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Webmaster I think it would be in everybodys interest if this was removed in its entirerity please

Hear hear. BE DONE WITH IT.

The people have spoken!

I doubt Cllr Swift will be keeping a screenshot of it ;)

Hmmm! :-)

Before I make a decision, is it the case that the incident was arson and this is now definitive, and there was never any doubt among the police or the fire brigade that it may not have been?

May I ask the reason for removing the thread is ?

It has been allowed to stay open for people to spread lies and rubbish, finally we are getting the truth and are able to show clearly the idiots, I personally think it should stay maybe alter the heading, I also think the few people that have told blatant lies should be monitored for a while.

For me a vote to keep thtread as I think it reveals the truth at the end. 

We have NEVER been told it was an accident involving an electrical appliance when we last spoke to the Fire Brigade it was still being treated as arson. Not only that but this user "Merlin228" is preaching hate against my family and our business and supplying the public with false statements and lies claiming them to be new facts. To name a few no it doesn't seem according to a new 'report' "through an newly installed appliance or something with a heating element left in" caused the fire. Well it's the first we're hearing of it and i'd think we'd hear such an important update on the case before anyone and secondly what new appliance? There was no new appliance to even back this claim up! Then "Annother46" (SUPPOSEDLY the same person with a different user) goes on about how "Mr Holman now has a very valuble tax loss to claim" rubbish, a load of rubbish everything was uninsurable (due to the cafes location) and the fire was NOTHING but a complete LOSS we will get NOTHING back. There were other Discussions on Merlins page again talking bad about my family and business which has since been removed (very curious that) also again I didn't get the chance to see it, it was removed but there are several people that did see him upload a link to my personal facebook account and give out my personal information without my consent or even knowledge of it (Correct me if i'm wrong but that is infact against the law). The point is for whatever reason this Merlin228/Annother46 has for having a grudge against my family and our business it does not justify giving out personal information, claiming there are new reports and saying the fire brigade are wrong, telling lies about tax claims etc. Do you not agree?

Great question webmaster is there anyone can say the Police are saying this is or isn't arson or can we once and for all confirm what merlin's first post is actually correct and arson has not been deemed to the cause of this tragic fire (as told to me by two Police officers).

I agree with George, if this thread stays open all it will do is allow this person to carry on his vile accusations, they are hateful and abusive and could be viewed as trolling or stalking. Linking this page with somebodys FB profile without their knowledge is an invasion of privacy, similarly the same persons actions against his fathers linkedin account. Please webmaster close it now

Annother46, you really need to crawl back under that rock. No pun intended. 

roberta, I must admit I am a little confused as to whether you are referring to Andysport, or myself. I have made no such accusations, I have simply tried to make people aware that I have asked twice, two separate police officer's, and both have said this is not arson. if this is not the case and you have a police officer saying different tell us which one to ask by the way the fire brigade do not make crime reports the police do if what Merlin said is not right remove this if it is lets get to the bottom of it

Another you are unbelievable, you know full well I was referring to you

there are two posts above yours inferring the thread should remain, mine and Andysport, I am at a loss to what accusations you refer I belive the Webmaster has asked the correct question I believe the best person to answer that is the Policeman in charge of the case then its not your truth or my truth

I agree with Andysport lets have the truth

Erm, do you not realise Annother that Andysport is referring to you when he wrote:

"It has been allowed to stay open for people to spread lies and rubbish, finally we are getting the truth and are able to show clearly the idiots,"

Annother you clearly are failing to recall that your hate campaign has not been about whether or not the fire was caused by arson. Like others have said, sadly I believe that you're mentally unhinged. And for that reason I'm oot. 

im sure you will be missed by someone

but still no mention about the police report can no one else answer the webmaster's question what is the Police saying about it ?

Andysport was talking about someome telling lies therefore not me

Webmaster would you like the name number of the officers that told me or the policeman in charge of the case?

Annother46 - no one cares about your version of the truth.  People only need to look at your very first post to see what your slimy agenda is, and it's nothing to do with the public interest.  You are harrassing, stalking and trolling this family and you are also boring the pants off other posters on this forum.  If you and Merlin really are different people why don't you email him and meet for a coffee down at the Pirate's Chest.  Maybe the drinks will be on them for all the good publicity you've brought them. 

still no answers for the webmaster

why don't we all try the Police version ?

not my version

I would like whatever George wants, I think it's George's decision

Annother46 only my personal opinion but I feel it is you that may have got things wrong, I think you should leave the subject/family alone now 

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I think alot of people on this site would agree with you Andysport If I have got things wrong it is because I have been told by Two Police officecrs one in june and one in july that it wasnt arson however  if?  I am wrong I will make a donation to the fund and say no more about it 

IN the mean time is there any chance that someone anyone could ask the people that record crimes the status of this Fire if I am wrong the webmaster can remove this thread and you can all say what a bad person I am and if it turns out that what I am saying is right  you can go have a chat about it in the new Rockpool cafe

BUT IF WHAT IM AM SAYING IS WRONG HOW  COME NO ONE HAS GONE TO THE POLICE AND ASKED THE QUESTION ? and if someone has lets hear it I'm looking for the truth here

FFS they do not want anybody to donate to this fund, and its makes no difference to most whether it was arson or an accident.  It happened, its gone, get over it.

You opened this thread the Webmaster asked a very reasonable question I have tried to answer him and also invted you and others to do the same and stated where the info comes from 

you say "it makes no difference to most whether it was arson or accident." so why do you want to hide this subject without answering the question posed ?

I understand what the first 3 letters of your post mean and request you don't swear

you say "they do not want anybody to donate to this fund," I think I understand why you say this I think it was said on the rock pool cafe FB page over the last couple of days However the link to fund page has been on the same page since the first of May

further more  as I firmly belive the Policeman that told me about the cause of fire I don't think I will need to be donating

@webmaster -given that issues relating to the fire at the rock pool cafe have been covered at great and repetitive length on this website,  particularly by one individual poster, i just wondered if any further discussion on already running threads/new threads should now be prevented?

Not suggesting that what has already been posted should be deleted. Personally I have problems with that. 

Just wondering though if the continution of this topic could be deemed to fall under the trolling/flaming clause and repetitive clause in the Dawlish.com terms and conditions (see my post above).    

@Lynne, @Andysport, you are right. After reading it in full, I don't see any reason for removing the thread. Perhaps, as you say, it would be best to let the debate rest unless new information becomes available.