Dawlish Discussion

Has anyone fallen victim of the new rules for claiming Tax credits if your self employed. Apparently if you dont run your business the way the government expect you to then your claim will not be accepted. These are some of the new business rules.

you have to have a customer list, produce consice sales invoices, or official contracts with customers or CIS payslips

A list of suppliers, proof you buy from trade only wholesalers, produce reciepts for all expenses

provide up to date business banking, credit card, paypal, ebay business statements

produce a fixed price list showing hourly or daily rates, copies of quotations

keep a diary and appointment book and record daily takings and expenses

produce evidence of how you advertise your business

produce relavent trade qualifications nvqs etc

prove you have business insurance, premises or an area of your home you work from

prove your vehicles are insured and used for business use

prove you have proffesional accountancy and advisors to assist with your business affairs

plus you have to produce a business plan showing how you will make a profit and how much that will be 

Apparently failure to provide all or most of the above mean you and your business do not qualify any longer. Therfore statistically you are no longer a self employed business owner,  but then try telling the tax man that. Same government office HMRC, but different rules. This is another one of CaMORONS government con tricks

Haven't these rules been in place for over a year now? Anyway, I'd have thought that you'd have been well up for a tightening of the rules to cut down on the number of benefits cheats out there?  

Red tape tying businesses up in knots - we wouldn't get that if we left the EU... Oh. 

@MV

No these are new rules for this years claims 2016 . The actual form in addition to the standard claim form  is six pages long contains 13 sections plus the standard name address sort of questions, and would take well over a day to complete in order to provide all the information they require.

Unfortunatly this one is not about benifit cheats this is about new rules that clearly discriminate against the self employed.

The benifit cheats carry on as normal i.e. illegal immergrants, single mothers with eight kids that dont know who the farthers are . Non- disabled pensioners with million pound houses, new cars and Blue Badges. Not to mention the eastern europeans that work here and claim for all their families living in other countries. Plus of course the District and county coucillors and polititions who fleece the tax payers with their expense claims.

VOTE OUT on 23rd JUNE not only will we get rid of the EU but also CaMoron and his bent , lying government

Have you been reading the Sun and the Daily Mail again FredBassett?

@FB: So.........if we vote out does that mean

No more illegal immigrants?

No more single parents?

No more people (of whatever age) having blue badges when they shouldn't? 

No more politicians who may indulge in 'creative accounting'? 

Really?

@Lynne

Of course we wont be able to sort out things overnight but at least our own elected government will be able to do so eventually and without interferance from non-elected beaurocrates sponging off the great EU table. £350 million per week will pay for alot of extra border security staff. Plus the other issues may well be looked into but even if not the uk goverment will at least be accountable to the UK electorate without excusses.

@S cant afford newspapers cause i dont run my business as our eu backed dictatorship government demand i should.

Not really suprising as Iam male, white, not gay, born and bred in Britain, have paid all my N.I. and knew who my parents where.

Vote Leave’s newsletter today (and most days) says, ‘We send £350 million a week to the EU – enough to build a new hospital every week’, and the claim features in the campaign’s election video, released online.

However, despite their making this central to their case for Brexit, it’s not actually true.

The £350 million figure is based on an annual figure of £18 billion paid by the UK to the EU as a membership fee.

But as Full Fact and others have pointed out, this ignores the £5 billion rebate the UK receives from the EU. When this is deducted, the ‘weekly’ figure drops to roughly 250 million – rendering the Vote Leave figure off by £100 million.

So is Vote Leave correct to say ‘we send £350 million a week to the EU’ before the rebate is deducted? No. As Full Fact notes:

‘The UK doesn’t pay or ‘send to Brussels’ this higher figure of £18 billion, or anything equivalent per week or per day. The rebate is applied straight away, so the UK never contributes this much.’

Vote Leave also ignores the £4 billion or so the EU pays to the UK, mostly to subsidise British farming.

Lynne real stats have no affect on the Brexiters

So, the bottom line is we send £250 MILLION a WEEK to the EU. I bet the staff in A&E at South Devon hospital would love to see some of that money spent on more staff so staffing levels are commensurate with the flow of casualties through their department. Our hospitals are understaffed and scores of thousands of people are dying needlessly every week because the NHS is underfunded. Let's put our own house in order before we glibly send millions every week to the EU.

And here was me thinking,, obviously naively, that the new UK rules brought in last year (2015) were about ensuring that benefits in the form of Working Tax Credits were only given to those who were genuinely self employed. You know, to stop those that were claiming that they are but in fact aren't. 

@MV

Its not as simple as just proving that your self employed the new rules also contain a system for running your business that you must abide by. You also have to make a profit the percentage of which is not defined but rests on their desicion as to wether they accept your claim or not.

Its pure and simple discrimination.

Surely anyone between 16 and retirement age and not in full time education, can only be in one of three employment catogories

a) employed on paye scheme b) unemployed on benifits or not c) self employed claiming benifits or not

It is 161 million after the rebate. 

There you go again Margaret Swift, there is no guarantee that any money saved would go to the NHS. You can't assume that even if that was the actual figure we saved!!

I understand it is an example but it is also a fallacy!

@FB

I understand the rules very clearly, and it's all about financial fair play. Why should you receive benefits from taxpayers if you're unable to run your business without a clearly defined business plan that demonstrates that you're at least aiming to make a profit? Seems like commonsense to me, and not before time. 

Its not about proving whether or not you're self-employed, but whether or not you should be receiving benefits from the state. 

@S there is no guarantee but at least it is money saved to spend on something other than that great waste of space, money, time and energy, the eu! 

OUT

Every week an enormous sum is paid to the EU. A rebate is then paid back. A sum is then sent back to be spent in Britain, the EU dictates what it is spent on. An eyewatering remaining sum does not come back to Britain, it is spent in Poland, Greece, Romania, Slovakia – Most EU countries are takers, it is spent anywhere other than in Britain. £100M, £150M, £200M, £250M, £300M, whatever the exact sum might be is irrelevant as it's a truly colossal, massive, enormous amount – Every week. It is unarguable that the UK government has no control over what any of this is spent on. It is unarguable that the UK government would have full control over the entire sum if we were not in the EU. Why anybody would quibble what the exact sum might be is beyond me because it's a phenomenal amount whatever it is

You forgot to mention Scotland Roberta, where EU membership is worth £2bn per year. But in any case the amount Brtain as a whole pays to the EU, including the value of the UK's trading relationships, is less than we receive.

That is why Brexit defector MP Dr Sarah Wollaston now supports Remain. The Leave 'dividend' is illusionary she says - Brexit will incur a 'financial penalty'.

Even Daily Mail columnist and money guru Martin Lewis agrees that the risks of leaving are greater than staying. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36495983

It won't be money to spend elsewhere though Margaret Swift. That is just not going to happen. We wont "save" anything!

Who cares about the financial implications of leaving, the biggest effect will  be on the EU side in any case.

Just look at all the near bankrupt countries they are going to have to back up in the future, Greece, Spain, Italy etc. It will be the Euro that ultimatly fails, not the Pound.

The biggest and most impotant issue with leaving will be a closing of the gates and the return to a closed UK border. I dont want my children and granchildren suffing islamification, nor do I wish to see our armed forces disolved into some weak pussy foot EU defence force that has been brain washed by diversification and any other EU liberal left wing bullshit.

As for Merkal and the German/Swedish migrant disaster, before she and her ministers start spouting off about who,s not having their fair share of her new population she needs to be reminded that her country is under occupation after loosing two world wars. Its time CaMoron stood upto her and reminded her of this fact.

Anyway whats this gotto do with working families tax credits