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Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
29 Dec 2018 15:15

Teresa May bribes Tory MPs with Christmas Honours ahead of the Brexit Vote ://www.newstatesman.com/.../theresa-may-bribes-tory-mps.... The article states 'It’s worth noting, of course, that dispensing baubles hasn’t convinced other Brexiteers to recant: former minister John Hayes accepted a knighthood before coming out against the withdrawal agreement, while the elevation of the DUP’s Brexit spokesperson Sammy Wilson to the Privy Council earlier this year has achieved less than nothing.' Well done both of you for keeping up the fight and proving you cannot be bought off.

leatash
leatash
29 Dec 2018 16:25

Roll on 11pm on the 29th March 2019.

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majorp
majorp
29 Dec 2018 16:46

@leatash

I'll second that.

 

 

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Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
29 Dec 2018 21:07

On the leave means leave Facebook site If there are any Brexiteers who have no access to Facebook or Twitter here is an important update on a petition lodged with Parliament.   

Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019.

It has now reached 284,621, anyone you know who has not signed it they need to do so now before the MPs return to vote on Teresa Mays deal.
 

  petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

burneside
burneside
29 Dec 2018 22:43

Treason May really is getting desperate ahead of next month's vote.  I can't see that most ardent Brexiteer, John Redwood, being swayed to change his stance because of his knighthood.  

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wondering
wondering
30 Dec 2018 17:51

Leave and not give them a penny more......let them come crawling to us!

Surely we can make our own laws!

So many countires want to get out of EU.

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Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
31 Dec 2018 18:08

Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019.

It has now reached 286,765, anyone you know who has not signed it they need to do so now before the MPs return to vote on Teresa Mays deal.  The constituancy map is going darker as numbers rise, Newton Abbot is only a few votes off of joining West Devon, Torbay with the rest of Devon almost there too.  Please vote and get us past the 300k mark.
 

  petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

Calamari
Calamari
31 Dec 2018 19:42

@wondering

"let them come crawling to us!"

Oh yeah?

If that's the case, then why are they making it so difficult?

What exactly have we got to offer them against them offering us?

leatash
leatash
31 Dec 2018 20:04

Why are they making it so difficult maybe they dont want us to leave remember all the money we pay in now has to be found from other EU members and maybe there tax paying public wont want to have to fork out extra money from there monthly salaries.

Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
31 Dec 2018 21:13

The EU cannot control us if we are outside of the EU.  Germany lost 2 world wars, but have positioned themselves with France to take over the EU and the proposed EU army.  Merkel is bold enough to say EU countries are struggling to rule themselves, so it would be better if Germany and France give them a hand.  Once we hand over control to the EU and are at their mercy their army based in each country will at Germany's direction crack down on the British people when we dare to object to their rules to make us even more subservient.  People warned about Germany's aspiration in the 1930s and look where that ended.  We are the lucky ones because we did not join the Euro, I pity the other countries who are even more entwined than we are and are suffering greatly from the rules being forced upon them.  Leave has to mean leave and not May's deal

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Lostit
Lostit
05 Jan 2019 14:01

In the constituency of Newton Abbot the number of people registering in favour of this petition stands at 637 or 0.72% of the eligible constituents.

 

Bit of an embarrassing shambles real don't you think. 

For Leavers the concept of TMs deal is nothing more than moving the chairs on the Titanic and as such only an exit with no agreement is acceptable. The Irish boarder backstop won't be dumbed down/removed/or fettered. 

For those who are happy for this to happen, please please, tell me what, in actual facts, you expect to happen, if indeed the UK does leave?

Don't just say, we'll get our boarders back; we'll control our money; we can make our own laws; we can trade with who we want.

Give an example...

What does getting our boarders back mean here? My counter example is; How will the NHS get the under £25k a year nurses it needs that are currently EU citizens, who are able to come freely and work freely.

Contorl our money to do what for us? My counter example is; Where will the 75% of University research funding going to come from? Will government now pay for it?

Make our own laws to do what? My counter example is; If you are an employee, the majority of employment law protection comes from the EU. Food standards and animal welfare are almost all EU driven.

We can trade with any country in the whole world! My counter example is; If we, say decide to trade with the US for chickens, do you want to eat chlorine washed chickens? The EU specifically bans the import of chlorine washed chickens.

But hey, what's the worst that could happen.

 

 

burneside
burneside
05 Jan 2019 15:58

Nobody will be forcing you to eat anything you don't want to, just like now. And it may surprise you to learn that we had employment protection laws in this country long before joining the EEC/EC/EU and in some cases they far exceed the EU protection.  For example, in the UK maternity leave is 52 weeks, while just 14 weeks under EU law. Is that what you want?

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majorp
majorp
05 Jan 2019 17:19

Lets get out by whatever means and then see what happens. It is no good saying this might happen or that might be a possibility.

What are pepole so afraid of?

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Lynne
Lynne
05 Jan 2019 18:57

Thank you Burneside for pointing out the UK has, and has had, control of much of its own legislation whilst being a member of the EU.      

Lynne
Lynne
05 Jan 2019 20:12

Not forgetting of course that because of devolution within the UK, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and to a certain extent Wales also have their own legislature.     

burneside
burneside
05 Jan 2019 22:19

But no matter in which country of the Union you live we are all ultimately bound by EU laws.  It's why, since 1973, women had to pay VAT on sanitary products because the EU classed them as luxury items.  After a long campaign by women's groups and special pleading by the government to the EU commission, it was decided in October last year that such items can be zero rated in the future.  Similarly, VAT on domestic fuel bills was zero rated before 1993, but now we are levied 5% VAT which is the minimum allowed under EU rules. Our fuel bills are 5% higher because of the EU.  Think on that when you are heating your home this winter.

 

 

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wondering
wondering
05 Jan 2019 22:41

Roll onI 29th March.

Then a local bus going over 30 miles will be allowed to say where its gioing.

Go catch a bus in Exeter for Plymouth it has to say on the front 'Buckfastleigh then in small font for Plymouth'.

When EU brought this law in it was thought and I believe people should get off and get back on ..certainly driver should or do record split journeys.

Sooneree were out the better! ..spend the money we give them.......... here!!!!!!

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Lynne
Lynne
06 Jan 2019 07:32

Jobs losses. Fall in the value of the pound (which increases the cost of imports and we import about 50% of our food). Tariffs because of WTO rules (which means businesses will be spending money on tariffs and the bureaucracy attached to all of that instead of investing that money in expansion and jobs.)

We may presently be net contributors to the EU but when we leave by Christ will we be the losers.   

Even a 0% VAT on female sanitary products may be a price many will not be able to afford.  Dittto fuel. 

  

Lynne
Lynne
06 Jan 2019 08:04

"The same regions that suffered most in the 1980s will be hit hardest by Brexit.

You could say that Wales, the north and the Midlands consented to sado-Brexitism when they voted to leave in 2016. Yet the right did not promise them a spanking in the referendum. On the contrary, it gained their consent on a false promise that leaving the EU would bring prosperity and restore lost greatness.

As the government bulk buys fridges to store essential medicines, bulk buys ferries to transport food, as Liam Fox’s promised trade deals vanish, as investment evaporates and consumer confidence falls, the promises of 2016 are being blown away like dust before a storm." 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/05/brexiters-ache-to-deliver-severe-spanking-whether-we-like-it-or-not

leatash
leatash
06 Jan 2019 08:53

If you think the EU is so great Lynne maybe you should emmigrate to France, Spain, Italy, etc while you can and give us some peace.

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Lynne
Lynne
06 Jan 2019 09:04

The same could be said about those who think the USA is such a great place.

But if I were to do as you suggest at least I wouldn't be a hypocrite. Unlike that Leave campaigner and ex Tory chancellor of the Exchequer, Nigel Lawson, who has taken up residency in France.

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wondering
wondering
06 Jan 2019 12:25

Leatash 'you took the words out of my mouth' lol

majorp
majorp
06 Jan 2019 16:03

Racing industry in crisis and that is before brexit. A lot of trainers are scared stiff of what bexit might bring.

For whose benefit are horses raced??????

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