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b.o.liking
b.o.liking
11 Mar 2019 13:53

As the parliamentarians are not willing to carry out the will of the people through the democratic vote,

then here is  another way  not as yet  suggested, and that being as Cromwell did the Disolving And closing this  institution

called Parliament. After all if those members want to be ruled by the E.U. Then there is no reason to having a Governing body in  London.

P.S would  they mind not using the title M.P's use to each other as Honourable This and that.because as it stands that, is one title some of them are not worthy of using.

 

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leatash
leatash
12 Mar 2019 07:51
Paul
Paul
12 Mar 2019 10:32

Tony Blair, what a little weasel.

He was on the Andrew Marr show recently, as usual going on about how great he is.

Wake up call Tony, no one likes you.

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ER113
ER113
12 Mar 2019 14:24

Interesting comments in the paper today by a certain Kevin Rudd.: yes, he who was the PM of Australia from 2007-2010 and again in 2013. What did he have to say about Brexit?

 

Writing about the idea that Australia, New Zealand and India have been 'advanced by the Brexiteers ..as the magical alternatives to Britain's current trade and investment relationship with the EU. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory....Its utter bollocks.'

On India: A substantive India-UK Free Trade Area is the ultimate mirage constructed by Brexiteers. Its as credible as the ad plastered on the side of that big red bus about the £350 million Britain was allegedly paying to Brussels each week. Not.'

On the USA: 'If No 10 still thinks its 'special relationship' with the White House will uniquely be capable of battering down the doors of the newly protectionist America, then good luck with that one..'

On the old empire:: the claim that 'it is just champig at the bit for Britain to cut itself loose from all those continentals in Europe. That too is bollocks.'

All of this strikes me as a fairly daming view about our prospects in the future. Whether or not we were once a great and proud nation has got litttle to do with, not only our present situation, but also the future. 

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burneside
burneside
12 Mar 2019 17:19

A failed Australian politician interviewed for The Guardian.  Enough said.

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ER113
ER113
12 Mar 2019 17:44

The concept of failure is fascinating. One wonders what is meant? How was he a failure?

He won the 2007 election by a landslide: he adopted the Kyoto protocols; he provided apologies to teh stoilen generations of children removed from their homes by earlier governments; helped Australia avoid the worst of the 2008 worldwide financial collapse; began the roll out of the national broadband network amongst other things.

In other words, if these things are failures....

Of course he, like so many other politicians lose at some point but he seems to have done this with some grace and not petulance.

It is easy to dismiss his views in this sort of way: he's Australian (isn't that racist?) and its the Guardian? However, your comments offer nothing in teh way of a detailed critique but relay, as so many, on comments that add nothing to this debate.

Maybe you might like to address the poiunts he made?

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burneside
burneside
12 Mar 2019 17:56

I suggest you read his Wiki entry, he suffered plenty of failures and humiliations.

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Scapegoat
Scapegoat
12 Mar 2019 18:16

OMG You Brexiteers laugh If you are so sure it's the "will of the people" why are you so scared of a peoples vote on the final deal? Surely you'll triumph again or maybe you think Brexit may no longer be "the will of the people"? 

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ER113
ER113
12 Mar 2019 20:18

Burnside needs to understand the political process. You win some, you lose some; its the nature of debate and reaching decisions.

However, I note that once again, maybe its always, he fails to provide any substance or evidence for his claims. Its just a throw away line of invective with no substance.

Maybe you need to read something. SInce you mention Wiki maybe you would see that he was a great champion of environmental matters with particlar reference to climate change and the Kyoto Protocols. It seems to me that even when in opposition, he maintained a principled approach to politics.

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burneside
burneside
13 Mar 2019 10:18

I was listening to that bellend Michael Heseltine on the radio this morning, apparently us plebs are way too thick to understand Brexit, only MPs are bright enough for that and to decide our future.  His contempt for the voting public was astonishing.  I was only surprised he didn't advocate abolishing elections completely to be rid of the annoying electorate.

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leatash
leatash
13 Mar 2019 11:25

What political process, how is it possible that 360 MP,s know better than 17,000,000 voters.

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Paul
Paul
13 Mar 2019 17:09

Here we go.

 

We are about to find out which MPs are with the people they serve.

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majorp
majorp
13 Mar 2019 18:34

They will do anything to remain on the gravey train.

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majorp
majorp
14 Mar 2019 08:53

Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man...No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings.

burneside
burneside
14 Mar 2019 17:34

Sarah Wollaston's proposal to have a second referendum was massively defeated in Parliament this afternoon, 334-85.  Perhaps the voters of Totnes should have a "People's Vote" on whether she should remain their MP, as she no longer represents the party for which she was elected.

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Scapegoat
Scapegoat
17 Mar 2019 21:10

Project fear? Project reality!! sad

https://youtu.be/AjrnbSUAhwM

 

leatash
leatash
18 Mar 2019 08:21
majorp
majorp
18 Mar 2019 10:02

I see we produce a lot of pulses, currants and gooseberries.

leatash
leatash
18 Mar 2019 11:33

The point is that the largest producers of fruit and veg are outside of the EU and as tariffs on goods from outside the EU are being cut to zero maybe things will be cheaper, i doubt that will be the case but one can always hope. 

majorp
majorp
18 Mar 2019 13:02

Busineses will jump on the band wagon. I remember when decimalization started. I said to a baker the day before it started, " how will the change affect you", he said, " well today I have got to make 240 penny buns to make a £, and tomorrow I will only have to make 100 to make the same £". To me that said it all.

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majorp
majorp
21 Mar 2019 08:56

EU REFERENDUM RESULTS 2016

BY VOTES

17.4m leave 16.1m remain

BY CONSTITUANT 

406 leave 242 remain

CONSTITUANT BY PARTY

Lab 148 leave 84 remain

Con 247 leave 80 remain

BY REGION

9 leave 3 remain

BY MP

160 leave 486 remain

Brexit isn't the problem. It's our MP's who are the problem.

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S
S
21 Mar 2019 09:27

We don't know the votes by parliamentary constituency or ward as in majority cases it wasn't recorded. Votes were counted by area so not sure where that figure comes from. I haven't checked your other stats apart from the top one of course.

 

Lynne
Lynne
21 Mar 2019 09:38

@S - I just copied those stats that Majorp posted and then did a search. Came up with this link http://www.ihysdb.com/Article/Comments/47627744/27?orderBy=0&descending=0

but just as with Majorp's post above there is no reference as to where the stats have come from   

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S
S
21 Mar 2019 09:42

This says we don't know those figures so they are either made up or guesstimates

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/parliament-and-elections/elections-elections/brexit-votes-by-constituency/

 

Lynne
Lynne
21 Mar 2019 09:45

Here's a link with some more stats! The government website apparently crashed because of the numbers this very morning registering their wish that Article 50 should be revoked.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petition-revoke-article-50-theresa-may-deal-extension-a8832851.html  ;

Lynne
Lynne
21 Mar 2019 09:49

So.........when the government website is up and running again and if you want Article 50 to be revoked here is the link https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584 

S
S
21 Mar 2019 10:13

Back up. It is estimated there are 300 signatures a second.

S
S
21 Mar 2019 10:14

At nearly 700,000 now

burneside
burneside
21 Mar 2019 10:31

Let me know when the number surpasses 17,410,742.

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Lynne
Lynne
21 Mar 2019 10:56

Take Back Control! - revoke Article 50.

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majorp
majorp
21 Mar 2019 11:14

I see that many have been hitting this topic with doubt, that is their choice.

They are so rapped up in brexit, that no one seems to care a toss about terrorism or global warming and what we are going to do about it. Sad really! The world might rumble on, but the again it might not.

We might fall off a cliff over brexit, then again we might not.

burneside
burneside
21 Mar 2019 11:35

The petition doing the rounds is being signed by people from all over the world, you only need to enter a fake UK postcode to sign it.  Observation from Twitter this morning:

The 'Revoke Article 50' petition Remainers are all getting excited about is being signed by people everywhere from Russia & Saudi Arabia to Papua New Guinea & North Korea... I thought they were meant to be against foreign interference in our democracy?

There's even 220 signatures from tiny Luxembourg, Jean-Claude Juncker must have had a busy night

2 people have managed to sign the petition from Western Sahara, which isn't even technically a country. One of the Vatican City's 594 citizens also appears to have signed, the Pope trying to revoke Article 50 too?

https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status/1108682038184419328

 

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majorp
majorp
21 Mar 2019 11:57

What are the flaws within the deal that May has negotiated. I hear there are many flaws but what are they?

S
S
21 Mar 2019 12:02

As an IT consultant for over 20 years I can tell you that IP addresses aren't a 100% reliable indication of location due to software that hides a user's real location, ISPs IP allocation, proxies, VPNs etc. I would expect out of a million people a few hundred or more of the IPs would show the wrong country.

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Paul
Paul
21 Mar 2019 12:56

Major flaw to May's deal is the Northern Ireland backstop.

If at anytime the border system (whatever it is) between Northern Ireland and Ireland is deemed not to be working then we have to rejoin customs union and the single market.

With this ludicrous plan in place we can never do deals with the rest of the world. No other country can deal with us knowing that any deal can be broken. The whole idea is completely nuts. That is why MPs rejected it.

The UK doesn't need a border nor does the World Trade Organisation (WTO). It is the EU that wants a border, not the UK.

Thereas May is a remainer, she doesn't want to leave the EU.

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burneside
burneside
21 Mar 2019 12:57

Your explanation doesn't wash with me, this petition is being hjacked wholesale.

https://order-order.com/2019/03/21/foreign-actors-hijack-article-50-petition-fake-signatures/

 

 

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S
S
21 Mar 2019 13:17

Not listening to experts ... where have I heard that before lol

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Lynne
Lynne
21 Mar 2019 15:30

Over a million signatures as I type this and I know for a fact that there could be more as I know people who have tried to register their names but who have been told to wait. 

Talking of petitions. I see there was one earlier on this year advocating a No Deal Brexit. It garnered just over 370,000 supporters. I wonder if there was any foreign interference in that?

Putin must be rubbing his hands in glee as this mess just gets messier and messier.

But nuffin' to do with Theresa May you understand.    

burneside
burneside
21 Mar 2019 15:42

Internet petitions are worthless, the only vote that matters is the one done at the ballot box.  Everybody from around the world can sign the current petition as many times as they like, it means absolutely nothing.

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S
S
21 Mar 2019 15:50

Over 1,010,000 are from the UK if you are believing the location data. You can read the data in JSON format on the site.

burneside
burneside
21 Mar 2019 15:53

An online petition does not overrule the referendum result. Is that so hard to understand?

S
S
21 Mar 2019 16:16

Does not overrule a non-legally binding referendum right? I don't think anyone signing the petition thinks that but it should be debated and considered a real option.

So the 2016 non-legally binding referendum overrules the 1975 non-legally binding referendum right?

majorp
majorp
21 Mar 2019 17:27

Business are worried now, they want THE deal to go through. They say through their spokeswoman, "There are many benefits in the deal negotiated by Teresa May and all MP's should accept it". So MP's are having pressure put on them (which I always believed they would) by businesses.

I think this will go right to the wire

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
21 Mar 2019 18:36

The petition on getting rid of the licence fee with over 100k was discussed in the clown room and after a while they just decided it was good value for money. Maybe if I was on an MPs salary I would not give a shit either. These internet petitions are just another tool used to make the sheeple think that we live in a democracy, I think not.

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