Dawlish Discussion

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"I’ve got cartons of passata, tinned tuna, carrots, potatoes, onions, pulses, water chestnuts, plum tomatoes, curry paste jars, coconut milk, tomato puree, rice, pasta, water, orange juice, squash, spaghetti hoops, soups, stews, tinned fruit, herbs and spices. I’ve also got a good amount of DIY tools, buckets, lightbulbs, matches, candles, firewood, bleach, Dettol, first-aid items and common medicines. 

It’s an insurance policy of sorts. I recognise that I’m in a fairly privileged position to be able to do this: not everyone can afford a few hundred quid on unnecessary tins. But I have to look after my family, and I would encourage everyone else to do the same if they can. If you don’t end up needing it, you can eat it or donate to a food bank, because God knows they’ll need it. If you do need it, you’ll be glad of it. Thomas, Shrewsbury"

From:  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/09/im-already-stockpiling-readers-preparing-for-a-messy-brexit

A deal or no deal, lets get out, the sky is the limit.

@Lynne. I stock pile food, but it is not because of bexit. If I see a bargain I grab it.

"The Sky is the Limit" - go tell that to all those whose businesses will go bust and those who will lose jobs and quite possibly (put that possibly in just for Burneside) their homes because of a No Deal Brexit.

And the thing is, the thing is, the Tories will carry the can (to carry on the food theme) for it all. 

https://www.lovemoney.com/gallerylist/53030/23-major-brands-that-disappeared-from-uk-high-streets

In case you forgot and more will follow not because of brexit.

A few jobs disappeared with those closures.

How many car making factories closed before brexit?

But it is funny that we make most of the  formula one cars in this country----they can't get the skills anywhere else

Roll on brexit.

I have no idea. But I am sure there will be more in the event of a No Deal Brexit.

And not only car making factories.  

Amazing how some people spend all day on here trying to find negative EU websites.   17 million people wanted out of the EU.  Out it is!

@wondering can't disagree with that.

What is amazing is those who think that the negative impact a No Deal will have on so many, indeed the prospect of which is already having on so many,  including many of those who voted to leave the EU, is okay. 

The current chaos and potential further chaos is what Leave winning the referendum looks like.

Lamb Farmers. I thought I heard Neil Parish, the MP who is also a farmer, say that in the event of a No Deal Brexit, WTO tariffs on lamb exports would be something around 60%.  The amount of tariff quoted below is slightly lower than that but the effect would be the same.

" If you’re a lamb farmer the British government will advise that there will be a 40 per cent tax on your exports when you attempt to export them to the European Union, and that the inevitable disruption at the ports will mean your livestock may be hanging around in the back of a lorry for an unconscionable time. So maybe don’t bother? Maybe diversify? Open a hotel? Farm shop? Try to divert the exports that usually go to France to China or Saudi Arabia? The Department for International Trade can advise on that, but won’t be equipped to sell a single kilo of meat." 

From https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/no-deal-brexit-theresa-may-remain-leave-low-taxes-singapore-thatcherism-neoliberalism-a8688811.html

Lynne the French try to burn Paris down when fuel duty is increased a little. Brexit works both ways and the EU will suffer just the same there could be severe problems in Europe post Brexit they will soon come to realise a new deal has to be negotiated. 

But the greatest negative impact would be in the UK.

Click on this link and look at the graph.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/19/no-deal-brexit-would-harm-all-european-countries-warns-imf

The UK Car Industry. Majop referred to this earlier on in the thread.

"if you’re a Japanese or German carmaker in Britain, you can certainly organise the annual shutdown for 29 March and after, because you know things will be getting fairly hairy then. But sooner or later you’re going to have to go back to work and figure out how to make and sell cars with bits missing, because the components are hanging around in Calais or somewhere on the M20, when they should be being fitted into a nice new Mini Cooper. Then they’ll need to work out how to sell their cars in Europe when they have a 10 per cent tariff slapped on them. Some Eurosceptics say that any business that can’t slice 10 per cent off its cost base isn’t doing its job properly. We’ll see how Nissan, Toyota, Honda and BMW respond to that, and how big the subsidies these motor giants demand of the British government will turn out to be. Too high, probably."  

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/no-deal-brexit-theresa-may-remain-leave-low-taxes-singapore-thatcherism-neoliberalism-a8688811.html

It would seem that some people just don't like democracy.

It is not that simple for any large company who employ top of the range skilled labour to move. Where ever they might go, will the skills be there to carry on as normal?

Italy next to leave EU ..its a failed set up.

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/9537370/Next Country To Leave EU (without United Kingdom).html

Breaking from Sky News:

The European Commission has proposed that trucks from the UK will be "temporarily allowed" to carry goods into the EU until the end of 2019 under a 'no-deal' Brexit provided that the UK offers equivalent rights to the EU

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1075360562933088256

You can stop the stockpiling, Lynne, by the end of 2019 another "temporary" fix will have been found.

It looks like EU has blinked first.

@ Burneside

1. Not questioning the result of the referendum. Questioning the consequence of the result.. Two entirely different things.

2. Suggest you contact T.May then and tell her to stop the stockpiling and preparations for No Deal. 

"No deal, if it happens, will be a process – not an event – managed by the EU to their negotiating advantage, just as the article 50 talks have been throughout. The difference is that a no-deal process would be much shorter and more brutal for the UK."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/30/no-deal-brexit-not-end-negotiations-eu

Haulage companies are claimig they are 55,000 to 60,000 drivers short and with the drivers they now have ageing, things are set to get worse.

I am told that some are commanding £40,000 . So there is plenty of work out there if you want it.

I look at it this way. Those businesses who want immigration to continue at the level it is now, are really saying, "we can't get enough of our own to subdise our business". Same as "benefits", were would some businesses end up if benefits were to stop? People spend their benefits more often than not in the local community.

Quoting an out-of-date doom-ridden article, written by someone who used to work at the European Commission, does your cause no good at all.  It sounds like he comes from the Olly Robbins school of negotiating.

Well the article was written in October of this year so hardly out of date although I grant you that things are very fluid at the moment.

And perish the thought that anyone should take any notice of the insights into how the EU works, its priorities etc in an article written by someone who knows the EU very well.

You been on the blower to the PM yet telling her that in your opinion there is no need for stockpiling?