General Discussion
Why when Dawlish is trying to encourage families to Dawlish, do the licensing commities allow pubs ie. the landsdown to have a late licence, despite numrous complaints to the police about abusive behaviou.Vomiting, urinating screaming foul mouthed abuse , fighting etc all in a residential area. It is like the Wild West on a Friday night. Drugs are rife and yet nothing is done. I understand the counsil control the licencing conditions, Oh for the dayswhen the police did it. People are sick and tired of it. Some are too scared to complain, for fears of retribution. A sad indicment of Dawlish.
@monty - i was on my way home, some time ago, from work at 02:30hrs and as i came up to the landsdown i was confronted by at least a mob of 20-30 screaming yobs. they seem to be filtering out of the landsdown towards some bloke who was running straight towards me. i made a quick exit to the left in my car and put my foot down. god forbid what might have ensued if i had been walking or on a push bike.
Any pubs or drinking establishments that continue to get complaints should be shutdown, end of story.
As to the drug/drink culture in Dawlish and surrounding area's that will only continue to get worse as more seasoned cops are retired early. Policing in rural area's is mostly reactive than proactive these days or anywhere other than places like central/city of London.
Monty, I couldn't agree more with your post. I myself have had an ongoing problem many, many times with groups of screaming drunken yobs disturbing my sleep between the hours 11pm-2am. I often make an assessment of the situation before calling the 101 number as at one time we were all young, I normally give it until midnight before i call. Now I know what you are going to say that it's a waste of time, maybe it is, however these calls are logged and end up on the desk of senior sargeant Joseph Mathews in Newton Abott. He has to account for all these calls to his Inspector as to what he is doing about the problem, of course this does go higher up the chain of command. Until the residents of Dawlish start a campaign of the ASB and start calling the 101 number the problem as you say will just get worse. And as you say the Lansdown is open until 3am.
I have had many email's and conversations about this problem with the indiviuals listed below. I have called the 101 number, and yes it's frustating having to explain over and over again not to one operator but two before it's taken seriously. They will enventually send a car albiet to late as the group of drunks and trouble makers have moved to another area of the town. Residents of Dawlish take a stand and do something about it, sooner or later a squeaky wheel will be oiled.
Below are the email addresses to send complaints. If we all pull together we may, just may get some results.
Senior Sargeant Newton Abbot.
(Joseph.MATHEWS@devonandcornwall.police.uk)
ASB Contact this person has been put in charge to deal with this issue.
(Rob.Kingdon@Teignbridge.gov.uk)
Dawlish local policeman Ray Faichney.
(Raymond.Faichney@devonandcornwall.pnn.police.uk)
Dawlish Mayor Angela Fenne.
(Angelafenne@btinternet.com
There you have all their email's just get on with it. I hope this is of some help.
Ps Don't forget the dots in the email addresses.
Thank you for this. I everyone rang the police they would have to act. I have m et with the police abot this, and what they need is for more people to complain, otherwise it looks like one person with a vendetta.
Another thing, the late license was taken off the pub, but for some reason 3 months later they got it back. I know local counsellers are on the licensing committee so why no action from them?
When I was a councillor I expressed dismay at them getting the late license back as many local residents had spoken to me about the issue. I raised this with the police representative in a council meeting at the time and he promised to investigate. The then Mayor and Deputy Mayor visited the pub and did a report for the council, saying what an important amenity it was for this end of town and it would be a loss to the town. Needless to say neither lived anywhere near the Lansdowne! I also had a couple of not very pleasant emails from the brothers who own he pub demanding to know what evidence I had to support what I said. I was able to provide the evidence and things did quieten down but only for a nano second!
Monty, the decision by TDC was nothing to do with what was reported by the then Mayor and Deputy Mayor of Dawlish.
The facts are contained in this link:
This link pertains to 2012. People still congregate outside on the pavement smoking. Very intimdating if you try to walk past. Only a couple of weeks ago there was a serious assault, With pools of blood leading from the pub to costcutters. They should not be serving alcohol to customers who are already drunk. I had a burglar who entered my house we locked him in the study rang the police. He claimed to the police he was being chased by a gang of youths from the pub and came in my house to hide. Not only did th police let himgo they even gave him a lift. The policeman said to me , he doesn't look like a burglar. Make of that what you will. We have suffered in silence but now I am realy angry, I wouldn't dare go out in the dark around park St . I will ring the police everytime there is aggro from the pub, if all the residents do maybe something will be done you can do it anonymously if you fear retribution. Lets make Dawlish a safe and lovlely peaceful town like it used to be.
Sorry Monty, you were querying the reason why the licence reverted to its current timings. Hence the link and the explanations therein for why it was found to be acceptable at the time.
It does sound like you're suffering horrendous experiences. You have my sympathies.
Oh here we go again! Read my post Mrs C, I did NOT say the report by the Mayor et al was responsible for the decision to return the license!! If you had a brain you really would be even more dangerous than you already are!! To spell it out for you..............the report from the Mayor was a result of my querying why the Lansdowne got their license back!! Give me strength!!
@monty, I have complained several times to tdc about the smokers outside the lansdowne and each time the smokers disappear for a while. the owners don't like it but tough. i am a non-smoker and really object at having to walk through clouds of smoke on my way home from shopping. keep complaining, the more the merrier.
Would be very interested to know the word for word content of those not very pleasant emails Margaret, please share.
Shame, you would have been wise to keep them, especially as it was in the course of council business.
When I ceased being a councillor I deleted everything linked to the role, being mindful of the data protection ACT.
So there's no official record of this communication, or will the Town Council have copies? What was it about the emails that made them unpleasant?
There should be a record of my question and the response from the police representative in the relevant town council minutes but the emails were sent to my personal email address. They were written in a very unpleasant manner; family members were quite concerned at the time but I had the evidence and provided it so was not concerned.
Personal email address or not you should have kept them, especially if they were so unpleasant that your family members were concerned for you. Were they threatening?
New bylaws have now been posted on the information pole opposite Lloyds bank. ( Dawlish Public Space Protection Order) I did take a photo of it but can't seem to post it on here, perhaps Ziggy could take one for the forum and post it. Now we want to see it enforced!!
@ZIGGY - the only problem with notice's that tell people not to do something, is that those it is aimed at do not acknowledged them. feet on the street is the only sure way to enforce these issues do not go unpunished although there is little chance of that happening.
I agree with what you say, but a squeaky wheel will get oil sooner or later. The email address's for the relevent contacts are listed in this post just keep sending email's or calling the 101 number the police will soon get the idea IF enough people call or send a message if you have problems in your area. Don't let Dawlish go down the toilet, I know some would say that it is already.