a while they reemerge and return to their respective Governmentiums. No one knows what the purpose of this is, as the state of Eutonium remains unaltered
burnside here am i at this early hours wide awake with severe heartburn and the above has made my day very clever i will smile all day many thanks more to come i hope.
Wish I could claim credit for that witty piece, Leatash, but it was sent to me by a friend. Whoever wrote it also described the theory surrounding Governmentium:
University researchers have discovered the densest element yet known to science.
The new element, Governmentium (symbol=Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.
These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called pillocks.
Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete.
Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2 to 6 years.
It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganisation in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganisation will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.
This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration.
This hypothetical quantity is referred to as a critical morass.
When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium (symbol=Ad), an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium, since it has half as many pillocks but twice as many morons.
I see theen Queen has asked 007 for help and he is seen as saying " All of parliament Ma'am". To which she replied. Yes 007, the bloody lot".
Burnside, I really don't think Gammon is racist but I would be happy stop using that term if the webmaster thought it was racist. I'm sure I can find many other words to describe the idiocy and blatant Xenophobism of some Brexiters 
Everybody is jumping on the band wagon. Shortly, you will not be able to utter a word as it will be classed as something.
How many of you read the article where a nurse at the RD&E hospital addressed someone as sir. It turned out he is classing him/herself as TRANSGENDER, And complained bitterly to management. The Americans armed forces will only accept the gender you were born with and not the gender you want to be.
@majorp there is a difference between gender and sex. A transgender person doesn't just decide they are a different gender suddenly. It is a struggle for years, hopefully with counselling if needed.
People accept people being born with a genetic condition without question but someone born knowing they are a different gender than what was assigned during fetal development that is hard for people to understand. What is the difference?
When a person is born with the chromosomes of a male or female then that is what they are. No amount of surgery or hormones will change that fact.
@burneside can you send me a link to your published study, of your years of research, in a scientific journal? I'd be interested in how you are right and hundreds of other studies are wrong.
"Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex. Most women are 46XX and most men are 46XY. Research suggests, however, that in a few births per thousand some individuals will be born with a single sex chromosome (45X or 45Y) (sex monosomies) and some with three or more sex chromosomes (47XXX, 47XYY or 47XXY, etc.) (sex polysomies). In addition, some males are born 46XX due to the translocation of a tiny section of the sex determining region of the Y chromosome. Similarly some females are also born 46XY due to mutations in the Y chromosome. Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex."
https://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html
Does this mean males born with 46XX chromosomes are not male and those females with 46XY are not female? Ignoring the other variations..
Simples, if somebody is born with XY chromosomes they are male, and if they have XX chromosomes they are female.
From the link you posted:
Gender, typically described in terms of masculinity and femininity, is a social construction that varies across different cultures and over time.
Give me strength.
The point is why did the transgender person not just inform the nurse in question instead of making a song and dance about it, again this sort of behaviour breeds resentment towards the LGBTQ community.
"The point is why did the transgender person not just inform the nurse in question instead of making a song and dance about it" you mean they should keep quiet? Resentment because they mention who they are? So they can be who they are as long as they hide it?
Comments like LGBTTTQQIAA makes it clear we need more education.
Everybody stop where you are and think about those that are on the fiddle by declaring "I am a transgender". Males can go into the ladies and females can go into the mens. I have also heard from a reliable source, that NHS RD&E are struggling. They do not want males on female wards, and niether do they want females on male wards. I would say this, look at their birth certificate and if it say's born a male, then it doesn't matter what a trans thinks, he is a male and the same applies the otherway round. The only person that would be offended would be the person that decided, "I am not what I am. People that are visually impaired where a badge declairing what they are, why don't trans people do the same and then everybody would know what they want to be.
S How would the nurse know the person was transgender she was being polite by saying sir, it's impossible to know is it not. I didn't mean they should keep quiet but should have made it clear to the nurse they were transgender but no they had to go to management and stir the proverbial s**t. And why do we need more education is LGBTTTQQIAA not correct but of course its hard to know as it seems to change from day to day or should we just use LGBT .
@S Transgender is real whether you believe it or not. A lot of people believe in faries, but I don't know which ones. How are you going to show me that trans are real, what evidence do you have?
LGBT or LGBT or LGBTQIA all acceptable
"How would the nurse know the person was transgender she was being polite by saying sir" agreed. You know people can be assholes even if transgender. That person, if it happened as described, was being an asshole.
I know two trans, one in Exeter and one here in Dawlish. Both in my opinion have mental health problems and should be treated as such. Other people with mental health problems get good treatment.
@majorp a transperson having mental health problems is just as likely as a cisgender individual. That doesn't mean they correlate. Although a transperson may be more susceptible to having mental health issues due to societal pressures and constant discrimination for being who they are.
I am ot biased, it is you that is taking that role. Is there an age limit to becoming a trans? If not, as from today I am changing my gender and becoming a female. I would like to be known as Clemantine and adressed as Ms. I am going to Matalan to get fitted out with female attire and then dress in that attire and walk down the Strand just to see what reactions I get. And then tomorrow I will return to my real gender. That's how easy it is, and I am not insane, I will be playing the game.
The hypocrisy is utterly breathtaking and nauseating, no wonder our political system is broken. Don't vote Labour or Conservative ever again, not even in the council elections next month, teach the scumbags a lesson.