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13 Jun 2016 13:42
Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
13 Jun 2016 13:45

Open letter to the Dawlish Gazette:

 

In last Wednesday’s Gazette, Central Devon MP Mel Stride explained why in the forthcoming referendum he favours remaining in the European Union. Although he is not uncritical of the EU, he says: "The choice on the ballot paper doesn't ask whether the EU is perfect, how flawed it is or whether we love it or not - rather it asks whether our country will be better off staying within or saying farewell".

 

This view is reflected by the MP for Totnes, Dr Sarah Wollaston, who has recently quit the Leave campaign to vote Remain. Dr Wollaston - who chairs the health select committee - said the claim that Brexit would free up £350m a week for the NHS "simply isn't true". But while she has exposed the lie about a Brexit dividend, what should also be considered is that immigration has provided untold benefits in maintaining services within the NHS over the years.

 

We are yet to hear from our own MP Anne-Marie Morris, how leaving the EU [as she would wish] impact on already creaking local services, but one thing is for sure - the NHS would be in worse shape, unless deeper cuts followed elsewhere.

 

Vote Leave leaders admit to a short term shock to the economy following Brexit - but offer no guarantee things would get better. Without a clear way forward, confidence in the investment the country needs will diminish, raising the prospect of further recession.

 

There is little doubt that EU reform is needed, however such changes would seem best tackled from a position of strength, in partnership with those many nations who share our concerns and values.

 

The evidence is compelling - we would be stronger by continuing to remain within the European Union. Whether or not the United Kingdom agrees, we will know only too soon. 

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burneside
burneside
13 Jun 2016 14:12

What a load of baloney.  The EU is unreformable.  Cameron begged his way around the EU table recently, and came away with crumbs.  Brexit is the only answer, and then the EU will have an uphill struggle to prevent other nations from leaving too.  With or without Brexit, the EU is heading towards the rocks, I give it five years max.

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Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
13 Jun 2016 14:42

If that's the case Burneside, we might as well just sit on our hands for those five years. At least we'd be spared the economic shock that the Vote Leave leaders are admitting will result from Brexit.

S
S
13 Jun 2016 14:54

The Leave camp admit that there will be a shock and economists think it will take until 2030 to recover. What did you think those years will be like until we do recover? What do you think the government will do to try and aid recovery quicker?

burneside
burneside
13 Jun 2016 15:27

@Gary Taylor

I'd rather we get out now, with some kind of orderly exit, than wait until it all goes tits-up.

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Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
13 Jun 2016 17:10

Seems it's not only DC who is thinking the impossible about pensions. Here is what Vote Leave's IDS has had to say recently:

After resigning his post as work and pensions secretary, Iain Duncan Smith called for a rethink of the triple lock due to intergenerational unfairness.

He said: 'We have a triple lock on pensions which I was proud to do six years ago, but with inflation running at zero, we really need to look at things like this and ask “do we just keep saying it’s working age [people] who bear the brunt [of cuts].’

Paul
Paul
13 Jun 2016 22:54
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Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
14 Jun 2016 00:49

The same paper that said 'Freddie Starr Ate my Hamster'?

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Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
14 Jun 2016 06:59

Also saw this on Facebook. You know, a "copy and paste job". 😘

 

I think I've changed my mind about border control. I think we should close our borders completely now, for about a year. With any luck, that will stop the England fans coming back. I also think the French people should make it very clear that the English hooligans (and of course they will assume that all England fans are hooligans) aren't welcome there. So eventually all the England fans will end up sitting in makeshift accommodation in Calais waiting for their applications for citizenship to be processed.
 
Refugees? Why yes; I'd never thought of it like that. They'll be refugees. And then of course we can all point out that a large number of them are young men and not women or children, and speculate about how they're only coming here to spread their intolerance and violence throughout our otherwise peaceful and civilised society. And this time the point will be valid.
 
The other thing about these hooligans, of course, is that the large buildings in which they worship and in which their faith in their violent and divisive beliefs are intensified are everywhere in Britain now. So where are the campaigns to stop more football stadia being built?
 
Wait; this isn't fair. Most football fans are perfectly nice, decent, peaceful folk. Some of my best friends go to football matches. We can't be blaming the sport of football for what is obviously a bunch of violent arseholes looking for an excuse. What sort of idiot would see a small number of violent arseholes and assume that the entire culture they claim to represent is to blame?
Carer
Carer
14 Jun 2016 07:24

Well that's it then.

If the Sun says Out, then that is the way it will be.

 

Really, does anybody (apart from it brain dead readers) take any notice of that joke of a 'newspaper'?

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roberta
roberta
14 Jun 2016 08:22

Does this mean that Murdoch surprise supports Leave

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S
S
14 Jun 2016 09:29

I wonder how many of OUTers will be on here complaining about the Government in the next few years if we do actually leave the EU, about the fact the economy is in the toilet and they haven't done anything that they thought they would.

 

Wake up, being out of the EU will not solve all the problems. It just breeds uncertainty and that isn't good for the economy. 

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S
S
14 Jun 2016 09:36

Also, the BBC using Migrant Watch UK as an independent source for immigration stats "again" is disgraceful. 

 

roberta
roberta
14 Jun 2016 10:07

I would rather face uncertainty than what we do know we have faced in the last 41years

 

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S
S
14 Jun 2016 10:16

But we CAN change things inside the EU.

 

I wasn't alive in an era without the UK being in the EU so I can't say what it was like before but I know looking back 40+ years is not the way forward

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burneside
burneside
14 Jun 2016 10:27

And now the government has been accused of passing its contacts book to the Remain side so they can try to get businesses to influence their employees:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1277384/government-accused-of-manipulating-the-eu-referendum-vote-by-letting-remain-campaigners-raid-contacts-book/

Stunned company bosses have spoken of their shock at receiving begging emails from No 10 advisers asking them to sign a letter backing the Stronger In campaign and to give over details about their staff.

... One boss told the Sun: “I’m interested to know why they thought it was ok to share my email address with Stronger In without asking my permission.”

Cameron and the Remain camp are now so desperate they are haemorraging support for their lost cause, that they are resorting to every little dirty trick in the book.  I hope Cameron is packing his bags ready to vacate Downing Street on the 24th.

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S
S
14 Jun 2016 10:31

Say we leave the EU, who do you want to take the country into this new era?

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Paul
Paul
14 Jun 2016 11:11

@burneside, yeah with a swift kick up the backside as he walks out the door.

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roberta
roberta
14 Jun 2016 15:49

Im seeing posts  in the socialmedia from people who  have emigrated to Europe (why are they calledex-pats, surely they are immigrants) saying they are voting for remain, so why have they left the UK then ?? most have said they will never return and have been living there 10yrs or more. Why should they have a vote???

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b.o.liking
b.o.liking
14 Jun 2016 16:18

It strikes me that all the parties have said we cannot manage without the E.U. then it stands that if we choose to 

leave, then these politicians will be unable to govern the decision of the people.

My hunch is the E.U.politicians will not accept an Exit from Europe Be Warned.

S
S
14 Jun 2016 16:35

I can't believe I am saying this but I agree with you roberta. You get a vote if you left the country in the last 15 years, this is crazy to me.

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Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
14 Jun 2016 20:19

I persoanlly don't believe that they should be allowed to vote in any UK election or referendum.  However as it stands they are, and it's understandable why they might more understand the benefits of us being in the EU than the demographic that The Sun is appealing to would do. 

 

Are foreign nationals currently living in the UK allowed to vote in this referendum? I guess not, but does anyone know?

S
S
14 Jun 2016 21:09

From the BBC ...

 

British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK, along with UK nationals living abroad who have been on the electoral register in the UK in the past 15 years. Members of the House of Lords and Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible, unlike in a general election. Citizens from EU countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote.

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
14 Jun 2016 21:14

Who says the Germans don't have a sense of humour? This from 'Der Spiegel'...

 

 Image result for brexit cartoon

Paul
Paul
15 Jun 2016 06:43

George Osborne's threat today is, 'vote out and I'll cut £30B in an ad-hoc budget'.

Well you can threaten the British people all you want, you silly little man.

We are voting out regardless. You and Cameron will be forced out of office by your own party that is for Brexit.

 

OUT!

 

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roberta
roberta
15 Jun 2016 08:57

@Paul, when did you see the light in regard to cameron and osbourne?wink

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S
S
15 Jun 2016 09:09

What did you think the government are going to do if the UK vote to leave? It doesn't take a genius to realise they are going to make cuts.

 

The leave side claiming they will continue to fund those in receipt of EU funding until 2020 - well of course because it will take a while to actually leave the EU. Plus this is only a commitment until 2020. The affect of leaving won't be felt for a couple of years if the government doesn't make cuts.

 

The leave side said a new settlement would be possible by May 2020. This will be a few difficult years even if you believe this date.

roberta
roberta
15 Jun 2016 09:13

I believe 2020 will be a new GE so nobody can speak  for a future government.!!

S
S
15 Jun 2016 09:45

Which government though? Which party?

burneside
burneside
15 Jun 2016 10:10

We have now moved on from Project Fear to Project Terror.  I heard Osborne on the radio earlier, he is seriously crapping himself.  My only worry is that this ploy will have the desired effect on the undecided voters, and it is they who will now influence the outcome of the referendum.  

Incidentally, over 50 Tory MPs have already signed a declaration vowing to bring down the governnment should Osborne try to introduce this revenge budget.

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S
S
15 Jun 2016 10:12

Just received leaflets through the post from both sides, the stronger in with expert opinion and the leave promoting the Brexit movie. No facts in their leaflet just a link to a propaganda film!

S
S
15 Jun 2016 10:15

I hope his tactics work burneside and then the Tories implode and we get a better government through it.

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
15 Jun 2016 11:37

Whatever the outcome of the referendum, I cannot see how the Conservative party will be able to continue to govern until 2020. IMO, neither DC or BoJo would be able enjoy sufficient support to win through any 'no confidence' vote.

 

An early general election seems inevitable. 

Paul
Paul
15 Jun 2016 12:16

@roberta, since dave went to brussels to get a better deal for britain, got absolutely sod all and then still says vote in.

Just a total pr!ck. 

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roberta
roberta
15 Jun 2016 12:24

@Paul ive always known he was a prick

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S
S
15 Jun 2016 12:50

He is a prick and his mate Osbourne but that doesn't mean he doesn't make the odd good point or do the odd good thing.

Paul
Paul
15 Jun 2016 13:01

@S, that might be true, but on the eu vote he's got it completely wrong.

OUT asap.

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burneside
burneside
15 Jun 2016 13:25

Apparently, EU president (and drunkard) Jean-Claude Juncker is visiting Britain next week in a last desperate attempt to keep us in the EU.  I hope the Brexiters give him the welcome he deserves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

 

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b.o.liking
b.o.liking
15 Jun 2016 15:45

Roberta /Paul why can't you call osborne and cameron a number 1 or a number 2's.instead of all this filthy 

potty mouth about Pricks.Although i'm sure your right. Speaking of which it must be time to wheel out

Antony Lynton Blair who, we in Great Britain should be thankful  was not our wartime leader.

 

 

 

roberta
roberta
15 Jun 2016 16:07

Sorry bo-llicking blair and brown were as well

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b.o.liking
b.o.liking
15 Jun 2016 17:38

Roberta thinks it's easier to say who of our inglorious ba----ds aren't pricks

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roberta
roberta
15 Jun 2016 18:02

sorry they can all be pricks, some bigger than others !!!

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Carer
Carer
15 Jun 2016 18:42

I think that Remain/Leave are ALL talking crap.

 

Please, everyone, THINK FOR YOURSELF and not listen to your MP in what they think or the tabloids like the SUN.

Do you really need to let someone else make your mind up for you regardless of WHAT party you vote for?

NO political party will gain from this so how can any politician make promises as to what will happen if we leave or remain?

 

THINK FOR YOURSELF for once.

Let sense prevail

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roberta
roberta
15 Jun 2016 19:15

Agree Carer Ive made my own mind up without listening to anybody

Brooklyn Bridge
Brooklyn Bridge
15 Jun 2016 19:53

You know Carer, I agree with you. The problem is lot's of people can't make up thier minds and that's a shame whether it be for leave or remain, whichever way it goes I for one will not complain. I'm sure some of you know which way I will vote. I've had enough of all these debates with the same questions and answers. One last thing though watching the news tonight George Osbourn verbally made the threat that taxes will go up. Should that happen it will be a punitive tax for being a naughty population for voting OUT and how dare you defy your Government. However should the remain prevail Brussels will come down on us so hard for defying us, the rich elite of the EU. The unelected elete.

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leatash
leatash
16 Jun 2016 09:41

Carer,  Spot on i dont believe the poloticians understand Europe and the public certainly dont it is down to THINK FOR YOURSELF and vote as you think fit.

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Paul
Paul
16 Jun 2016 17:01

Just a week to go. 

Bye Bye EU.

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Cassandra
Cassandra
16 Jun 2016 17:58

A week is a long time in politics.

Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
16 Jun 2016 18:27

Show some respect Paul. 

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Paul
Paul
16 Jun 2016 20:16

@Morty Vicker. i posted that before i heard about the mp. absolutely dreadful, the husband now has to tell the children mummy’s not coming back and you will never see her again.

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burneside
burneside
16 Jun 2016 23:05

Social media has been awash tonight with people blaming Brexit voters for today's events, and now, not surprisingly, Polly Toynbee in The Guardian has joined the fray.  Not much sign of respect from those people.

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FredBassett
FredBassett
17 Jun 2016 12:05

Now then how do we all think our locally elected councillors will vote then. We already know about Gary as he is the only one who has the guts to comment on here. What about the rest though you know the ones that vote in favour of 1000 new houses for Dawlish but got no agreements in writing from the proposed developers and land owners regarding infrastructure including the link road. Will they do whats good and right for Britain and vote OUT or will they support upper class greed, deception and outright lies and sail their country down the swanny like they do for the town they represent at TDC and vote IN. Would be nice to know how many traitors we have on our councils

 

 

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Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
17 Jun 2016 13:19

Are you sure you want to leave that last posting of yours up, Fred? 

 

I have asked Webmaster to close this thread out of respect to the memory of Jo Cox MP who was, for the avoidance of doubt, an active supporter of the Remain campaign.

 

But feel free to start a thread of your own.

 

Before then, a brief statement below and message from her husband:

 

Jo Cox was shot and stabbed repeatedly near Birstall Library, West Yorkshire, just before she was due to hold an advice surgery there at 1pm. In a statement, Brendan Cox said: "Today is the beginning of a new chapter in our lives. More difficult, more painful, less joyful, less full of love. I and Jo's friends and family are going to work every moment of our lives to love and nurture our kids and to fight against the hate that killed Jo.

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burneside
burneside
17 Jun 2016 14:00

@Gary Taylor

I hope the webmaster refuses your request, the EU referendum is still taking place next week and still needs to be debated. You do not own this thread.

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FredBassett
FredBassett
17 Jun 2016 14:15

Love the way Gary sides with the ones in this mornings press trying to put the blame for this tradgedy on Brexit supporters. With all due respect to her family and friends would it not be more prudent to look closer  to home for who or what was behind this. This present government cabinet cannot be trusted. Brings back memories of Lady Dianna

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Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
17 Jun 2016 14:24

This thread isn't a "debate", it's just an excuse to type post after post full of hate-filled, conspiracy-ridden bile from those who have no respect for the true values that makes this country great. Those values being compassion, empathy, peace and tolerance. The likes of Burneside and Fred Bassett and their friends at UKIP, BNP and Britain First make me sick. 

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burneside
burneside
17 Jun 2016 14:26

Well, Mrs C, you make me sick too, so that kinda evens things up.  And please refrain from trying to link me with the organisations you mentioned.

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FredBassett
FredBassett
17 Jun 2016 14:36

@ MV

glad we make you sick in which case you know what to do, as you have been told to do many times before.

Go troll some other forum

 

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Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
17 Jun 2016 14:45

Point proven I'm afraid. 

S
S
17 Jun 2016 15:09

Let's wait for all the facts before blaming the scum that are Britain First.

 

 

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S
S
17 Jun 2016 15:17

Brexit isn't to blame. 

 

The link is made because Britain First supporters are more than likely Brexit supporters but that doesn't mean all Brexit supporters are Britain First supporters.

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S
S
17 Jun 2016 21:54
burneside
burneside
17 Jun 2016 22:13

The Remain camp started their campaign with Project Fear, and are now finishing with Project Grief.  The speed with which they have exploited the death of Jo Cox is truly appalling and nauseating.  They are utterly shameless.

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S
S
17 Jun 2016 22:18

That is utter bollocks. No one is taking advantage. Both sides have suspended campaigning and won't contest the bi election for Jo's seat when the time comes.

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burneside
burneside
17 Jun 2016 22:50

You cannot have been reading the press, or social media today.  In fact, the Remain campaign will tomorrow be setting up stalls with books of condolences, and allowing activists to leaflet as normal.  That doesn't sound very much like suspending activities to me.

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S
S
17 Jun 2016 23:06

Both sides said they would suspend for yesterday and today. So yes they will be back campaigning tomorrow.

Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
17 Jun 2016 23:34

Nowhere near as appalling and nauseating as Farages use yesterday morning of Nazi imagery to promote fear amongst the brainwashed.

 

I hope, though it's definitely said more in hope rather than expectation, that the remaining few days of this referendum campaign are carried out with at least a modicum of dignity from those involved. 

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burneside
burneside
17 Jun 2016 23:43

Re that poster.  Did you notice any women or children in that huge line?

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
18 Jun 2016 00:28

Re Mrs C's post at 14.24 today takes my breath away! Of all people on this forum she is the one who is full of hate filled bile, as she has demonstrated time and again over the years!  And before she casts insidious inuendoes about my late post, as she normally does, I will just say that I have worked a 60 hour week this week which is why I am late responding to this thread. What a vile evil person she is and we would all be better off if she was once again banned from this forum.

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S
S
18 Jun 2016 00:40

Not sure she said anything in that post that deserves a ban!

 

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 01:03

@MV 23:34

Mrs C has now invoked Godwin's law.

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Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
18 Jun 2016 07:10

It would be Godwins Law if UKIPs vile poster wasn't actually inspired by a Nazi propoganda image/film. Which it is. 

FredBassett
FredBassett
18 Jun 2016 08:03

@ MV

Why are you still here. I thought we made you sick, you must be pretty ill by now

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Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
18 Jun 2016 08:20

So this is what "debate" is all about? A woman who wants censorship of opinion, and a dog that posts AgreeBait. Excellent. 

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stephen15
stephen15
18 Jun 2016 08:35

Can Somebody tell me, unless I missed It, seeing that Consertive, Liberal, UKIP are not contesting the By election are Labour going to?
Have not heard anything from them. 

S
S
18 Jun 2016 09:07

Yes it means Labour will nominate a new MP with no opposition 

S
S
18 Jun 2016 09:09

MV whatever you did as Mrs C I haven’t seen anything on here to warrant a ban. Apart from asking questions of the Brexit camp and the right wing!

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S
S
18 Jun 2016 12:11
Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
18 Jun 2016 13:01

"Social media has been awash tonight with people blaming Brexit voters for today's events"   burneside

 

Yes, it will be grossly unjust if the heinous actions of this extremist murderer bear any reflection on Brexit voters.  Just like it is when the heinous actions of an extremist Islamist are blamed on Muslims.     See it for what it is, don't use it as confirmation bias either way.

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 13:02

I fear the Remain side could win this referendum now, they are ruthlessly exploiting the death of this woman for their own ends, it's like manna from heaven for them.

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Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
18 Jun 2016 13:09

@burneside - you seem to be the one exploiting it more than anyone on this forum.    For someone so bullish about the outcome of this referendum you have been calling foul at every stage along the way. 

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S
S
18 Jun 2016 13:30

@burneside no one is exploiting this. Stop saying it! It is not true. Campaigning is suspended until tomorrow by both sides.

 

 

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S
S
18 Jun 2016 13:33

@burneside you seem to be setting up a convenient excuse for the Brexit camp losing on Thursday and that is sick.

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 13:46

@Mcjrpc

The Remain camp has had the benefit of the entire government machine behind it, and their campaign budget was, in effect, more than doubled to over £16million.  That is hardly a level playing field is it?  I sincerely hope Leave does win as it will show the people's voice is stronger than the Establishment.

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 13:53

@S

You are incredibly naïve if you think campagning has been suspended, are you not reading the press or social media? They might say it has been officially suspended, but that is far from the truth.

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S
S
18 Jun 2016 13:59

FFS more excuses lined up for when Brexit lose on Thursday.

We will stay in because it is better for the country.

 

Leaving will only see the rise of the right in this country.

 

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roberta
roberta
18 Jun 2016 14:01

Theres a petition been launched now to cancel the referendum because of the MPs murder

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 14:01

Leaving might actually mean we see a bit of democracy in this country, that is why the Establishment is running scared.

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S
S
18 Jun 2016 15:54

Might, maybe, probably ... sounds like the Brexit campaign

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 16:31

Because the Remain campaign has been so positive hasn't it? Project Fear....Project Terror...Project Grief

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Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
18 Jun 2016 22:33

There is no "Project Grief". You disgust me and, I'd imagine, most right-minded people, with that vile comment.  A lady has been murdered by a person who was easily influenced by the likes of you with your vitriol and your toxic comments. And you have the gall to come on here and talk about a "Project Grief"???????  Cowardly and beyond contempt. 

 

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 22:45

Get over yourself, you stupid bint. 

The Remainiacs have been all over social media milking Jo Cox's death for all it's worth.  It is they who are the contemptible rabble.

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Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
18 Jun 2016 22:55

"Stupid bint". Are they the kind of abusive words that you use when you Tweet MPs?  The likes of you are dragging our country into the gutter and then into the sewer. You wouldn't dare use words like that to people's faces, yet think it's acceptable to be so toxic on social media. The likes of you have brought reasonable debate into contempt. Thank god most normal people aren't like you. 

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 23:01

Next time I see you in Dawlish, Mrs C, I will gladly use the words to your face.

Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
18 Jun 2016 23:18

Of course you will. Like you did last time...

Your threats are nothing but cowardly words from a cowardly social inadequate. You'll be calling me a traitor as well, I assume?

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burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 23:20

If the cap fits...

S
S
18 Jun 2016 23:41

@burneside you are so wrong. No one is taking advantage. Tributes to Jo and what she stood for is not project grief. 

 

S
S
18 Jun 2016 23:42

I think you both should apologise for the traitor comment. Inappropriate!

burneside
burneside
18 Jun 2016 23:57

I stand by every word I have said, and retract nothing.  And if we are talking traitors, then Ted Heath was the biggest traitor of modern times for lying through his teeth when he conned us into the Common Market in 1973.

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S
S
19 Jun 2016 00:07

I wasn't expecting you to

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
19 Jun 2016 13:26

Nice words from the Vicar of St Gregory's Parish Church based around the earlier reading from the letter of Paul to the Galatians (3.23 - 29) regarding the increasingly divisive and vitriolic battle lines drawn during the referendum debate: 

 

"As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ; There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male or female - nor Brexit, nor Remain - for all of you are one in Christ Jesus..."

 

burneside
burneside
19 Jun 2016 13:39

And for those of us who do not believe in an imaginary wizard in the sky, that is utter claptrap.

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FredBassett
FredBassett
19 Jun 2016 14:45

With most euro countries heading for bankruptcy or civil war or both. Facing the formation of a fake and weak  joint EU defence force, shared laws, banking and taxation rules. The prospect of millions of Turks and other uncivilised ecconomic migrants invading their countries to destroy their soveriegn, historical and social idividualities. Not to mention that their entire lives will in future be ruled by a Fedral unelected and unaccountable council made up of self interested trough guzzelers the likes of the smack head Bob Geldof and the Lunatic Angela Merkel.

WHY would any sane person want to remain amongst such an absolute nightmare in the making, and how could they justify this to their children and grandchidren. The only way to avoid the total destruction of our own country is to vote leave.

If any remainers out there can give one proven reason for staying. Then please lets hear it, and not the usual dribble. 

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S
S
19 Jun 2016 15:18

Whatever we say you will call it the usual dribble!

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S
S
19 Jun 2016 15:19

Please don't bring imaginery sky daddies into this!

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
19 Jun 2016 15:31

Words of wisdom from the Daily Mail's own profit prophet?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36495983

Paul
Paul
19 Jun 2016 15:52

Right said Fred.

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
19 Jun 2016 16:49

@burneside & @S,

 

I don't normally do God myself, with visits to Church normally reserved for births, marriages, deaths and commemorations. 

 

The underlying symbolism, as I understand it, is one of tolerance. This is exactly the human quality currently most lacking in the referendum debate - and which will be most in need once this week is over. 

 

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S
S
19 Jun 2016 19:01

You really haven't read the bible Gary

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Paul
Paul
19 Jun 2016 20:35

I'm pretty sure it says 'Thou shalt vote OUT!'  

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S
S
19 Jun 2016 20:55

I wouldn't look at a 2000 year book, written by 43 different authors over 1600 years to give me advice myself 

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Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
20 Jun 2016 06:55

Actually S, it wasn’t advice I was seeking, but solace. As it turned out this came from an unexpected source.

 

An eighty-something year-old Scottish lady called Janet was wheeling herself through the church gates as I arrived at St Greg’s - so we chatted. It turned out that she was recovering from a brain tumour operation and had recently been to see her NHS consultant.

 

Unfearful of the consequences and wanting a truthful diagnosis she had told the consultant: "she was ready to meet her Maker”.

 

“The Lord has more work for you to do, Janet…” the consultant was said to have replied.

 

Funny old thing, faith.

 

Peace be with you.

Paul
Paul
20 Jun 2016 09:34

The remain camp really are useless all they can say is we should stay in and fix the EU. You've had 40 years and it's only got worse and currently getting rapidly worse.

Thankfully this referendum has given us the chance to use some sense and get the hell out.

Vote OUT and save our beloved country whilst we still have time.

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S
S
20 Jun 2016 09:42

OK replace advice with solace in my comment ;-)

 

I don't think this is the right thread to have a discussion on God but you brought him into it :-)

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
20 Jun 2016 10:03

Will you be singing the National Anthem along with the England crowd during tonight's footie, S? Seems He is omnipresent... 

S
S
20 Jun 2016 10:16

As an Atheist, I don't sing the National Anthem.

 

Even if there was a God, he is not even worthy of worship. Kings 2:23-24 "23: From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24: He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys."

 

God sent 2 bears to kill 42 children for calling someone baldy! There are plenty of other examples of this in the bible.

Paul
Paul
20 Jun 2016 10:42

Jeremy Corbyn says we should stay in the EU and oppose a trade deal between the US and EU.

What about leaving the EU and setting up our own trade deal with the US?

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
20 Jun 2016 10:50

You mean the US says 'sign here' and the UK says 'OK'?

 

Have you followed the TTIP negotiations?

S
S
20 Jun 2016 10:51

TTIP - no thanks!! Whether you are a leaver or a remainer you should be against this. If we leave and the UK wanted something similar, which they probably will, it will mean privatisation of the NHS which is the Tory party aim.

S
S
20 Jun 2016 11:02

@Gary Taylor - why would I be against you singing it?

 

Carlos Velasco Carballo is the ref (who isn't bald)

 

EDIT: Gary you seem to have deleted your comment that this was in response to?

Paul
Paul
20 Jun 2016 11:45

I've read a few articles about the TTIP.

Some aims are

    Opening up the US to EU firms.

    Helping cut red tape that firms face when exporting.

    Setting new rules to make it easier and fairer to export, import and invest overseas.

Sounds like a pretty good idea to me, but this you oppose.

However we do need to be out of the EU, so we can negotiate our own trade deal with the US on our own terms.

Vote OUT!

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
20 Jun 2016 11:48

Read more, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

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FredBassett
FredBassett
20 Jun 2016 11:50

Anyone organising a big leave celebration party over the weekend in Dawlish. Think we need a big beer tent and some live music on the Lawn, plus a live video link to Downing street showing Dodgy Dave and Georgy Porgy leaving for Brussels, closely followed by a few coach loads of left wing loonies like Geldof and Corbin. Good luck losers and good ridance. 

Everyone get their Union Jack flags out ready and that includes the TDC lot.

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Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
20 Jun 2016 11:52

Sorry, S. You will know from my PM that this was the message I deleted. It just got in the way of a very good debate (within a debate) about TTIP - which will need very careful handling, as you have rightly observed.

 

Please don't mind me if I do join in, S.

 

But I won't be indulging in the refrain: 'Your not singing anymore' if we go ahead in what may be a very close contest.

 

Talking of baldy, who's reffing tonight?

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
20 Jun 2016 12:03

Got your victory speech lined up, Fred? Want to run it past us first for a fact check?

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S
S
20 Jun 2016 12:15

Are you feeling ok Fred? You sound a bit delusional. You might want to get that checked out :-)

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burneside
burneside
20 Jun 2016 12:24

I fear Remain are going to win this now, they have been shamelssly exploiting Project Grief for all it's worth, and that has taken its toll on the Leave campaign.

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S
S
20 Jun 2016 12:24

@Paul so you are against the EU but happy for the US to take jobs away? As mcjrpc said you should go read about TTIP and see how this is a terrible thing.

 

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S
S
20 Jun 2016 12:26

@burneside there you go with your project grief crap again. Remain will win because it makes sense on so many levels that have already been discussed.

 

 

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burneside
burneside
20 Jun 2016 12:34

Do you not look at social media?  There's even a Twitter hashtag #remainforjo, if that is not exploitation then what is?

And of course, Cameron has also been accused of getting in on the act:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/19/david-cameron-used-jo-coxs-death-to-campaign-for-remain-5953570/

 

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Paul
Paul
20 Jun 2016 12:39

Our own trade deal with the US is what we need, which we can do when we are out.

@FredBassett, great post.

@burneside, keep the 'faith', mate. we are out.

I got Thursday and Friday off.

Thursday to save our country by voting OUT!

Friday to pick up my winnings and head to pub to celebrate.

betting slip

 

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S
S
20 Jun 2016 12:41

Are we not to mention Jo and what her beliefs were. Her sister even mentioned it, "Focus on that which unites us and not which divides us". There is no organised campaign to take advantage.

 

If it was a UKIP MP killed I am sure Farage would have been stood in front of a billboard within 48 hours.

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S
S
20 Jun 2016 12:44

13/8 for a reason Paul. You should have saved the £30 and just went the pub.

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Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
20 Jun 2016 12:47

burneside is teeing this up because whatever the outcome he has to say 'I told you so'.    

 

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FredBassett
FredBassett
20 Jun 2016 12:51

@S

Its the other way round for jobs isent it. Havent Boing just announced they will be moving their European HQ to Britain shortly. Rock on Trump for president 

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S
S
20 Jun 2016 12:57

From http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

The EU has admitted that TTIP will probably cause unemployment as jobs switch to the US, where labour standards and trade union rights are lower. It has even advised EU members to draw on European support funds to compensate for the expected unemployment.

Examples from other similar bi-lateral trade agreements around the world support the case for job losses.  The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) between the US, Canada and Mexico caused the loss of one million US jobs over 12 years, instead of the hundreds of thousands of extra that were promised.

 

S
S
20 Jun 2016 13:00

Let's be like the US and have little workers rights and a buffoon in charge. Trump and Johnson what a pair they would be!!

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Paul
Paul
20 Jun 2016 13:03

@S we know the eu is s**t, that's why we are all voting out.

Then we can get our own trade deals with whoever we want.

burneside
burneside
20 Jun 2016 13:03

@Mcjrpc

You only have to look at the evidence; until last Thursday the Leave campaign had a healthy lead in the polls, and now they don't.  And we all know why.

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S
S
20 Jun 2016 13:04

The government is backing TTIP so this is the trade deal you would get in or out.

Paul
Paul
20 Jun 2016 13:24

@S, i'm all for trade deals. just outside of the failed eu.

Have the polls ever been right? 

Remember the general election the polls were saying it was neck and neck between Cameron and Miliband.

When we knew the Tories were going to win, since we all wanted Cameron's EU referendum, so we can vote out.

Come Friday some of my tax will still be going to the ruddy EU, but at least there will be some light at the end of tunnel.

Vote OUT and end this EU farce.

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FredBassett
FredBassett
20 Jun 2016 13:28

The cabinet part of the government are backing TTIP the same as they are backing staying in the EU but we all know they will be forced to resign come Friday as their positions will become untenable. It will then be down to the Conservative party to form a new cabinet or call a general election. The one worry not discussed so far is the prospect of mass civil disruption should remain win. This weekend will either be one of celebration as I hope or one of more bloodshed which I fear.

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
20 Jun 2016 13:32

And of course, Fred, as you have been a model of reconciliation in all of this, there will be no blood on your hands.

S
S
20 Jun 2016 13:33

So the thugs from the Leave side will cause bloodshed?

 

You think Gove and Johnson have your best interests in mind and that of the country? They will be your new leaders if Cameron does resign.

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