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Lynne
Lynne
16 Apr 2016 14:56
Corbs
Corbs
18 Apr 2016 07:48

Can anyone share the story of this building - it's gorgeous and on such a big plot - how did it end up abandoned & run down?

Lynne
Lynne
18 Apr 2016 08:02
Lynne
Lynne
18 Apr 2016 10:37
Purrrrrfect
Purrrrrfect
18 Apr 2016 11:44

Up until a few years ago it had a fully tiled roof, but a couple of blokes in a van came along and stripped one complete section and left it open to the elements.

Latest appeal on Teignbridge planning website was  (07/00032/REF) against refusal to demolition the existing buildings and errect 12 dwellings with assoctiated parking.

I will be objecting on the grounds of over building on a small plot. The associated dangers of the ingress/egress during construction and later the occupants trying to navigate the entrance to the development onto Weech road.

This road has very fast traffic running down it at all times of the day, especially during the time people are going to and from work. I wouldn't call it rushhour, but extremely dangerous all the same.

Before 'you know who gets there oar in' yes, there are a lot of dwellings on the road already, but there is no need to add to the problem for greedy developers to bolster their bank accounts at the expense of local people.

There are plenty of dwellings being built locally to justify saying 'NO' to more high density developments on postage stamp sizes of land.

Planning should be directing developer's to produce developments that add to the area in a positive way, but all they seem to do is rubber stamp what ever these large companies want todo!

1 Agree
Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
18 Apr 2016 18:52

The application (16/00765/LBC) comes before Dawlish Town Council Planning Committee on Thursday. The previous application to demolish part of the building and to redevelop the site (forming a total of 9 houmes) was considered last year (15/01204/FUL). This is how the Committee commented then:

 

Comment:  RESOLVED by the majority of Members present and voting that this Council recommends refusal of this application for the following reasons:

1.      Overdevelopment of the site

2.      Traffic and Highways issues including access and parking

3.      Impingement on amenity space

 

Members wished to add that they do welcome development at this site and would support an application if the Highways issues can be mitigated.

Morty Vicker
Morty Vicker
18 Apr 2016 19:54

It's a real shame that what's now an eyesore building can't be brought back to life in its current shape and form. Shame on the owners for allowing it to fall into the state of disrepair that it's been in for so long. 

 

As for this proposal, for what it's worth I agree with last years decision that the applicant mustn't be allowed to get away with this without addressing the highways issues. 

1 Agree
Lynne
Lynne
23 Apr 2016 10:54

This is what the Dawlish town council planning committee decided on Thursday:

 

PARISH: DAWLISH WARD: Dawlish South West
APPLICATION REF: 16/00765/LBC OFFICER: Donna Crabtree
DECISION LEVEL: DEL
LOCATION: 13 Weech Road 
PROPOSAL: Demolition of building
APPLICANT Mr J Farrell Sterling Property Developments 5th Floor One American 
Square 15 Crosswell London EC3N 2SG 
AGENT: Mr S Christmas Narracotts Architects 2 Montpellier Terrace Torquay 
Devon TQ1 1BL 
Comment: RESOLVED unanimously by Members present and voting that this Council recommends 
REFUSAL of this application as it is a building of historical interest. Members would therefore like to 
see a development that is reflective of the original building and retains as much of the original 
structure as possible
4 Agrees
Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
24 Apr 2016 11:57

It doesn't matter how wrecked a building is, if people can use old methods to restore fire damaged listed buildings that are a bare shells and unsafe, then this restoration project is achievable and deliverable.  It just means that the other housing on site needs to be considered so that the profit from these cover any additional expense which then could be deemed to make the project unviable, since grants for such a project is unlikely.

2 Agrees
Lynne
Lynne
11 May 2016 17:35

TDC have refused permission for it to be demolished. 

3 Agrees
DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
21 Apr 2020 18:06

There seems to be activity at the old rectory this afternoon. 2 cranes and a gaggle of men at roof height.

 

from planning dept it would seem an appeal went in to overturn the latest non decision by teignbridge, but activity is on site with some serious equipment!

 

IMG 7791

 

IMG 7785

 

IMG 7776

 

IMG 7794

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
22 Apr 2020 11:04

Added 4 pics to last post.

Lynne
Lynne
08 Aug 2020 06:39

@Deedoodle - is the work still going on? What do you think they were/are doing?

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
08 Aug 2020 11:24

not that i could see at 11:00 hrs this morning, but the wood slats for the tilledj roof that was detiled sometime ago seem to have gone now. I thought this was a listed building.

the only reason it has got to this state of disrepair has ben engineered by those who own it, in my opinion. for the sole purpose of screwing as much profit as possible ouyt of the site again in my opinion.

Lynne
Lynne
09 Aug 2020 06:54

Yes it is a listed building. And because it is listed, although it is obviously a brown field site, this causes complications with regard to the site being developed.

I am inclined to agree with your comment in your last paragraph above @Deedoodle.

I am sure that it is far from being the only listed site in the country that is being allowed to deteriorate by whoever it is who owns it.

Will the government address this issue in its latest planning reform proposals?

Hmmmm.......

 

The last planning application submitted to develop the Old Rectory site was in 2018 (18/01801/Ful). The application didn't proceed and the applicant Appealed to the Planning Inspector. The Appeal was dismissed. The full wording of the Planning Inspector's findings can be found on the planning document history of the planning application. But here is a quote from it:

" the sustained deterioration of the heritage asset has been the up-shot of successive decades of un-checked neglect. As the continued deterioration of the asset was well known and well documented, the absence of any evident attempt to implement effective remedies to meaningfully halt that deterioration amounts to deliberate neglect. "  

   

 

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
09 Aug 2020 08:12

@Lynne..thanks for the info, its just a shame over all this time no enforcement action never seems to have been taken. Its no wonder greedy developers keep flouting the rules.....win, win on their part most of the time i expect.

Lynne
Lynne
09 Aug 2020 11:32

this link should take you to a picture of what the building once looked like.

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1045909

 

  

Lynne
Lynne
10 Aug 2020 06:22

In January of this year local residents got fed up with the state of disrepair of the building. Click on this link for more info  http://www.dawlishnewspapers.co.uk/article.cfm?id=110268&headline=Crunch%20talks%20called%20for%20vicarage%20ruin&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2020

The matter was then an agenda item at the full council meeting held in February. Here is the minute of that agenda item and what the council resolved to do.

THE OLD VICARAGE, WEECH ROAD Members received an update following the residents’ action group meeting in relation to the derelict building at Weech Road, Dawlish. District Councillors who attended stated that two actions to come out of the meeting were as follows:

* Speak to TDC Planning and the officer who had refused the application and the Conservation officer to get a greater understanding as to what could be done to move things forward; Dawlish Town Council  Residents concerned about public safety as it had been noted that whilst there was heras fencing surrounding the site, some of the masonry was loose which could come down in a high wind.

* Building Control had been and inspected the site today, the outcome of which was not yet known. They had also inspected the site on the 19 August 2019 and then considered the fencing sufficient to prevent public from entering and the building was in a satisfactory condition. It was clear from the resident’s meeting that enough was enough and sensible plans now needed to be brought forward to enable the site to be tidied up, vermin concerns be addressed and made safe to all those living nearby.

Resolved that the Town Council write to the Planning Authority expressing its shame that more had not been done sooner to reduce the amount of damage the building was currently in which would have thus reduced associated costs of making the site good now. That said, the Town Council explicitly asks Teignbridge District Council to do all that it can to expediently bring this derelict site to an appropriate conclusion for all concerned.    

 

I cannot find any more info on this matter. Bear in mind that shortly after this meeting the country went into hard lock down so it is quite possible that matters have not been progressed.

Given its location in the town I’m guessing that the site of the Old Rectory is within the local government ward of Dawlish South West. We have two district councillors representing Dawlish South West – Cllr John Petherick and Cllr Gary Taylor. Cllr Petherick is a member of the planning committee and Cllr Taylor is the portfolio holder for planning at TDC.  So they seem to me to be the ideal people to contact should anyone want to know what the latest situation is.   

Councillor John Petherick  (South West)
New House, Penfield Gardens, Dawlish EX7 9NQ
Tel: 01626 864655 / 07856 734096

Email: john.petherick@teignbridge.gov.uk

 

Councillor Gary Taylor  (South West)
South View, 4 Stockton Avenue, Dawlish EX7 9LU
Tel: 07712 527101

Email: Gary.taylor@teignbridge.gov.uk

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
10 Aug 2020 07:05

So the upshot of this will more than likely be the outcome the owners have wanted through their actions that have left the property in the current state, in my opinion. I cannot see any chance of the authorities doing anything else as they have done absolutely noithing to date to enforce the owners to act under the current poiwers of listed building status. Other than deny planning permission. Tax payers money hard at work as usual, not.

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