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Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
21 Dec 2018 15:04

Petition

Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019.

We are wasting Billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time. Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.

We will save billions of pounds from our EU divorce payment as well as a similar amount from Civil Service and Govt costs. This money will be used to support our own country whilst we await the EU to talk to us to make deals more in our favour. The EU border in Ireland to be managed simply by having a dual Euro / pound currency as legal tender in both the North and South. Exports to the South would be dealt with in Euro and vice versa when importing to the North. Rates fixed at time of the deal.

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Calamari
Calamari
21 Dec 2018 16:33

"The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.

We will save billions of pounds from our EU divorce payment as well as a similar amount from Civil Service and Govt costs."

 

Really. Is that definite?

 

 

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Lynne
Lynne
21 Dec 2018 16:53

er........the EU has just signed a Free Trade Agreement with Japan. This will take effect from Feb 1st 2019. This means there will be a free trade area for services and goods covering approx 650 million people. This trade deal took some five years to agree. 

 

I think you'll find that the EU has just gained a major partner - Japan.

And then of course there's the recently signed off Canada/EU Free Trade Agreement..........(mind you that took 5 plus years to sort out as well). 

 

Population of the UK  (2018) = 66.57million

Population of Japan (2017) = 126.8 million

 

Japan is the world's 3rd largest economy.

The UK is presently in 5th place.

 

What was that you said about the UK having negotiating clout with the EU?

 

 

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burneside
burneside
21 Dec 2018 17:23

In order to secure the deal, did Japan and Canada agree to pay the EU billions of Euros and allow free movement of people from EU countries?

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Lynne
Lynne
21 Dec 2018 17:40

1. Euros - Japan and Canada were/are in a different situation than the UK with regard to the EU.  They have never been part of the EU 'club'. We have. And because we have, we still have outstanding commitments to honour/fees to pay.  

Not too sure how any country, with whom we would wish to set up a FTA, would regard our integrity to honour any commitments concerning the FTA if we default on what we have agreed with the EU.

An Englishman's word is his bond and all that. Old chap.    

2. Free movement of people from the EU - agree that the FTAs do not allow for free movement of people from the EU. But as I said, we are in a different relationship with the EU than that of Japan or Canada. 

 

 

   

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Lynne
Lynne
21 Dec 2018 17:51

For info - various links below give information about the PM's proposed UK/EU deal

 

25 Nov 2018 - Money. The draft agreement sets out the calculations for the financial settlement (or "divorce bill") that the UK will need to pay to the EU to settle all of its obligations. ... If the transition is extended, there will have to be additional UK payments to the EU budget, which will be agreedseparately.
25 Nov 2018 - The EU has agreed on May's 585-page withdrawal agreement. ... that the UK would stump up about £39bn, to cover its contribution to the EU ...
21 Nov 2018 - The Brexit withdrawal agreement outlines how we'll leave the EU. ... How much theUK will pay the EU to settle its obligations (also known as ...

25 Nov 2018 - Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration on the future relationship between theUK and the EU as endorsed by leaders at a special ...

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burneside
burneside
21 Dec 2018 17:56

If we leave with no deal being agreed, after March 29th our relationship with the EU will the same as with any other non-EU country, furthermore we will not be obliged to pay them a penny:

(The) House of Lords EU Financial Affairs Sub-Committee said in a report published today that “under international law the UK will not be legally obliged to contribute to the EU budget if an agreement is not reached at the end of Article 50 negotiations”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/04/britain-will-not-have-pay-penny-leave-european-union-say-peers/

 

 

 

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Lynne
Lynne
21 Dec 2018 18:03

 

So because the House of Lords is of that opinion that would be accepted by the EU?

Splitting my sides at the thought!

 

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burneside
burneside
21 Dec 2018 19:36

You can laugh as much as you like, but if the legal positon stated by the House of Lords EU Financial Affairs Sub-Committee is correct, then that is what it is.  You seem to be having difficulty getting your head around the fact that if we leave without a deal then at 11 pm on March 29 next year we become independent of the EU.  Some people like to call it "hard Brexit", I just call it Brexit.

 

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Lynne
Lynne
21 Dec 2018 19:45

IF, Burneside, IF.

As Brexiters are so fond of saying -"this has never been done before" ergo - no-one knows what the legal status of the financial payment is. There are only opinions. 

 

BTW I have no difficulty whatsoever about getting my head around the consequences of us leaving the EU without a deal.         

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