General Discussion
Why would anyone want Leadsom, a comparative novice, when you could have May who has a wealth of experience in Government? Right now this country needs strong leadership and this is about so much more than just negotiations with the EU, there is far more to governing than just that. I would hate us to end up with someone who might, possibly, be great at Brexit stuff, but pretty useless at everything else because they don't have a clue. We need someone who can take over from Cameron and keep EVERYTHING going, not just negotiations with Europe. Of course those on the Brexit side can and should be involved in negotiations, but this is about being PM and we need someone strong, capable and experienced in that role because the next few years is going to be tough enough without us having a clueless and inexperienced person at the helm.
It is beyond me that you consider May to be an able and competent senior politician. Her scandal ridden reign at the Home Office has been an unmitigated disaster, the only experience she has is of failure. Our borders are leaking like a sieve because of her astounding incompetence. She is an expert at promoting herself, but is wholly without substance.
A couple of days ago The Telegraph published a highly critical appraisal of her time at the Home Office, her campaign managers successfully pressured for its quick removal; doesn't that just speak volumes about May and her entourage? Fortunately the article has surfaced elsewhere on the net, and it doesn't make for pleasant reading, I can see why she wanted it pulled pretty damn quick.
http://order-order.com/2016/07/02/read-full-article-pulled-telegraph-pressure-may-campaign/
Can you point us towards the evidence that confirms that it was Theresa Mays "team" that forced the Torygraph to delete the opinion piece on their website?
Ironic that the writer of the piece is keen to highlight May's failures re immigration. Considering he's an immigrant himself.
That all said, all of the Tory contestants were truly vile people. And I mean "vile" in the real world - not in the pathetic fantasy world where some posters on here use that word. God (etc) help us all.
There was a link in the original story:
http://order-order.com/2016/07/02/telegraph-pulled-article-critical-theresa-may-campaign-pressure/
Incidentally, the author of the piece is Anglo-American, having been born and educated in London. You do like to bend the truth, don't you, Mrs C?
No evidence in that link.
However I do apologise (unlike some one here). It's his dad who is/was the immigrant. The irony is still there though.
Burnside, given the option between the 2 final candidates, then yes. I do consider May the better option.
Leadsom's views on Gay marriage alone should be enough to not let her anywhere near no 10. May isn't much better but Leadsom repeated her views just yesterday. Again a Christain forcing their views on others. The government should be secular especially in a multicultural society.
I could go into the pros and cons of both but to be honest that alone makes her from the dark ages.
A call for no confidence in the government should be made. Obviously all those in denial who never thought Brexit would come to pass are still unable to comprehend what the people have decided on.
We need a general election so the people can decide which party should be leading this country through the Brexit process. The conservaties are doing everything in their power to slow/stop this process taling place.
The choice of the next pm is between to neurotic, power hungry, old women! god help the country.
sexist, ageist and offensive - all in one short post. Congratulations!!
are you suggesting that two neurotic, power hungry, old men would be better?
Theresa May Yesterday, I launched my clean campaign pledge, and invite @AndreaLeadsom to join me in signing it -TM
DrColinW It is a little known fact that @timfarron fought his first General Election for the @LibDems when he was just 15
No, not a wind-up. Here are the results:
| General Election 1992: North West Durham[12][13] | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Party | Candidate | Votes | % | ± | |
| Labour | Hilary Armstrong | 26,734 | 57.8 | +6.9 | |
| Conservative | Theresa May | 12,747 | 27.6 | -0.8 | |
| Liberal Democrat | Tim Farron | 6,728 | 14.6 | -6.1 | |
Although Tim Farron only got just over half the votes of Theresa May (not bad for someone who was too young to vote for himself) that result was still closer than Andrea Leadsom managed this week.
Just saying...
Don't you mean the mood of the media, and the spiteful Tories who ganged-up on her? May's leadership will be a disaster in terms of Brexit.
I think you have misunderstood the mood of the country Gary, if it had been left to the people Leadsom would have won. Its been a disgraceful witchunt and media bullying. God help us with May and her love of Sharia Law !!!!
TM's words taken out of context perhaps?
I was listening to TM's (pre-Leadsom withdrawal) leadership bid speech this morning. I'll swear she said that the laws of the country over-ride any other laws (or words to the effect).
She has gone in the interest of the country. "A nine-week leadership campaign is highly underdesirable" she has said.
The sooner we all see that, the sooner we can move on.
"Brexit is Brexit", May says. Just don't mention the 'nasty party'.
I applaud her honesty and hope TM follows through on her promise, maybe Andrea Leadsom can be Chancellor and Deputy PM
Jewish law and courts also operate in this country as well as Sharia ones
Anyone know of any fundamentalist christian ones?
The apologists only call it bullying because one of their own is on the receiving end, they happily dish it out otherwise. Leadsom has gone because she isn't up to scrutiny, not for altruistic or honorable reasons. She lied on her CV (which contary to what Anne Marie Morris says is not okay) and she's a tax avoider, which while not illegal is meant to be at odds with the 'mood' of the honest tax paying public. Her words about motherhood were snide and when they backfired she cried foul. She was already out of her depth and if she'd become PM she'd have fallen at every hurdle along the way.
The country has ended up with Theresa May by default because all the blaggers in the Leave campaign don't have the calibre or backbone to see the job through. The oh so patriotic generals all bailed because the best interests of the country were never their motive in the first place. Of course all the blowhards won't admit they were mugs to line up behind them, they'll just blame the miserable outcome on May being a Remain supporter.
Not me Burneside, I think I'll be alright thank you. It's you I'm worried about, you're still thinking the little man has stuck one up the Establishment. How sweet.
May in her inaugural Downing Street speech setting out her stall for the less advantaged.
Pragmatic. If she gives to the less advantaged then not only do they gain but they might also vote Conservative. Win.win.
I know, I know, we will have to see if she can deliver what she has said she wishes to have happen.
But she has power (unlike other political la la land messianic individuals).
Question - In a supposedly democratic country how have we ended up with a non-elected PM.
Her party didnt vote for her, the government of the day or the Queen didnt vote for her, and the people in the street certainly didnt.
Didnt see the job advertised anywhere either
When Gordon Brown succeeded Blair as Prime Minister, Theresa May taunted him and said he should call an election to obtain a mandate for his premiership. May now insists she is staying put until 2020. Hypocrite.
Anyone paying attention knows that old chestnut, which is why May said at the outset that there would be no early election. So when Leadsom said the same was that okay?
Don't worry Burneside, we've got Boris in charge of foreign affairs!
I'm sure that Theresa May isn't setting him up for yet another great fall... 😂
I nearly choked when I heard about Boris's appointment. But then I thought about it...........and smiled to myself..........
Great news that BoJo is the new Foreign Secretary. A person that knows a lot about foreign affairs, has a rep for getting things done aith few jokes along the way. Great choice by the PM.
Also David Davis as Brexit minister, he was a brexiteer so that makes a lot of sense.
Seems a lot of the work that that the Foreign Office would normally do is in the process of being hived off to two new departments - Brexit and International Trade.
So Boris's role as Foreign Sec has been diminished and not quite as it might have at first appeared to be.
All the world's a stage - and Boris will now bathe in its limelight. Expect him to be both entertaining and gaffe prone in every one of his six foreign languages.
But behind Boris Johnson will be Dave Davis, with a different sort of slapstick altogether. If these two can't sort out a Brexit deal it will not be another stilletto they should fear - but a kitten heel.
Yes - nice move TM.
BTW With Boris as Foreign Sec. and Liam Fox as Sec. of State for International Trade both will
be out of the country a lot. That'll restrict any scheming they might be tempted to get up to.
Taking on Boris shows May, in appearance, as a more credable PM to some of those who voted to leave, but I would think it is more tactical than putting together a more balanced cabinet.
Don't think that because a lot of us voted out of the E.U. we are going to have an easy exit transion, if any, with many of those who voted remain at the head of the goverment instituition.
As they say, time will tell, a long time by the look of it.
I don't know why you think Boris and Fox will be scheming, but really, with today's communications technology you can be on another continent and do all the scheming you like.
You Leadsom supporters would not be calling for an election if she'd kept her backbone instead of burying her tax return. (Seriously, had you just been watching The Hudsucker Proxy before you decided making her PM was a good idea?)
Careful what you wish for with that general election though. Brexit only means Brexit while TM is PM. If I was a Labour MP who was unhappy with Corbyn I would be mobilising my fellow MPs to split and form the official Opposition and I'd be making an alliance with the SNP, Lib Dems and NI parties on a manifesto pledge to remain in the EU. Yes, there is plenty of buyers remorse out there, not everyone who voted for Brexit is scared of foreigners outperforming them, some actually believed there would be no economic disruption. And just to add a bit of showbiz I'd get David Miliband to stand in the Batley and Spen by election and lead the cavalry. That way middle England will think it's all been a bad dream and normal service will be resumed.
Meanwhile Brexiters should still feel very nervous about Article 50 because until it's triggered there's all to play for. Tick tock.
I guess the deluded Remoaners have to cling onto something to give themselves comfort, but as May is clearly going to PM for the next four years then Brexit is going to happen. The penny will drop one day, but until then they can have their fantasy.
Ooh catchword alert, you've upgraded from Remainiacs to Remoaners. Not heard that one, arf arf.
Just to point out that whilst the country voted to Brexit nowhere on the ballot paper did it say what Brexit would look like.
Just as the Remainers may have voted to remain for different reasons so too, I strongly suspect, did the Brexiteers have differing reasons for wanting to leave.
So, when those differing reasons aren't met? or get compromised?
I wonder how the disaffected, disappointed, and disillusioned Brexiteers will react?
This just in from Lady T's Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, writing exclusively (and now diplomatically) for Private Eye:
There was an old fellow from Ankara
Who was attacked by the army with Tankerers.
They attempted a coup, ended up in the stew,
Leaving the democratically elected President Erdogan back in control
For which we give half-hearted thankerers.
International crisis solved.