General Discussion
Because the Unionists in N.Ireland do not want to be part of the Republic of Ireland they want to remain part of the UK.
In addition to that general feeling, the real politik of the May government is that it needs the DUP MPs to give it a majority.
The DUP MPs most definitely do not want N.I to become part of the Republic in any shape or form and they most definitely do want N.I to remain part of the UK in every shape and form.
Hence they will not countenance any form of border between the UK and the EU (Ireland) going down the Irish Sea.
hi lynne the people you mention are not subject to EU Tariffs or are they ?But goods are.
If the E.U . are trying to muddy yhe waters over Brexit next they would try Gibraltar or bases in Malta
Or Cyprus. If Only Adolf Hitler had thought up a E.U. instead of of touring Poland etc.
Yes we know all that Lynne at the end of the day it's the EU playing hardball and trying to force another vote on stay or leave there is no solution because the EU dont want one.
So if you already know all that why do you still think that it is the EU playing hardball? It isn't.
Okay - so let's just say there will be a hard border between NI and the RoI. Will that hard border be across the whole of the border (barbed wire/wall?) or just along main roads. Because if the latter it will simply serve to allow the smuggling of goods and people to/from the RoI(EU)/UK along the more rural areas.
If we were to officially boycott R.oI goods then they no doubt would return the favour. We trade a lot with the RoI.
Why do you see this problematic issue as being one caused by the EU? It is not. The Good Friday Agreement is an international treaty. It has been signed off by the UK and the RoI. The UK is the one causing the problem by way of its seeking to leave the EU.
Malta is an independent country.
Cyprus is an independent country.
I agree Gibraltar is another border problem. Lots of stuff online to read about it. Here's just one link of a great many.
The Uk took a democratic vote. It was Leave .Get over it.
Just for the record.I was not happy with the findings of the Chilcot and Hutton Enquiries both
involving that great damocratic leader Tony Blair. Maybe as he would like another referendum, maybe both these
enquiries should be reopened. Due to the fact that in both cases they did not end up with results I had
hoped for .
I thought we were talking about the outcome (or one of them) of that democratic vote not whether or not there should be another one.
I do seem to be detecting a pattern evolving on this website (and no doubt on countless others as well) which goes along the lines of if anyone points out the problems that have been caused/are causing/will be caused because of the vote for the UK to leave the EU then they are deemed to be automatically seeking to have another referendum.
That is not for me to decide. That is for the people of this country to decide.
In the meantime, and as we have been talking of Ireland and borders and things, the question of potatoes has come to mind so I shall take some time this afternoon looking at the border between my veg patch and flower patch and see by how much I might need to increase the veg patch space.
You know.
Just in case..........
Well thank goodness the election last year panned out as it did. Without the DUP to keep May in check she would have by now steamrollered through her version of Brexit, which would have been a complete sellout. May campaigned for the remain side before the referendum, and doesn't it just show. She's bought herself some time during the summer recess, but her days in No 10 are numbered.
If you click on this link and then scroll down you will get an itemised list of the DUP's Brexit wishlist.
Note item 7 -"Frictionless border with the Irish Republic assisting those working or travelling in the other direction".
And also of course there is the bilateral agreement between the UK and the RoI allowing for free movement of people between the two countries.
If this all wasn't so serious I would be LMFAO. I can't believe, even from all I've been viewing on all interweb how the vanishingly small majority of those that could and did vote, can't admit that oops they may have not realised what a shit idea brexit was. 
Because Brexit isn't a shit idea, is it? Despite getting larger over the years the EU's share of world trade has decreased. The future is with the outside world beyond the soon to be EU27.
The EU and Japan have just signed a trade deal.
And didn't the EU sign up to one with Canada not so long ago?
Talking of shit - that reminds me - I must get some manure for all that fruit and veg I'm gonna have to try and grow...........
Judging by the hysteria spouted about Brexit, you'd think life in this country barely existed before we joined the Common Market in 1973.
Some might say that hysteria was/is the approach taken by some in this country towards the EU.
See you in the morning B/S.
Nighty night.
scapegoet The people in a democratic vote decided they wanted to leave and thats it the will of the people has to be carried out wether that is right or wrong thats democracy. And burnside you are spot on life was ok prior to 1973 and folk today who belong to the snowflake generation could learn a thing or two if we could transport them back to the 70s.
Back to the 1960s/1970s? - OMG! No thank you!
So if the people decided that they wanted another vote and this time the vote showed that they wanted to stay in the EU I take it, by your logic, that you would be happy with that?
And I see that Jacob Tree-Frog is now saying that he thinks a No Deal scenario is ever more likely but that there is nothing to worry about.
So that's okay then.
Not.
We joined a Common Market.Not a United States of Europe We were told Lies and led by Utter Treachery. Ted Heath
Funny you should mention the term United States as I was only wondering to myself this morning what type of trade deal the UK would get with an "America First", protectionist, Trumpton U.S.
The thing is Lynne if there is a no deal you may find out what the 60s 70s was like now i can easily revert back but could you. If the result had been to stay we would have heard no more apart from Nigel going on but that wasnt the case and the will of the people has to be carried out.
The reason that Jacob Grease-Smog is happy with no deal is that he stands to make a fortune from it unlike most of the cliff jumping lemmings
Just like it was the will of the people in 1975 that we would stay in the EEC, despite it morphing from a nine state organisation into 28, with countless treaties taking us ever deeper into its grasp, and not once were we asked if that is what we wanted - until 2016, and the answer was NO.
Yes Leatash I was around in the 1960s and 1970s.
do I want to go there again?
NO!
And if the result had been 52% Remain 48% Leave do you think that the Leavers would have left it at that? For if you do then you really are living in cloud cuckoo land.
So Lynne why do yo accept the result of other democratic votes ie General Elections that have closer percentages than the referendum result. I guarantee if the result had have been to stay it would have been done and dusted yes good old Nigel and a few others would have carried on but not to this extent. Anyway i am of on my journeys again away from the maddening crowds i will be back when the groceles have gone my advice Lynne buy some chest freezers and stock up and tinned veg isnt that bad if you are hungry.
OMG.... what do brexiters acually want to achieve? If you wan't us all to be worse off just to fullfil your ideology and willing to shit on succsevive generations, you are going the right way about it. You are being manipulated by the elite to sell your souls on a ideology based on me me me me me and f**k your grandchildren.
Seriosly, from all the people I've questioned I get the same shit... Is it really all about your old racist views that prefer johnny foriegner (especially brown and black people) to F*CK OFF!?
And the card being played by braindead nationalists is... It's the will of (a few ) people. You Burnside ( and others) are destroying the future of this country. Keep your head in the sand, hope your childen/ grandchildren manage to forgive you. The only hard brexit idiots I have managed to have a discussion with turn out to be racist idiots. At least be honest and admit you hate Johnny Foriegner!
The worst thing about a racist is a racist that wont admit to being a racist. Ring any bells? lololololololololol #'youknowwhoyouare
All this talk about what might or might not happen, does not appear to be squaring the circle as far as Heathrow expansion is concerned. They are going ahead and hope that a new runway/terminal will be up and running by 2026, to cope with the new expected world trade. We must be doing something right by owning the busiest airport in the world and set to get busier.
So is all this brexit talk by the peddlers of dome and gloom stacking up - well not according to the master minds that are running Heathrow now.
Expected world trade?
Ha!
That's just pie in the sky.
PS Busy/busiest can be defined in different ways. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/busiest-airport-international-passengers/
Do you now possess the powers of Mystic Meg, Lynne? Nobody knows with certainty what will happen after Brexit, but apparently you do.
Seems I'm not the only one with mystic powers B/S as some claim that life in this country will be all fine and dandy after Brexit........
PS Just heard on the news that the government is making plans to use one of the three lanes on the M whatever it is motorway in Kent leadingto/from Dover as a lorry park in the event of a No Deal Brexit.
Chaos.
Operation Stack, as it is known, is a traffic management scheme which has been used for decades to control lorry traffic on the approach to Dover and the Channel tunnel. We could do with less of the hysterics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Stack
True. But the government is proposing only the one lane and from pictures that I have seen of previous Operation Stacks the lorries have been covering two, even three
That's gonna be an awful long tail back.
As I said - chaos.
AndI wonder how long it will be before the good people of Kent get really hacked off. (and it doesn't seem to do that much good for economy as a whole, does it?)
"Kent County Council told the committee disruption caused by Operation Stack cost the local economy £1.5m per day."
"The Port of Dover estimates the UK economy loses up to £250m per day when Stack is in force."
Well not to worry Lynne, after the news today that Dominic Raab is being sidelined and Brexit negotations will be done by May personally, along with the unelected Olly Robbins pulling the strings, it looks like Brexit won't be happening at all. It's time for the pro-Brexit MPs to oust May and, to coin a phrase, take back control.
'Taking back control' is a relative term.
Just how much control do you think this country, in reality, has, and will have, when negotiating from its ever increasing position of weakness.
I suppose the next stage in this whole sorry saga will be when the division between the Protectionist Brexiters and the Free Market Brexiters comes to the fore.
Still, not to worry as I'm sure that nice Mr Trump across the pond will bail us out - though all on his own terms of course.
Yes Sirree - we sure will have taken back control.
NOT
So Teresa May is now in control of Brexit with the advice from the unelected civil servant Olly Robbins.
Does the Prime Minister understand anything? God help us.
Her last choice of advisers Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill were kicked out for giving bad advice and lost
a large number of seats for her party. If she can't choose her advisors more wisely how can she run
brexit?More to the point if she can't make a decision stand down and move over .
I think the Prime Minister understands things only too well.
And I think she has made a decision based on that understanding. You may not like that decision for your reasons and I may not like it for mine.
But nontheless she has still made a decision.
Civil servants are by definition unelected. What they do is give advice. Politicians decide whether or not to take that advice.
Shouldn’t those Brexiteers moaning about May’s choice of advisors, erm, “get over it”?
And, like I read yesterday, I assume that they’ll be up in arms about official plans to introduce eye tests for drivers who have reached a certain age? As, of course, only the original result ever counts...
May, cynically and cowardly, announced her decision yesterday just as parliament breaks up for its long summer recess thus protecting her from a rebellion.
She's bought herself a bit of time, but it won't save her political skin, come September the knives will be out and it really will be the end of her
leadership. It will be good riddance to the lying, deceitful piece of manure.
I find it gobsmacking that you hard brexit/ no deal extremists are happy to sell the country down the river for your rose coloured ideology. You seem happy to go back to the 1970s when we faced food shortages and bombings from an Ireland at war. Brexiters never have any answers and base all their arguments on soundbites. Un-fecking-believable.
Please change my mind and give me some facts about how Brexit is a positive thing without soundbites, bullshit and ad hominem attacks :)
eta... Not to mention that the Leave campaign broke the law. If an athlete is proven to have taken drugs they lose their gold medal. How can the referendum be seen as legitimate is beyond me. Please also explain why cheating is ok?
The Remain-backing Lib Dems were fine £18,000 by the Electoral Commission for spending irregularities:
What was that you were saying about law breaking and cheating?