General Discussion
It looks good to me, re-nationalization, scrapping uni fees, protecting the NHS, low-cost housing... the only party looking to take on the neoliberal status-quo.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39879113
But then I decide how to vote based on policy not personality and I don't read hate-fuelled right-wing tabloids.
Who will pay for all this? Even the Labour spokesman on R4 this morning wouldn't say, just that the costings are TBA.
It's a draft, so TBA. I'll wait and see what unfolds.
At least some politicians show willing to break the control of the corporatocracy which governs the UK.
I'd suggest a cessation of tax avoidance by the super rich and corporations would be a start.
As if the Tories had a clue about the costs involved in Brexit.. What politician really knows 'who will pay for this'?
I know who's paying a high price for having the Tories in government though.
The poor, disabled, the elderly, immigrants, refugees, single parents, families on low and middling incomes feeling 'the squeeze', students, school children, young people, the unemployed, those on benefits, people with mental health problems, health care professionals, all public services, teachers, social workers, etc...
Who's reaping the rewards
Bankers, rich CEOs, dodgy housing developers, corrupt politicians, racists, xenophobes, aristocrats, landowners, multi-national corporations, etc.
@Indy Scot, same old lefty crap that is continuously said with absolutely no evidence.
The Tories run the country well with their common sense approach.
Labour's ideas are ridiculous.
If we all went mad and voted Labour in, the reality is that workers would suffer high taxes to pay for the lazy. We all know this to be true.
@Paul guess you identify with the latter group too - same old right wing crap. the tories run the country extremely well for the wealthy - but not for anyone else. anyone voting to maintain this status quo is just misinformed or oblivious to reality.
And why do you use 'we' as in 'we all know this to be true'? who do you think you're writing on behalf of? The right-wing of Dawlish.com?
Corbyn has said how he will pay for it.....he's going to borrow £500bn.
Yep, £500,000,000,000 or about £7650 for every man, woman and child in the country.
Who's going to pay that back then?
Like I said elsewhere - Simplistic ideology!!!
@HuwMatthews You have not referred elsewhere to Corbyn's Labour as having a 'simplistic ideology'.
This was your comment:
The Daily Mirror. You're having a laugh right?
There's not much point having a discussion with a regurgitator of the tabloid press.
@HuwMatthews2's post relates to a story dating the 25th september 2016. Has Corbyn linked the £500 bn figure to the draft manifesto that has come to light in the last couple of days?
This just appears like a very tenuous link.
We would be better off getting the monkeys at Paignton Zoo to run the country than Corbyn, Abbott and rest of the fools.
I've booked the Friday off to celebrate Theresa's victory and our nation's bright future.
The Mirror is reporting what Corbyn stated on the Andrew Marr programme. Unfortunately I can't find the clip but there is a transcript on the net.
You say it doesn't link to the recently announced Manifesto - how else is he going to pay for it?
You say "renationalisation would make funds available". How? If you buy something back the seller doesn't usually give you cash as well!! Perhaps that's why their financial forecasts are such a mess? The only way to not have to spend anything, on the railways for example, is to wait for the franchises to expire. That'll take 30 odd years!!! Corbyn will be 97 plus by then - so he won't want the railways as he'll have his bus pass and mobility scooter!!!
As for the Mirror - a left of centre, pro-Labour (in 2015) rag - I thought it would be your 'go to' source! Perhaps I should have found a quote from Pravda.
@HuwMatthews2 Are you kidding I don't read tabloids full stop, They're for the 'dumbed down'. I can't believe you referenced a tabloid!
The mirror is sensationalist and often not factual. Thinking all left leaning people read the mirror is very simplistic.
Today's 'I' is reporting a £50 bn figure. So according to them you're out by a factor of 10.
The Manifesto is a draft and it has been leaked, the details will be made public next week. Why not wait til then - I'm all for a reversal of privatization, nationalization would make profits made available to the Exchequer instead of going to shareholders, etc. I made that point very clear.
Yes it's radical - maybe franchises will have to cancelled? How should I know. You question me like I'm a member of the shadow cabinet.
Why are you so angry? Other people on this forum simply think Corbyn has no chance - I'm just taking an interest in the manifesto draft, with an open mind.
Your crappy attitude towards me all boils down to my views on the British army in Northern Ireland and your irrational hatred of Corbyn as a supposed traitor and IRA sympathizer which began on this thread https://dawlish.com/thread/details/45528.
After that thread you've replied to my posts with a lot of passive-aggression. It's getting tiresome.
So I'm a Pravda reading communist now am I?? And you claim I have a 'simplistic ideology'. You have a tendency for puerile remarks. Grow up.
@HuwMatthews2 we are never going to agree on matters relating to corbyn, northern ireland, the british army, the british nation, the left vs the right...
Elsewhere on this site I've been critical of Corbyn, I listed 5 errors he made as leader. Yet you are obsessed with this idea that I am a staunch Corbynite or a Commie it seems.
That says a lot more about you than me. You assume I'm pro-Labour - maybe I'm just figuring out who to vote for , maybe I've never even voted Labour before.
Are you intent on perpetuating this conflict on every thread I appear? What outcome are you looking for? Could you please answer these questions.
Thanks - enjoy your evening.
Okay.
1. I am not out by any factor - Corbyn confirmed on the Andrew Marr prog that the "£500 bn is an approximate figure". I'm therefore quoting him not the Mirror. The Mirror link is only because I can't find the Marr link. You seem to have more time on your hands so perhaps you can.
2. Cancelled franchises attract compensation; ergo cost.
3. I'm not angry. Yet another assumption you make about an individual (you make these assumptions/allegations frequently).
4. I couldn't give a flying fig what you think about the British Army in N. Ireland. I see you also insulted Leatash on that subject. To quote a couple of films: 'You don't know man, you weren't there!' Corbyn was. Commemorating dead terrorists and encouraging republicans not to give up the 'Armed Struggle' for a united Ireland. Many people died as a result of it continuing - he has the blood of UK citizens on his hands - he is a traitor.
5. I'm passive aggressive am I? Really? Read back through your comments and all of the people you have insulted because they disagree with you. I quote: "You have a tendency for puerile remarks. Grow up." !!! See what I mean? Probably not.
6. I don't care who you vote for or what your political leanings are. It is quite obvious that they are waaaaaaay left of centre. You talk about 'Progressive Alliances' to get the Tories out - hardly democratic to withdraw candidates so that the options are reduced for the electorate and minor parties get MPs. Why don't you work towards a manifesto, from any party (other than Conservative obviously), that the British public might vote for en masse? It's because you know that your radical, simplistic, retro thinking just doesn't cut it for the majority of people who care about this/their country. Therefore you, and others like you, connive and conspire to get your own way. Not the way I do things which is why we will never see eye to eye on very much.
7. I am having a good evening. I hope you have the same.
As I intimated, we'll agree to disagree.
So I'm now either "paranoid or just very insecure" but that's not an insult at all!
I didn't answer your last question because it is meaningless - There is no conflict and I am not angry. You do not impact upon my life enough for me to have any emotions towards you.
If we agree to disagree why are you perpetuating this argument? It won't lead anywhere. If you answer my questions which relate to your accusations then maybe we can resolve something.
Who have I personally insulted - I asked you this question before. You evaded answering it once more. Can you provide examples from previous posts?
The Pravda comment and this rant "Therefore you, and others like you, connive and conspire to get your own way." show you're quite capable of being insulting.
I find being constantly labelled a troll by you insulting.
What exactly am I plotting? Seeing as I'm a conniver? Your accusations are getting tedious.
I don't know if you are paranoid or insecure, that is why I asked you. It was a question - a valid one given the bizarre 'conniving and conspiring' comment about 'me and others like me'. Do you understand?
If you feel insulted by a question that's not my problem. Maybe you're just too sensitive.
Are you intent on perpetuating this conflict on every thread where I appear? What outcome are you looking for? Could you please answer these questions.
