General Discussion
Did anyone on here read this week's Carnival Column in the Gazette? It was good to read that the carnival committee appear to have resolved their differences with David Force, though it did make me titter that they couldn't quite find it in them to use his first name, instead using the rather impersonal "Mr Force"!
Being an 'Outsider' whom Ms Farley seems to object to and still has to issue some sort of apology for that remark, I now find it difficult to get into any kind of carnival spirit and again, I will not be supporting anything tha the CC do.
8 day events starting Saturday 8th August.
http://www.dawlishcarnivalentertainment.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=76
It's good that they've finally seen the sense in advertising the various events on the internet rather than just in the programme.
Please ignore my last post.
The 8 day events on the carnival website have now been taken off and they have chosen to put them on from 9am on the day.
If you want to plan your week you will have to purchase a programme price £2
Oh dear. Won't be purchasing a programme and won't be attending anything to do with the carnival. There's only so much pettiness you can put up with.
Dawlish Carnival Committee beware - this could be you
I thought it was too good to be true. Call me Mystic Meg but I anticipated this so took the liberty of taking screenshots. I think we established last time that it can't be copyrighted.
@Mcjrpc - are you feeling entrepreneurial? you could always sell those screenshots at say, a £1.00 a go. 
(PS Welcome back 
- have missed you 
Interesting piece Flo. Perhaps next year Dawlish Town Council might wise up and top up the £5k grant it gave to the Airshow with the 5k it wastes on the Carnival. It's a much more deserving cause and benefits Dawlish way more than this sorry bunch.
@Mcjrpc, I've had to remove your photos of the carnival's website since they may infringe copyright.
It's already been established that there are no copyright issues with publishing dates/times of events in OUR carnival! What pathetic nonsense!
They have reinstated Sat/Sun/Mon/Tues events.I think the copyright issue isactually to do with posting pics of programme pages. If you physically put the events copying from the programme up I understand thats not copyright. I was involved in this last year and had a letter threatening to sue
@Roberta - Good PR then? (their threatening to sue you).
I see there are threads on EoD about the carnival.
@OurSoul, taking screen grabs of someone else's website and publishing them without their consent is highly likely a breach of their copyright, unless you could argue fair usage. It would be no different to photocopying a train timetable and publishing that, which was established previously to be a breach of copyright.
@roberta is correct in what she says about the issue.
Webmaster, you deleting them wasn't what I was referring to; the removal of the schedule of events from their website was the pathetic nonsense. Thanks for the clarification of your position, I don't actually believe that they'd have a legal leg to stand on but understand your need to be cautious.
Yes, I should have typed it out separately.
@roberta - did you get a properly drafted solicitors letter? Would you be prepared to post it up or share what it said? Maybe our 5k is being spent on their legal fees.
I have long since disposed of said letter. It was not a solicitors letter it merely said they were seeking legal advice over my breach of copyright.It was signed by Barry Dunn, Sue Purser, Maggie Farley,Dave Farley and Michael Butterfield. I believe the webmaster received the same
The 5k grant was for marshalling and marquee. It is only fair to pay for that as we have paid for the air shows marquee.
I don't think "fair" comes into it, I'm afraid. They've long since lost their right to being treated fairly.
@Lindapetherick. Are you seriously comparing the carnival with the airshow? You sound like you're saying because one gets a grant so should the other. Is that how the committee made its decision?
I think you've missed the point here (as I think you did about the bike tender). Merit alone should dictate these decisions. There should be no prevailing sense of entitlement just because a business is local or already established. (And by the way I'd have liked to see BW win the tender but if there was a better proposition so be it).
It alarms me that this kind of simplistic thinking could be behind decisions being taken by Councillors, but it could explain why it went through largely unchallenged.
@roberta. The 2014 accounts have just been filed. Nothing of note in them, the figures are similar to last year's.
hi webmaster try this link
http://www.dawlishcarnivalentertainment.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=79
i can share this as i own the content on this site
however user mcjrpc has no right taking screen grabs of any website without consent maybe you can email me there details.
As for all the other people going on about the carnival when will they learn its a business that needs to earn money to keep it going
what about all the advertisers? the small business of your town if they feel that the advert is not getting the coverage paid for they dont buy the space
i would say after getting a copy of this years program that most business back the carnival 100% a few that keep every year going on about the carnival are more than likely the same people that brought petrol from a supermarket and help send a another well established
business down the pan
bet they will drive one mile to buy there drink all because the liitle shop charges 20p more
i say drink because i think most of them must be out of there skin when they write the same load of nonsense each year
well just for the freeloaders here i have spent 4 hours listing all your carnival events just so you can keep that £2 in your pocket unlike yourselves i do all this free
carry on dont back any local thing at all and when you have nothing you can then spend your time blaming others
by the way i also have the number of times a page is visted so share the link get me a higher page rank at least you will have done one bit of good today
enjoy your drink
After suffering a stroke a few years ago i make mistakes but i don't run a Carnival, the above is truly awful and is the worst i have ever read on this forum.
The website domain is registered to a certain address on Second Avenue. I don't think I need say more about that.
Thanks but I'm not sure anyone cares Ziggy, we're all drinking cider at the spelling bee on the Lawn.
Thanks to the famous five
Flo, Leatash.Oursou,Ziggy,Mcjrpc
I have had 45 hits today on my page thanks to you all (the famous five )
A point of law for you
The website domain is registered to a certain address on Second Avenue?
this is true but I own the copyright of the said domain
Leatash sorry to hear you suffering a stroke a few years ago hope your recovering well
but surely you must value life now more than anyone so why waste your life bitching
Ziggy if its a link you post then you do nothing wrong only when you take content then it becomes copyright theft .
Thanks ZIGGY, but I've just paid £2 for a hard copy. Lots of good stuff - hope the paying public enjoy all of the effort that has gone into the 8 day event, whoever is running the show.
@SoulofDawlish - i supported the carnival for many years, always bought a programme, always took my kids, aways donated money. i stopped once that bile was printed a couple of year's ago from the 'chairperson'. i for one am not prepared to support the present 'business'.
It's a shame, it used to be a great community event but it's not anymore. I find the 'copyright' issue amusing after the comments about forum members' drinking habits above and will treat it with the derision it deserves.
What a shock that the fair takes over yet again! Rowland's backhander donation wins again.
Considering "dlg" can't even spell their username correctly, I don't think Flo needs to take lessons in literacy from them. FAO Elvis, my username is spelt correctly before you say anything lol.
Strange that "dlg" doesn't appear to be a business registered anywhere - so who would be doing the suing??
Anyway mine's a G&T please. Can it wait til tomorrow night though as Friday is a school night for me. Thanks.
Yes have made a full recovery apart from grammar strange but hey there it is and bitching i only wrote what everyone else was thinking and as Eleanor Roosevelt wrote "NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU FEEL INFERIOR WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT"
I feel sad that our Councillors yet again fail to see that a body that applies for a grant from community money should benefit that community.
How does the Carnival benefit anyone other than David Rowlands and the Directors self-esteem?
Where have the core values gone?
At what stage did it become more important to fill the Lawn with expensive rides than to put on good value or free family fun?
The biggest mistake made was to make it a CIC, they can't be got rid of and that just endorses their power trip.
Shame on Dawlish Town Councillors for comparing it to the Air Show which is the second biggest event in the South West, attracting 80-100,000 people and international awards and plaudits.
An event that is run efficiently, with transparency and gets big name acts due to the reputation of the organisers.
As for the muppet that has the domain name- if you designed the website too I'd seriously consider re-training.
oursoul
(your find B.u.l.i.d is website builders qualifications in several different formats)
do your maths and work it out
I am crap at grammar but good at what I do know
take a few screenshots of my work then your find out who will be suing you
and it wont be dawlish carnival as you will find out
if you want the law on copyright feel free to message me
I will be happy to run it past you
"I don't think Flo needs to take lessons in literacy"? no lesson just pointing out sticky key on there keyboard
unlike you i dont feel the need to condemn anyone.
In life you can be good at somethings and not so good at others
as long as you give it your best shot thats all that counts
when you have the capability (or maybe you have)to design with html,perl,mysql,as well as java
and spend your free time designing a website for someone Free
then we might be on the same footing
understand this freeloaders are what they are
(Hope you pay your taxes)
good to hear your ok leatash bet its been hard going though all of that
any way hope you all now just get on with life
because this just nauseates me
I've had my laugh for today
@webmaster does this oaf's threats to unmask us all breach the t's&c's?
Dear Oaf
Not intimidated by bullies.
NuNuff said
Yours
non-quaking in my boots Duckileaks
"webmaster does this oaf's threats to unmask us all breach the t's&c's" ?
(i was referring to your website names (ie the websites you have designed )
hi woodcock the background colour was what was ask for however i would like to duplicate the website with a white background to suit people that suffer from Colour Blindness
was there a reason for your question?
I would like a downloadable pdf version of the carnival brochure
by listing events on website the main sponsor do not get mention
(they have on the carnival website)
i also think a alive stream broadcast of the main carnival procession would be great for people that cant get out. people forget the elderly and disabled as well as those who care for them
i am allways looking for people who would like to help with the site.
Boorish Unreadable Loathsome Idiotic Dross...
But enough about me, eh?
I don't have a problem that you misspelt "Build", it's the fact that you un-ironically had a pop at Flo because of a typo. The only help you need with your website is someone to do UAT on it prior to publishing. And now you falsely claim that it's some form of qualification. I mean. really?
And you need to look up the term "fair use" before you start crying about nonexistent copyright infringement.
End of topic for me.
This was only for a laugh
it's not meant to be personal
no pop just pointing out keyboard not working
spend some time reading this maybe you will then understand
https://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law
UAT maybe you could do it for me
( your grammar seems to be what is needed i can work with you so lets give it a try)
send me a message
qualification look it up as I said do your maths
all the best lets just keep it fun
(i also think a alive stream broadcast of the main carnival procession would be great for people that cant get out. people forget the elderly and disabled as well as those who care for them)
Great!!!
I've been looking forward to the carnival all year. Such great fun for all.
Big thanks to all those who work so hard to put it on each year. 
Just found this on YouTube. The Incredible Hulks win the Dawlish Carnival Raft Race 2015 for the 8th consecutive time !
@Carer, absolutely. friday the grand procession and music, definitely one of the best days of the year.
It's a shame the weather's been so bad, although I'm not a fan of the carnival nor the directors, for the people who do enjoy it it's been a washout.
And the poor grockles, I wouldn't fancy a week in a tent.....
At least the weather will be clearing up later for the Grand Procession. John Nash Drive will be 2 abreast with floats from visiting royalty and pubs and clubs from miles around. The biggest and best procession beckons.
cant wait for 5.30 pm John Nash Drive here we come. Not to sure about Carer's 2 abrest theory though, think those days are well and truely gone. Still got to make the effort for the good of the town.
Wonder what Mrs Cs float wll be like, probably be a bin lorry for all the sh** she spouts on here
Have a cracking Day everyone and just forget the weather
thanks Duckileaks anyone else having keyboard issue on here, did mention it to the webmaster yesterday
me too @FredBassett. when i use ie i have real problems typing on this forum unless i click on the 'source' button. firefox works fine for me, no problems.
Dear Fred, like many I won't be participating in this years Rowlands Carnival. But thanks for your interest in me. You do realise that Carer was being sarcastic, don't you?
Why do we have the same moaning and groaning about carnival week every year. What exactly do people want or expect with regards to relativly free entertainment in this town. A hand full of people try their best to provide the town with at least something different and a lot of others bring equipment and other things to show and do.
If you dont want anyhing to take place in Dawlish then write to the council and object then next year we may not get the required permits and you can moan about something else, and be happy.
On the other hand, if you can do something better then stand up and be counted. Lets see what you have to offer.
It really is time to put up or shut up about carnival week
@ FB
We moan because we have seen better, before it became the Farley/Rowland ego trip.
There used to be something going on on the lawn non stop.
The westcountry TV bus used to be on the lawn, where you could meet some of the presenters. The Marines used to come and demonstrate unarmed combat, plus many other events that are far too many to mention.
Yes Fred, go back a few years and we never used to moan about carnival week as it was run a lot better with a lot more going on.
Right said Fred.
I had a great time. Watched the carnival with a few cans of cider. Enjoyed the band on the lawn with some more cans of cider and finished the night at The South Devon Inn with a load more cider. Zig Zagged home.
Excellent!!!
Plus the fair has its place but its not Carnival Week!!!! People used to be able to sit and relax and enjoy the events without fair music banging out behind them. The perimeter around the arena has been shrunk. Parents cant afford daily trips of spending money on fair rides. Only a few years back more affordable things were there to do.As for do something about it if you don't like it Many have tried with no success due to them becoming a CIC
@Carer and those that agree
Seems you are now changing tact and moanng about what isent being offered insead of what is. Ok do some research and find out way these grorups and activties are no longe included. Let me give you a starting point here Health and Safety Regulations. Times change and things we did years ago are no longer allowed. You keep banging on about some organisational takeover between the Farley's and Rowlands. Let me assure you this does not exist. They are totally seperate commercial entities and speaking from the fun fair side nothing different in the opperational activity is applied to Dawlish than any other town or event. The fun fair activity here is offered in support of an event organisation as with carnivals and is provided under the requirements, restrictions and terms and conditions laid down by local authorities, the Showmans Guild, insurance restrictions etc.
Looking back at photo's from the 90s things have certainly changed i used to spend hours on the lawns enjoying the festivities but the fair slowly took over i wonder why?
FB. A few years ago the fair came under it's own booking as a commercial interest that paid a proper fee for doing so. That fee was roughly the same as the cost of any repairs or groundwork needed on the Lawn.
Now the fair comes in on the carnival booking, the carnival pays the same fee (I understand) as any other organisation or charity wanting to book the Lawn.
So does that mean that TDC no longer gets that money towards upkeep and if so does it now come out of our council tax?
That may be something that those with the time and inclination would care to find out.
It thats true then seeing as the official carnival week ended tonight and the fair is on the lawn till Wednesday who is paying the extra four days rent. It certainly isent the Farleys nor is it the town or district council. Beleive you me the Rowland family pays its own way and that also covers the ground restoration. As for the commet about the fair taking over, again not true the actvities of the past either no longer exist or arent allowed any more its that simple. The fair has no say over how much space is made available to them they are merely notified in advance and provide equipment to suit that amount of space.
If you want someting different next year source it, be prepared to pay towards it (because nothing happens for free anymore) and get the carnival committee to book it.
I honestly do not inderstand the gripes about this issue. The fair is a great attraction for our young (and old in my case) people and is an asset to the carnival week. Mr Rowland does not have to come to Dawlish, there are plenty of other towns that would like the fair but don't get it! We should be glad that Mr Rowland continues to come to Dawlish because it does attract families. And.........to the best of my knowledge (in the years I served on the council) he paid full dues and paid for any repairs to the lawn if needed. At least, that is what was reported to the F&GP committee so why would that not be true?
The gripe is simple Margaret, Fair should go back to having its own week before Carnival and leaving maybe 2rides behind like they used to do. Imsorry but in most peoples eyes the ones Ive spoken to young and old feel that the Carnival is now a side show to the Fair.
Roberta, that's also the opinion of my household, neighbours and local friends. You've hit the nail on the head.
Everyone i talk to feels the same the fair has taken over the comment i here most is "You cant sit and enjoy anything it's to noisy and stinks of diesel fumes".
You may know me as the local celebrity - or not! - who was Balloon Man in the 1969ish Carnival. It's where I made my fortune of a 10 shilling note as a prize. I was then asked to enter the final parade with my bike (Balloon Man had a bike with balloons on it!). Very proud!
The whole thing had been put together by me (with help from my Dad) in a day or two. Crepe paper and balloons.
Isn't this the kind of thing we want to get back to? Easy for kids and families to enter and not expensive?
We used to use the abbreviation KISS in the Army - It meant 'Keep It Simple Stupid' - and it kind of works!