General Discussion

You beat me to it Gary - I was also going to post that cartoon.

Oh and btw on page 22 of the same paper did you see that Nigel Farage is quoted as saying that Vote Leave's campaign claiming that £350m per week could be diverted from the EU to the NHS "was a mistake". 

Oh really?

Well, well, fancy that.

I wonder what other 'mistakes' will come to light? 

https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/1356895210991280/?pnref=story

Thanks Roberta. I've been looking for reasons to be more positive since the result - and this from Digby Jones will help.

Along with probably 16 million other decent people in this country, I nearly threw my television set out of the window in rage and disgust when I heard Nigel Farage's 'victory' speech yesterday. Then came the shameless lie (as if we didn't know) about the 350 million for the NHS.

The man has acheived what he set out to do - for the good of the country he should now retire to his bunker.

The writing on the leave bus was in fact two seperate statements

Nowhere did it say that the £350 million would be spent entirely on the NHS

Everybody needs to remain calm and positive. Farage was not the voice of the official Leave camp and people need to realise that.He is not an MP. Digby Jones sums it up perfectly. Let the dust settle and Im sure evrything will become clearer.

Granted Farage was not the leader of the Leave camp Roberta, but it was his divisive campaining that won the day. Boris Johnson and Micheal Gove have since responded more thoughtfully to the pain many will be feeling - but there is much, much more that will need to be done for us to become a nation more comfortable with itself.

That was supposed to help, Fred?

@FredBassett

Oh! Silly, silly, silly, voters.

Now why on earth didn't they realise that?

Anyone?

I think the bus was clearly saying let's spend the 350 million (that wasn't ever 350 million) on the NHS. No full stop at the end of the word week and let's doesn't start with a capital letter. Clearly one statement.

Oh and by the way don't suppose anyone else saw Newsnight last night did they?

A Tory 'Leave' MEP was on and he said that the Leave group. although they won the referendum, recognised that it was quite a close call. Therefore to recognise this they would try to negotiate some things with the EU that would keep the Remainers happy. He thought one thing should be access to the EU market. There is only one problem with that (for Leavers that is). And the problem is this. Access to the EU open market neccesitates free movement of labour. If you want one, you have to have the other.

Take note!        

Not all leavers made immigration an issue Lynne, that was way down my list.

Maybe not Roberta - but I'd bet a dollar (not a pound) that for a lot of 'em it was the main issue.

Don't suppose the UKIPPERS would be too impressed by such an outcome.

And to change tack slightly although on the same subject (ie outcome of the referendum).

I have already stated that there will now be a move to the Right within the Tory party. 

Heard of a Tory MP called Priti Patel? She is a rising star within the Right wing of the Tory party. She will end up with a ministerial post of some kind or another.

The reason I mention her in particular is that she has already stated that Britain should halve the current protections offered to workers in this country.  

Oh what delights await us all (not!) 

Can we all stop assuming what is going to happen. At present nobody really knows, it unchartered territory

The Remainiacs are now clamouring for a second referendum, seems democracy doesn't sit too well with them, are we supposed to keep voting until they achieve the "right" result?

And that says it all.

I think it is an odds on certainty that the Right wing of the Tory party will take over.

And they will marginalise UKIP.

And Nigel will not be a happy man.

And on the subject of Nige.

When he first thought that Remain had won he started on about how it was unfair that the deadline for

registering for a vote had been extended (remember the website crashed).

Then he found out that Leave had won and we haven't heard a dicky bird about this unfairness since.

Now, surely if he thought the extension was unfair at, say, 10.05pm on Thursday evening then he should still have been of the

same mind some hours later. And should be of the same mind now.

Anyone heard anything from him on this matter lately?

No?

Thought not.

Why was it ok to speculate and assume before the referendum but now it isn't roberta? 

Lynne I always respect your contributions but at the moment I think you need to give it a rest, you will drive yourself mad in a minute, just calm down and wait and see, nobody knows what and if will happen. Leave it to the politicians who will have to sort it out, whoever it may be.

Roberta - note what 'S' has posted above.

Do you have an answer to his question?

PS Here's another bit of speculation - it is only a matter of time before many of those who voted

Leave turn against the politicians (Johnson and Gove mostly) who led the campaign. Why? Because those

politicians won't be able to deliver many things the Leave electorate voted for. 

We won you lost, get over it! 

@Gary Taylor. , you are obviously so incensed at the outcome of the referendum, then maybe, you might consider moving elsewhere to be with your chums. otherwise, give it a rest and suck it up.

@Garry T

Your behaving like one of those annoying little dogs that bark incessantly from morning till night. The vote is done and over and the party you support are still in the political wilderness. Moaning and groaning about the outcome is not helping any side move on. We all need to now get behind the elected government and encourage our next PM to lead us out of EU control and get the country moving foward and upward instead of stagnating under the financial grasp of the ellite. 

Well said Fred .

As usual Fred sums it up perfectly, well done and thank you. 

Crow all you like Margaret. But where is the Brexit plan?

BoJo and Gove didn't want or plan for this result, they just wanted power. Now they have it, let's see what they do with it. In the meantime our economy looks like it will tank - along with the exchange rate. Fill your car up quick - and cancel that foreign holiday.

And now Boris takes to the Daily Telegraph to write a letter to Santa. What sort of message will that deliver for our children when the Christmas tree is bare this year?

Unsurprisingly, there is no plan. They are trying to make one now. The EU have said no preliminary talks, they will talk when we trigger Article 50. 

Osbourne is planning an emergency budget whatever the Tories say.

I am not going to get over it, people made a poor decision based on misinformation.  We, the voters, have no say in the negotiations that will occur if we trigger Article 50. We will have to agree to a lot of things to get access to the single market. One will be to agree to free movement of people at some level. The main key issue throughout the quitters campaign.

Johnson and Gove have stuffed the UK (and themselves) and Nige is already whingeing about the official Leave camp backtracking on

immigration.

As I've said before. What many Leave voters thought they were voting for and what they will end up getting could be far, far, from the same thing.

PS Good job I thought to change quite a bit of sterling into Euros last Thursday eh? Phew! 

Jeremy Hunt considering putting his name forward for the leadership *shudder*

From the tv reports from areas that voted leave it seems that many did so because they thought leaving the EU would

mean money could go to their areas in order to economically regenerate them.

I heard this a lot from people 'up north'.

Wasn't HS2 supposed to help this Northern Power House idea?

Just seen on the news that the National Audit Office has said funding issues may mean HS2 will now be delayed.  

A party leader is needed who can bring about national reconciliation and progress.

My vote would go to Johnson.

Alan Johnson.

and on the subject of the Labour party

https://www.savinglabour.com/

I've been voting for over 30 years in this country and this is the first time. I believe, the people of this nation

have had a result that will actually benefit this country. It is also the first time, after a vote, that those that lost have

moaned and bitched so much about the result. Maybe now the politicians will have to work for their pay to get this

country back to its former glory.

The underlying principle of the E.U. was a good one, but it's a shame it became the poop in the pool because of

a group of parasitic, money/power grabbing, psycopathic, unelected officials.

Suck it up all you losers and get on with the rebuild. The people have spoken.

In the current world view, Purrrrrfect, we are all in this country losers. Try sucking that up.

I will not suck it up and will not stop "moaning". I don't believe it is the right decision for the country. For about the millionth time the unelected officals line is not true if you actally look at how the EU is run.

Everything the leave voters think they voted for will soon be forgotten

Hmm now..........let us say that the result had been the same numbers and % wise but around the other way.

Does anyone honestly believe that the Brexiteers would have shut up? Of course they wouldn't have.

They'd have been bleating for another referendum and claiming foul practices within minutes of the result being announced.    

@Lynne Farage starting saying that at start of the results coming in as he was worried they were going to lose. 

But your metaphor, Purrrrrfect, about the about the current state of the EU rings true. If you had Jean-Claude Juncker in mind when you wrote about the poop in the pool, I believe you would be pushing at an open door for many in this country.

You have stated that the underlying principle of the EU was a good one - and it is to these founding principles we should look during any Brexit negotiations. We will need a good cross-party team at the table and it is to this end the debate continues now. 

Hold tight - it's going to be a very bumpy ride.

And the ride will not be helped by Farage behaving in the way he did yesterday at the European parliament! 

Quite, Lynne.

I understand the far-right Marine Le Pen stood up to applaud his toxic rhetoric - but no other. He has as few friends abroad as he has now in this country - but for a man who thrives on hate that will be of no concern to him.

So DC has now also joined the chorus for JC to go.

But before any accusation of reverse psychology, here is what our outgoing PM actually said about the continuing refusal of the Labour leader to resign despite the overwhelming pressure being placed upon him by his fellow Labour party MPs:

"... it might be in my party's interest, but it is not in the country's interest... for Heaven's sake man, GO!"

This is what Nigel Farage said about a 2nd Referendum when he thought Remain were going to win and if the difference in the vote was as close as 52%/48%

 "The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

Right then Nige- you still up for a second referendum? 

And lo and behold! There is a petition for a 2nd referendum. Lots of info below. All Remainers please sign and circulate. I'm sure Nige

will understand after all he did advocate such a thing had Leave lost.   

And talking of reverse psychology, is this now being played out in the Conservative leadership challenge?

Pro-Remain MP Liz Truss has just come out in favour of BoJo for PM. Is her support a ringing endorsement of his perceived ability to deliver the Brexit package the country has demanded - and which would (assumedly) be put to country at a general election? Or is it that she expects (as DC did in his own efforts at the EU negotiation table) that he will come up short? Theresa May (her erstwhile co-remainer) would then be in line to pick up the crown.

I should at this point declare an interest in both having a sporting bet on Theresa May and (in another life) having voted for her as an MP - but really, is it too much to ask our politicians to put the future of our country for once before Machiavellian opportunism and party skullduggery?

OK, so here's Dave in full flow...

https://twitter.com/i/moments/748049813720141825

(Scroll down to 2nd frame for sound)

Second referendum, do you really want a civil war?

It wouldn't be the first time, lordDC.

Well Nige was up for one (second referendum). 

And another thing, oh irony of ironies. Do you know that the petition in question was started off

by a Brexiteer when it was thought that Leave would lose.

True! 

(do a search on the name William Oliver Healey)

OK, emails sent to MPs A-MM, Mel Stride and Dr Sarah Wollaston.

Here's hoping for a fair and transparent contest. After all, stranger things have happened this week.

Ben Bradshaw next - but before then we need to know who will stand against JC. Or can he walk on water at a general election?

Did I miss why you are sending these MPs an emails?

In your previous life, why did you vote for her rather than a Lib Dem candidate?

There are no leaders in the Conservative party. I have contacted AMM 3 times and never got a response not that I was expecting one as it was about how she was planning to vote in the Commons. 

The only MP I have ever had a response from is Younger Ross when he was MP.

I reappraised my political centre of gravity Morty, during the period the country was governed by the Conservative / Lib Dem coalition. I voted for Mel Stride in 2010 but I was impressed by the determination of the Lib Dems to restrain the worst excesses of Conservative social and economic policy between 2010 and 2015, despite some wounding encounters (Proportional Representation and Uni Fees) along the way.

Seems I was swimming against the political tide at the time (I know, I was warned) but I am sure this country would have been in a far better place today if we had continued to benefit from just such a restraint over the last twelve months. Shame there wasn't a tick for 'more of the same' in 2015 - but we've just had a vote along those lines and look where that's got us...

C'est la vie.

Yawnnnnnnnnn! 

Stop press: 

Hi Gary

Wow. She doesn't even have the courtesy to call her colleague by her full name. Vile woman. 

PS Gary, thanks for answering my question so frankly. 

She may be coy about who she will support, but like you, I am surprised about how curt she has been about her colleague in this response.

I would not expect the same from Mel Stride, who I would consider has conducted himself with dignity in the run up and analysis of this most divisive referendum campaign.

I'm not surprised that AMM is looking for "someone who has their heart in it". Would a 'remainer' have their heart

in any negotiations? Doubt it.

AMM is a Brexiter. She will be looking for a Brexiter. 

But Mel Stride and Sarah Woolaston may have a different approach given as both were Remainers.

That much is plain Lynne. But who on the Conservative benches would you give the job to?

#AnyoneButBoris

It has to be Johnson.  Everyone deserves to see him squirm when he has to explain why he can't deliver on his promises.   Anyone else is set up to fail.  

I agree that if anyone should carry the can for leading us up the garden path and back again it should be this joker. But I would still want the best person for the job at the negotiation table.

#AnyoneButBoris

Thanks Gary for posting AMM response - another example of why I don't like her!

Boris would end up delivering more for the Remain camp than he would for Brexit.    

Machiavelli would be proud of you, Hay Day.

In fact he could well find a reason not to exercise Article 50.

Kat Black Retweeted BBC Breaking News

Kat Black added,

I'd be tee heeing all over the place if it wasn't for the mess the ********** clowns Johnson and Gove have gotten us into!

Andrea Leadsom for me

With these turn of events maybe Boris will wrongfoot everyone and not stand - saves him having to face the scrutiny and have his hypocrisy exposed.

Well Hayday, you called that one. Do you have the lottery numbers for next week?

I wonder how many Brexit voters are feeling like they've been had. 

"Been had", not a bit yet, job has been done and I'm glad to see that (at the moment), the tories are dealing with their leadership battle in a much more civilised and less arrogant way than labour especially Corbyn. Some people on here didn't want to see Boris as PM anyway so there's a bonus surely or is it a case of just waiting for the daily Lynne and Gary moan show regardless of what happens because the original decision didn't go their way!

What a surprise!! He doesn't want to be one to trigger Article 50 in truth.

He was hoping for a narrow Remain win and Cameron to resign because of it. Then to become PM but doesn't want it in these circumstances. He was only campaigning for Leave because Cameron was in the Remain camp.

Well I guess it'll be a toss up between 'We won you lost, suck it up'  or  'You won, we all lose. Suckers.'

Time will tell.  

Here here Dil

I think I would rather Boris as PM than Gove or May  Please definitely not Gove anyway!!

@Dil and anyone else for that matter.

If you don't like what I write then don't read my posts.

& Johnson has now been shown to be what he truly is - a p*****k.

So Dil, are you for a democratic vote or not? 

Because whatever your opinion of Corbyn's effectivensss, he was elected with 250,000 votes.   Angela Eagle got 25,000 votes in the General Election so why does her or her colleagues' 'vision' count for more?  Surely a political party is 'owned' by its members not its MPs.  Shouldn't Corbyn be voted out by the Labour Party members, not ordered out by colleagues?  

Lynne, I think you've misunderstood the rules.    If you don't like other people's posts you need to 'Do one'.   If others don't like yours you need to 'Shut up'.    End of.  

@Mcjrpc - thank you for explaining the 'rules'. 

(and I doubt very much that it will be 'end of') 

I'm not a Labour voter but I hope Corbyn hangs on and doesn't resign. That will be any true left-leaning opposition in this country gone. Eagle's constituents have now asked her to resign as their MP over all this. I can't see anyone beating Corbyn in a leadership battle.

@Mcjrpc - yes i am for a democratic vote but some of labour don't appear to understand that and corbyn could try to do a better job about it than displaying arrogance. i have been a labour voter some time ago and would still not be swayed back with corbyn at the helm. he doesn't deliver anything with passion or commitment as was shown in his contribution to the referendum and it's result.  this would be my issue in the future with him which i think possibly the labour membership may end up seeing sometime. if he is at a podium trying to deliver something and not seeming interested or commited is it because he isn't and he's just doing it because he feels he has to or is it just because he isn't very good at his delivery, that is the problem. if he wins in the challenge then so be it, but i don't think it would help them win a general election, but then depending who you are there may or may not be one soon!

I think this highlights everything about the referendum https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale. Ebbw Vale has been regenerated by EU funding and that investment is now bringing in jobs (well maybe not now!). It appears most people voted to Leave in this town due to immigration which is not even a problem in Ebbw Vale. Would the government have spent this kind of money on Ebbw Vale over the years or just left it to rot? So many people have screwed themselves.

... and no I'm not going to get over it!

I still dont understand why folk are so p*******d off at the end of the day we are a democracy and the people voted to leave now right or wrong we just have to get on with it, now it effects my life little one way or the other but i wonder if the result had been different if we would have had all this fuss.  On reflection i wonder if we have a younger generation who are used to getting there own way and are a generation of bad losers. 

If may affect your life little in one way or another but it is quite likely to affect the lives of others in quite a few ways and not

necessarily in positive ways. 

Do not forget that the vote was split 52/48.

There are an awful lot of 48ers out there.

(and yes, had the result been the other way around but with the same margin of difference would the Brexiteers and UKIP have been making a fuss? Of course they would!)  

If the campaigns had been run with truthful statements and stats to back up all claims I would not have a problem with losing. It is fact the leavers lied throughout their campaign that really annoys me. That Guardian article highlights how people were brainwashed. Someone can say immigration is a problem and the EU hasn't done anything for them even when they have no experience of the former and have experience of the opposite of the latter.

I am not saying all leavers were duped because there were some that looked into the facts and decided that way, that is fair enough. 

You are seeing already that promises are being backed away from. The Tory leader candidates are saying drivel about them getting what we want out the negotiations with the EU which none of them will get. Boris and DC have the right idea, back away slowly ...

Every election, bye election, every time we are asked to vote we are lied to are we not, they all lie so why is everyone making a fuss thats what politicians do they lie my tip for the day "never never trust a politician they lie" I didn't listen to anybody i decided for myself as i saw fit and what i thought was best for Great Britain and what ever the outcome i would have been satisfied that the people off this great country had made the correct choice.  

Oh, and the remain campaign spoke nothing but the truth throughout? Please! We made out choices now let's get on with the job and become a great country once again without being told what to do and when by overpaid losers in Brussels. 

Just been looking at some online comments about the referendum, the result, and the fall out so far. I came across this:

"Yes,Leave won and now they have to deliver what people think they were promised. In absence of a proper brexit plan people will refer back to the implicit and explict promises made during the campaign.

Sadly, what those who voted Leave end up getting may be far from what many Leave voters thought they were voting for"  

I

Of course the Remain campaign lied, just not as much as the Leave campaign ;-)  Well at least the Remain campaign didn't splatter it across a bus ...

I said if you looked at the facts then fair enough whichever way you voted. You hear the reasons now why people voted to leave and they are weak and exactly what the media etc fed them.

It is called confirmation bias, you believe what fits your world view, this is what most people want to hear when the politicians speak. Politicians know this, they don't need facts. When people, in general, can learn not to fall for this you will get better politicians until then the people get what the people deserve.

The country was great last week in the EU and I am sure it will great in the future. 

They all lied from IT WILL CAUSE WORLD WAR 3 if we leave, to spending money on the NHS in fairness the slogan on the bus is not incorrect its just clever advertising it doesnt say how much we should spend its like many adds we see on a daily basis that mean one thing but say another.

The 350 million figure was wrong

Making Britain 'great' again is rhetorical.  Am interested to know what it specifically means to those of you that say it's not great now.    I'm not talking about economics, just qualities.

Don't hold your breath in expectation of a constructive answer to that one from the Quitters. 

And we won't get one from you Mrs C as you rarely offer constructive comment on this site! For rarely read never. 

See the remainers and obsolete Lib Dems are still moaning and groaning on here, what sad boring lives you all must lead.

Get a grip the EU is finished and we need to end our membership quickly. The only bad thing about the referendum result is that the Conservatives are still in power. when by right the glory should have been UKIPs finest hour. Never mind though hopefully Andrea Leadsom will make a fine leader and PM.

Wonder whats happening on Plantation Terrace now the FTSE has boomed to its highest level since 2014?

It only takes a click on someone's user profile to see the calibre of their 'constructive comments' so maybe pick a fight at a better time... 

Fred- I respect your right to be a proud racist but can you fill me in on how that squares with your claim to be a Christian?    How many RE classes did you turn up for? 

Anyway, back to the question, what are the qualities that are currently lacking in this once great country?    Paul, Purrrfect, Burneside, Roberta - any takers?

UKIPs finest hour? They couldn't find their arse with both hands. 

Racism motivation attacks up 400% in the space of a week. 

Fred's a Christian? Really? I am surprised!

What has religion got to do with either side winning the referendum this isent Northern Ireland we are talking about. Catholics V Protestants.

As for Racism attacks up 400% well show me any immirgrants or migrants that have been murdered in cold blood on our streets like Lee Rigby was. You really need to stop watching the BBC and channel 4 news, havent they spun you enough lies recently.

Thing is what do the PC brigade class as a racist attack. Mcjrcp thats one of the qualities now lacking, Freedom of speech. Calling a spade a spade isent rasism its fact. Do you really want the likes of Adam Choudry and Sharia law for this country. More missing qualities are Pride and Respect. Again due to the PC brigade we have a generation brought up without disipline because parents, teachers, employers and the police etc arent allowed to do anything to deter against ferral behavior. Eventually we will need to bring back national service, 2 years of learning how to become a decent citizen.

A typically dogged response to the question, Fred.

Then there is of course the new low point in cynicism and the deceit of the public:

Douglas Carswell Confronted By ‘Played’ Preston Woman On Brexit £350m For NHS

‘I’m starting to think that I’ve been played.’

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-question-douglas-carswell-preston-woman-350m-nhs-figure_uk_57761975e4b0f7b55794e9c7?

Oh, and good news Roberta and Fred. Anne-Marie Morris has come out in favour of your chosen candidate:

@Fred did you copy and paste that from the Britain First website and that is the sort of rubbish they post.

Sharia Law? Exactly how would that happen?

Because these increased attacks haven't resulted in murder that is ok. Why don't you condemn those attacks first? That is not PC that is Humanity!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/674489/Home-Secretary-Theresa-May-says-Britain-benefits-Sharia-Law

@S

If you really want an answer to the question re - sharia law and you honestly believe that its supporters dont pose a significant threat to this countries stability and security. Then I suggest you visit the areas of London at night dressed in ordinary western civilised clothes where the muslim gangs already rule and you ask them in person how they are going to impose it here.

Dont hesitate to come back on with your findings.

I suppose you also think having three wifes under the age of sixteen and the rape of twelve year old girls is acceptable in this country, because if you do then your part of the problem.

Interesting link, Roberta. This also from the same source:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/684130/Jeanine-Hennis-Plasschaert-Brexit-European-Union-Brussels-Martin-Schulz

I don't condone any of that. I get the feeling that whatever I say you will say I do.

I'm not sure if you mean Sharia Law  ecoming he law of the land or just pockets of areas being ran with Sharia Law although not the law?

I'll assume the latter for now.

These issues need tackling but to jump to Sharia Law in this country is ridiculous. What would need to happen for that to happen? The first major thing would be the vast majority of Muslims to actually agree what Sharia Law is. As with all religious texts they are a matter of interpretation. The vast majority if not all of the Commons and Lords would need to be Muslim oh and the Queen.

* sorry for the differet sized text it wasn't intential

BTW Fred, The FTSE 100 may have rebounded by 10%, but it is now 10% cheaper to buy UK listed shares (in international currency terms) than it was just ten days ago. It should also be borne in mind that the FTSE 100 comprises mostly global companies with income streams around the world. Its rise is a poor reflection of the current state of UK plc.

Take a look instead at what is happening in the FTSE 250 which is far more GB-centric...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-ftse-100-250-brexit-eu-referendum-recovery-a7111156.html

I would also suggest that this recent rise is more to do with the likelihood of a 'unity' candidate becoming PM that anything else. What the country least needs now following the self-immolation of Boris Johnson is for the flames to be fanned further by the likes of Gove - or any other hi-octane Brexitter.

The economy and markets will not be stable for at least the next two years until there is confidence and certainty in our trade deals.  It was barely a year ago that the deficit and achieving a stable economy was at the forefront of the general election debate and the electorate was prepared to put up with cuts in services to achieve that.   Well that's all out of the window now.   The only certainty is that the little man will pay an even bigger price.

On the plus side, look at all the highly paid job vacancies that will arise sorting out all the bureaucracy and red tape for some new bureaucracy and red tape.  

On Sharia Law again let's hope we never follow the Christian biblical law because that is just as barbaric.

Not sure whether to advise people to buy gold or sell it right now.

Certainly its price per ounce has risen considerably since I checked but a few weeks back.

Andrea Leadsom wasn't she accused of avoiding tax?

@S - I am sure lots of s**t will now be found on all the candidates.

As will misquotes and things taken out of context etc  all of which will be duly regurgitated by the press.

Anyone wish to wager a bet that the Express is not supporting Teresa May?  

@S is this what you had in mind?

• Revealed: how City minister Andrea Leadsom used ...

  www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-how-city-minister...

  Andrea Leadsom, the new City minister, used controversial trusts to reduce her potential tax bill and took advantage of offshore banking arrangements for her buy-to ...

   

• New Treasury minister faces questions over tax ...

  www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/...andrea-leadsom-tax-arrangements

  The new Tory Treasury minister Andrea Leadsom has insisted she received no taxadvantages from making use of offshore banking services, holding properties through a ...

   

• Top Tory has family link with offshore banker who gave ...

  www.theguardian.com/.../jul/08/andrea-leadsom-family-links-offshore...

  Financial services minister Andrea Leadsom's brother-in-law also gave £1m to other rightwing causes An offshore financier who is the brother-in-law of financial ...

Our MP, Anne Marie Morris, has declared her support for the above candidate to be the next leader of the

Conservative Party and Prime Minister.

Yes.

And she seems to be on first name terms with this lady.

Now we have site to record racist or xenophobic abuse in public due to the increase of such incidents recently http://www.istreetwatch.co.uk/about

Back on one of the many different Leave or Remain threads I seem to remember my expressing my 

concerns that elements of the Brexit campaign concerning immigrants to this country, might end up 

opening a not very nice Pandora's Box.......

And on the other side of the coin, in my work place, if anybody admits to having voted Leave the abuse they receive is quite staggering.

At least they have the nerve to do it to your face...

Is the abuse you're getting equal to the racist abuse that we've seen recorded and shared on social media? Is being called a nasty Little Englander worse than being told to "f*** off back to your own country you p*** b******."? In your parallel universe, maybe. 

I wasn't talking about myself Mrs C, my colleagues know better than to f*ck with me, but the bullying of others has been quite disgraceful.

And do you say something to support your colleagues being ridiculed?

@S. Lol no, he's clearly the Godfather. 

Of the knitting circle mafia...

Time for a unity opposition leader? The nation awaits...

Got anyone in mind?

Ben Bradshaw speaks very well...

Sorry thousands of people going back to the Labour due to Corbyn and the PLP want to throw him out. Absolute fools! Who actually votes in general elections? The same people who are joining the party to support Corbyn. A time when the Tories are in turmoil the PLP decide to fall apart and not listen to the actual people. 

Yes I agree that thousands of people are going back to Labour due to Corbyn.

But that doesn't necessarily make them supporters of Corbyn.......

@Gary Taylor - Yes, have to say I am a Ben Bradshaw fan. If I lived in Exeter, no doubt about it, I would vote for him.

@Lynne i heard a lot of them were joining to support Corbyn

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/PLP_Chair_John_Cryer_We_call_on_Exeter_MP_Ben_Bradshaw_to_support_Jeremy_Corbyn_as_Party_Leader/?pv=0

@S - I said what I said above because I know for a fact of people who are (re)joining the Labour Party

in the hope that they can help vote Corbyn out.

I also know of Labour party members who gave him the benefit of the doubt before. But not now.

He may be a man of principle and all sorts of other things but I for one do not see him as being a leader who 

can take the Labour Party back into government.

Is he Prime Minister material?  IMHO he is not even Leader of the Opposition material. 

We need a different opposition. He isn't your conventional leader no. Labour will end up a centre maybe even a slightly right leaning political party just to get elected. That is not how it is meant to be.

Labour should be telling everyone why the Labour principles are right for this country not changing them to get elected.

I have never voted for Labour but I was considering it with Corbyn as leader but after how the MPs have behaved I don't think I can.

Depends what you want. A party in opposition or a party that has power because it is in government.

I do not believe that Corbyn's version of the Labour party would ever get enough seats to be in government.

To get enough seats to form a government you have to pull in the centre voters, and the flip/flop voters.

I do not believe they would ever vote for a Labour party led by Corbyn.

For me, this is the 1980s all over again. Then it was Tony Benn the Left adored. Now it is JC.  

Corbyn's version of the Labour party is the Labour party.  I agree the party needs to more centred, maybe, but getting rid of Corbyn is not the answer. Whilst the Tories are in turmoil they should be united and taking advantage. There is time to reassess the leadership later if need be.

I don't trust him, he has a plan. There is no way he will go away quietly, he likes the spotlight too much. Haven't we been here twice before where we thought he had gone? The party was created to get us out of Europe so in theory the party's job is done.

That is Johnson, Farage and Cameron out when the going gets tough ... if only Gove would **** off too.

https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/posts/10153803921486317

Get your bets in quick for Farage's next adventure http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=2605854 - it is interesting that they think it is 10 times more likely for Farage to be the next England manager than it was for Leicester to win the Premier League :-)

Chris Evans has gone now 'n all.

I have only watched one and a half shows because he has turned Top Gear into TFI Friday

Just been watching a Place in the Sun and all those lovely villas in Spain that lots of Brits retire to.

I wonder how many plans have now been put on hold by Brits thinking of relocating there for their twilight years.

Amongst other issues would be that of the state pension. Think I'm right that if Brits retire to EU countries then as their state

pensions increase so they get the increase. Whereas if they retire to commonwealth countries their state pension gets frozen. It

never increases.

Wonder if that will now be the case for all ex pat retirees in the EU?

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-you-retire-abroad/rates-of-state-pension  

Lynne again nothing is going to happen at the moment and their will be Im sure several things regarding EU migrants in this country and immigrants from Britain being taken into consideration. Andrea Leadsom has already stated this if she becomes PM

But it might be the case in the not too distant future and as nothing is known at the moment I think it quite likely that there are

Brits who have just put their retirement relocation plans on hold for the time being.

And the thing is......if you are old enough to be retiring/retired then time isn't exactly on your side, is it?

Whoever becomes prime minister of this country they can only determine the fate of EU immigrants in this country. They will have no say whatsoever about the fate of Brits who presently live in the other EU countries.

BTW from what I can gather Andrea Leadsom is to the Right within the Conservative Party. Not sure how the less well off in this

country will benefit from having the Right wing of the Conservative Party in charge.

Que sera sera we cant change a bloody thing. The Tory Gov was voted in and that will stay, just got to get over grieving and move on, Im optimistic that after a difficult period life will get back to normal, and this period will be consigned to history

Would have been nice if there had been a plan though, don't you think?

Or even several plans for that matter - then we could all have seen what the options were.

Which reminds me I must email Anne Marie Morris. On the Sunday politics show the other week she swore there was a plan. Anyone seen it yet?

Why plan? Better to just wing it after ;-) at least we have our country back

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