General Discussion
What are people's thoughts?
MPs will vote for, I have no doubt, but do you think we should be spending up to 250 billion if you believe some reports on this? I am sure a few MPs have an interest in companies that will benefit from this spend.
Definatley FOR. If we stop dishing out foreign aid, and paying bennifits to assylum seekers, migrants, immigrants call them what you want. We will soon have paid it off. You never know once the Saudi oil bubble bursts we may just need it, if only as a deterent.
There's no argument that the Successor class replacement project does employ a lot of people in the U.K. and that billions have already been spent on procurement of materials and parts. Also hundreds of millions on upgrading/building larger structures for fabrication.
The bonus is that we can use the old missiles with a little rework, what a bargain.
A nuclear deterrant is very cold war ideology and in some circles is the only way to keep invasion at bay from other countries such as Russia, etc, but what if we invested that money in non nuclear deterrants. We would have a military infrastructure that was fit for purpose, but the high and mighty do not see the bragging rights in this scenario.
It would give us tools that could be used 24/7 not something that, god help us all, may be used.
One question to ask is, who in government has a finger in the BAE pie. These are the ones with the most infuence and power when it comes to these type of decisions being made, I believe.
We do need a strong military presence, but a nuclear deterrant is no one's friend and not a solution to anything, but when has that ever stopped the politicians making bad choices and wasting tax payer's hard earned money.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/how-much-will-replacing-trident-cost-us/
http://www.nucleareducationtrust.org/images/stories/grant_reports/VOLUME_1.pdf
Well the vote was pretty much the same as Brexit and quite rightly so. People are begining to wake up at last and realise that as a powerful world leading country we need to look after No 1.
Made me laugh that Corbyn and his joke followers got on the wrong side of the vote again, when is this political idiot going to stand down and go bury his head.
Anyway thats two arguments democratically sorted for the best, we just need to silence the muppet leading the SNP into the same fate as the Lib Dems.
The vote wasn't the same as Brexit, the referendum was close and this wasn't even near close.
Nuclear is not the answer. I am not saying we don't need to arm our military but how could even half of that money be better spent in other areas of the military? Especially with the actual real threats we are facing.
If the world starts a nuclear war then the planet really will be destroyed by humans. What would be the state of the planet afterwards? No point having a deterrent if you are not willing to use it. May said she would but she had to say that!
The world has moved on and the threats are very different. A nuclear weapon isn't any good against the terrorism plaguing the world. Old thinking again from the oldies.
"Definatley FOR. If we stop dishing out foreign aid, and paying bennifits to assylum seekers, migrants, immigrants call them what you want. We will soon have paid it off. You never know once the Saudi oil bubble bursts we may just need it, if only as a deterent."
Do you know what a facepalm is Fred?
Like all the others that voted to remain and welcome terrorists oh sorry refugees into our country. Head in hands whillst Muslim thugs take over the streets of Londons suburbs, and gang rape little girls, install their own uncivilised laws, and basically run ferrul because everybody who speaks out against them is racist.
Well when it comes to whats best for my kids and grandkids in our own country, Im proud to be racist and if the threat from these middle eastern and African scum countries continues I would gladly press the nuclear buttons.
To those who think it unreasonable that we should protect our country and retain the ultimate mass destruction technology that as a civilised and educated nation we developed. Then join the hate preachers, the pro EU supporters, the illegal migrants, and any other treacherous groups and hurry up and leave. The rest of us have a mission to make this country great once more
Not all refugees are terrorists. I have said it before the attitude of "let's not help the majority because of a small minority" does not help and will only drive more people to being radicalised as YOU isolate and discriminate against them.
Having an opinion, an intelligent one, about immigration and refugees, does not make you a racist at all but this statement does "from these middle eastern and African scum countries".
A nuclear bomb is no good against terrorism as they aren't conveniently all sitting in one place as your little racist mind would believe.
What is best for the kids, of not just this country but the world, is to be taught not to be a racist dick. Dropping a nuclear bomb means your kids won't have much of a future. The only way to combat this is education and discussion which will take time, a long time. I know your small brain thinks bombs are the answer but that is not how you change the world. There is no quick fix.
Just because it is humane to help refugees does not mean we are any less protected. This is a logical fallacy, as is your entire argument.
Fred Bassett aren't you faintly embarrassed to be talking such crock? What areas of London are no-go areas? Tell me precisely where because I lived there for 30 years and know it like the back of my hand. You are saying it because that's what you want to believe. I suspect you rarely venture out of your white-only hidey hole in Dawlish to have any first hand knowledge, you need to get out more and stop being scared of what you don't know.
PS Scum is scum whatever colour, race or religion, you do a good impression of it yourself.
There are certainly areas of London where you could easily forget you are still in England. As you lived there for 30 years I am quite sure you know where they are.
"easily forget you are still in England" - what does that mean? You would be in the minority being white? Enlighten us which areas are like that and which are no go?
I mean, walking through some parts of London, you are in a small minority as a white person. Whitechapel/Shadwell springs to mind.
London is a multicultural city, you won't find anywhere there that appeals to your purist ideas of dear little England
As for Whitechapel and Shadwell, you clearly don't know what you're on about. You're talking like you once went to Brick Lane fifteen years ago and couldn't get over how many curry houses there were. Ha ha, didn't they have egg and chips on the menu?
I went to a nightclub a few years ago in Shadwell and I didn't feel like the minority in the area at all! It might be a case of the right attitude though!
I certainly do know what I am talking about, I was walking through Watney Market only last week. When were you last in that area?
lol seriously, some of you need to have a word with yourselves.
In 1988 I was on a bus in Vancouver and closed my eyes and all I could hear was Chinese. Apart from the fact that I thought it was pretty cool, we were going through Chinatown. OMG!! they are taking over Canada!!! But they didn't, did they? No because that's how things work, which is why my brother lives in an expat rich part of Turkey except they don't go around moaning that you never hear anyone speaking Turkish around here anymore!! Those bloody British immigrants!!
Racism is a very good device to stop people realising that they have far more in common than not in common and anyone that thinks all Muslims are terrorists need to take a long hard look at the true facts and stop following the likes of the Dail Fail and Britain First who have been caught out lying time and time again!!
Wow, a stroll through Watney Market, keeping it real there Burnside. Were you buying your frozen vol-au-vents from Iceland?
Actually I'm in London quite a bit too, I still own property there. I like to see the friends I made - some of them are not white, not English and not Christian. You should try it some time, it makes you less parochial.
You know nothing about me, Hay Day. But I clearly know more about the east end than you do.
Dear henchmen and women. Burneside is the lord of the Isle Of Dogs manor. Whatever you do, don't f*** with him.
Burneside, I know what you post and if you don't want me to have an opinion about you, don't post. Meanwhile there's nothing 'clearly' about it, you assumed no-one would know otherwise. I do.
Whitechapel and Shadwell are not non-white neighbourhoods, Whitechapel in particular is a vibrant, cosmopolitan area on the edge of the City of London. Over decades, alongside its neighbour Spitalfields it developed an arty reputation because it attracted the creative sorts who couldn't afford the higher rents elsewhere in London. Whitechapel Art Gallery is a reknowned centre for contemporary art, Truman Brewery is a hub for the creative industries, there are a multitude of bars and restaurants (Brick Lane included) in the area. Walk around any night of the week and it is buzzing, it's been like that for years. As a result prices skyrocketed and people moved further afield to areas like Shadwell because it's on the DLR with quick access to Bank and Canary Wharf. It didn't stay cheap for long and even though there are still some grotty estates (as there are all over London) they're throwing up swanky apartments all over the show. These are not the white no-go areas you are hoping to portray. What next, Hackney?
Did I say there are white no-go areas? No. Whites are the minority population in Whitechapel and Shadwell, you must be blind if you think otherwise.
And I certainly don't need a history lesson on the east end from the likes of you.
HayDay's right, there are more obvious places you could have chosen, maybe you don't know them. But rather than get into an argument about who's got the bigger shed, why are you highlighting the colour of people's skin anyway, why is it significant to you?
This popcorn is tasting particularly delicious tonight! The sight of ignorant racists like Burneside and FredCliffe getting roasted is very satisfying.
Well it's certainly looking that way burneside, bringing it up reveals your preoccupation with it. And in the context of FredBasset's proud declaration of his racism you're hardly distancing yourself from him. Go on, I dare you to deny it.
I am for Trident with leaders like Putin it may just make him think twice if he ever contemplates a nuclear strike.