Dawlish Discussion

Being generally cynical when it comes to politicians. I have been able to read between the lines of what most of them utter and what they actually mean, if anything.

In my opinion those in power at the time of the 2016 referendum took a gamble believing that it would be a land slide to stay in. 

Since the result to LEAVE the government machine has done everything it can to derail BREXIT.

The REMOANERS have continued to moan on and on. How would they have reacted if the result had been to stay and the LEAVERS had acted like spoilt children? I am sure the government would have ignored them.

Over the past 2 years since the result the British government has been led by the nose by the eu stoogees. Recently we have had mp's leave their parties, but not call for a by election.. I wonder why?

This government, in my opinion, has been a disgrace and a world wide embarrassment to the people of this once mighty and pride country.

At the last general election the conservative party won with 13,636,684 and Labour came in second place with 12,878,460. The LEAVE voters for BREXIT won with 17,410,742.

As far as I am concerned the only thing of importance to a politician at the time of a general election is VOTES and with the actions of the last 2 years they have done everything they can to dump on the electorate and DEMOCRACY.

The next general election should be interesting to watch.

After the 1975 referendum Leavers were told to suck it up and ignored for decades.  It was UKIP sweeping the board at the 2014 EU elections that scared the crap out of the Tories which then resulted in the 2016 ref.  The genie is well and truly out of the bottle, if we are sold down the river with Brexit, Leavers will not sit idly by and accept that.  Pollitics in this country has been changed forever.

I think the Coservatives,  and other parties Swung into the spoiling tactic once  the Brexit referendum  result was known

Firstly they they did not expect or accept  the result that they got beside which, Teresa May policy was both eratic and

frustrating in equal measure. The leaving of 2 Brexit minister David Davies and Dominic Rabb was odd at crucial times.Follow this with 

May's  Appointment of an unelected Pro  E.U civil servant in Ollie Robins.Who suddenly appeared into the Chequers meeting

clutching a new version of leave policy nobody knew about or had seen or discussed. 

Now vanished from the script is a No  deal is better than a bad deal,We leave 29th march Now an extension of ! month 2 or 3

or even years. Might be daft I maintain the Anti Brexit movement swung into action as soon as the vote was counted.

Trust in May or Corbin and most M.P's NEVER.

Thank God this substandard bunch of so called leaders were not around as a  wartime government.  

The stalemate is Not the fault of the 17.4 Million who voted to leave   the E.U.  But the deadlock could be broken if the  Parliamentarians

stopped giving us thier version of Brexit and enacted our instruction.SIMPLES.

When will the childish namecalling stop? Calling people that oppose you Remoaners is not clever or funny but very childish and acts against anything you want to say because only your own echo chamber will bother to read past that. So how about stopping with the name calling?

I usually get called a Brexshitter or Russian bot by Remoaners on social media, tit for tat, sweetheart.

Webmaster - can you adjudicate please.

Do words such as Remoaner and Brexshitter constitute name calling or not? I ask as I was under the impression that there is a no name calling policy on this website.

Thanks

Lynne 

I heard both of those words on TV last night.

@Lynne, I don't know. The no name-calling policy was meant for direct name-calling, like 'you moron' or 'you idiot'. The terms Remoaner and Brexshitter are not nice terms, but seem to have been adopted by the mainstream.

Remember, freedom of speech, or the protection of free speech, is the freedom to offend, because you don't need to protect people from being nice to each other. But the freedom is meant to protect peoples' views and beliefs, such as Leave or Remain, not necessarily to protect someone's right to call someone else a moron (if it offends them, although it does that also). Brexshitter and Remoaner are expressions of free speech since they succinctly summarise the disdain and offence each side feels about the other. Do they fit into the same category as calling someone 'a moron' directly? I don't know, but probably not.

But, if members on this forum want to discuss Brexit without offending each other unnecessarily, which will probably just stop people posting, then maybe we can agree not to use the terms Remoaner and Brexshitter? Perhaps we can use the terms Remainer and Brexiteer instead?

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/03/02/wea-re-ready-to-give-guarantees-that-backstop-should-be-tempora

Barnier's "assurances" count for nothing, we would still be tied to the EU until it allowed us to leave.  It's rather like the victors in a war dictating terms to the losing side.  It would be a complete national humiliation.  In 2016 we voted to leave the EU, not to ask the EU for permission to leave.  If only we had politicians with backbone who truly wanted us to get out of the EU.  If May's treachery goes through there will be a bloodbath at the ballot box.