General Discussion
So the branch is closing in September?
Maybe Paddy Power could take it on and book end with Bet Fred.
I've heard the same thing. Can anyone confirm that it is true? If so, it is yet another reason for people not to come into the town. I'll give an anecdotal example.
When I first came to live here there was a tiny Halifax building society outlet in Queen Street. That was incredibly useful for me (and I suspect others) and in using it of course I came into the town and whilst in the town I would see what the shops had to offer. Back in 2009 I think it was this little outlet was closed down by the Halifax. At that point, other than the now defunct Local Produce market, I had no reason to go into the town. With the demise of the local produce market I now have no reason to go into the town at all.
I go over to the Teignmouth for my financial transactions and whilst there I..........well, I'm sure you can guess what else it is that I do.
The bank is closing the branch in September.
The Town Council wasn't consulted about this. We weren't even aware as the news leaked before Natwest could begin officially communicating their decision. I'm sure we will be protesting against the closure.
I gather the justification is the national move towards online banking and a local reduction in footfall at the branch. It's another indicator that the traditional town centre is going to struggle in the modern world. Dawlish has to find ways to adapt if we are to reverse this trend.
I wonder how many Co-op bank branches ( you know, those that were once the Bristol & West building society which then became part of the Britannia building society which then became part of the Co-op bank) may close for lack of footfall/pressing reasons to rein back corporate spending as much as possible?
I know we don't have a Co-op branch bank in Dawlish but there is one in Teignmouth. Was once the Bristol & West, then became Britannia and now displays the Co-op logo.
Co-op bank finances and governance not too healthy so I understand.............
It seems to be the way things are going with no stopping it. I joined Barclays as there was a branch in Dawlish and in Exeter St Thomas, where I worked. Both went. I do struggle paying in cheques as making time to go into Teignmouth now. The same goes for Bristol and West which was once here. I can longer pay into my childrens' Post Office accounts at the Post Office (you have to send off to Glasgow!) Banking is becoming a major incovenience!
As terrible as this closure is for the town, I don't think Nat West are under any obligation to consult with the Town Council over the matter, they are after all a commercial company and can pretty much do as they please. As did HSBC a few years ago.
Flo you can pay cheques into most of the main banks at the Post Office. Ironically Nat West is one of the ones you can't (and the Post Office Card Account!)
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/branch-banking-services#withdrawals_&_deposits
I hope the cash machine is staying? If not - that's going to be a big blow to that end of town! Does anyone know??
I bank with Nationwide the nearest branch being Newton Abbot and i haven't been there since i opened the account 14 years ago. Over the counter banking will slowly dissapear as tecknology takes over, our debit cards will go as mobile phones will be the way to pay thousands are already using their phones to pay for fuel etc, we just have to move with the times. A few more years and there will be no banks in Dawlish the writing was on the wall when Barclays went then there where 4 now we are down to 1
Same here, I've had an internet bank account since the early nineties and very rarely go into a branch. However, if they're all competing in the online space to sell their mortgages and other products, they'll live or die by their marketing as the local branch won't be their shop front. They've no doubt done their sums and think it's worth it.
I agree that the Bank is not under any duty to consult the local Town Council. I'm just old fashioned enough to think that if you are going to deliver a body blow to a small town's economy, you should have the courtesy to make this known. I'm sure that all of my colleagues on the town council share my disappointment.
The Chamber of Trade leaders have made it clear that they see this as another impediment to new businesses opening in the town. Unlike the average bank account holder they rely on being able to physically pay money into their accounts on a daily basis. They also need the facility to draw out cash in multiple denominations to service their tills. Longer queues in LLoyds or the Post Office will inconvenience all of us, but if your time is spent away from the business that pays your bills you can add a real financial cost to the frustration.
The research for the Lawn Pavillion bid demonstrates real increases in trading figures when Events are held on the Lawn. Maybe that is a part of how Dawlish can break out of this economic slump that continues to bedevil our local traders.
An interesting bit of evidence is that Dawlish branch is 11th in the league of all NW branches (excluding London for obvious reasons) for banking money. So NW can't claim they are closing the branch because it isn't well used! This should form the basis of a strong challenge from the Council.
As a customer I have received a letter about this, the ATM will be closed but Natwest customers can use their debit card to take out cash at from the Post Office, later this year deposits including cheques can also be made at the Post Office.
There will also be a mobile bank available, no days specified yet.
This is only an assumption but I wonder if the PO will actually handle transcations or if Natwest will install a deposit machine there.
Personally if it was a choice to have one of their new deposit machines somewhere in Dawlish in place of the bank I would prefer the machine, they are brilliant, no waiting for the bank to open and no queues, as apart from making a deposit there is no reason to go to a bank these days.
I agree with Michael Clayson, it's another body blow to the town. As a NatWest customer for many years I was very disappointed to receive the letter today. I use the branch regularly and feel sorry for the staff who I presume will lose their jobs, especially Mary, who has always been so helpful and cheerful. The branch has always seemed well-used, to the extent that most of the time you have to queue to be served so I don't know what justification there is for closing this service. More pay for bankers' bonuses perhaps? Incidentally, isn't RBS still part taxpayer-owned; shouldn't we get a chance to have some input in the decision?
What on earth has having events on the lawn got to do with the bank closing? Focus on the bank and let's do all we can to try and save it!
Good luck trying to save it, but I wouldn't put my fiver on it, it's all just a numbers game for someone 'on high'.
Solution is simple - There is only one language the banks understand - Loss of busniness through accounts being closed.
Don't grumble, would suggest everyone simply switches to the one that actually sees fit to retain a local branch otherwise you will end up losing that one as well.
I got fed up and recently switched bank after years of fearing there would be a foul up if I tried to do so.
No problems what so ever, it was all done in one swift move by the new bank.
It looks to me that the future of Dawlish is actually Teignmouth especially on the high street type shopping/banking front.
Have recently been working away in Minehead and one of the first things you notice is the thriving town centre shopping, this in addition to two large supermarkets out of town.
With this in mind and having time on hands did a little internet research with strange results.
Average permanant population Dawlish 14,000 and rising. Minehead 11,000 and declining
holiday maker additions Dawlish no fiqure available. Minehead 6,500 at Butlins plus others.
Could it therefore be reasonable to assume that the decline of our town centre shopping is connected to the reducing holiday accomodation on the Warren, with most of the traditional parks now becoming more residential holiday homes. Or is it as my opening comment that major retailers are favoring Teignmouth over Dawlish. If the later is the case then our town council really do need to look into this.
Just out of interest
Large name shops Dawlish - 9 Minehead - 26
I think Dawlish has become a commuter settlement and really we are more like a village with a few shops catering for basic needs. If we were all honest with ourselves" what is there for the visitors" or the people that live here. We need to face up to the fact that we will have to rely on Teignmouth more and more for our needs, after all its only 3miles away no great distance adequately covered by bus or train. People who live in Exeter have to travel from where they live into the centre of Exeter, they may have a few local shops in their community as we do in Dawlish, but have to travel further afield for many things.
I find FredBassett's post really interesting as 15 years ago I moved to Somerset to take up a new position. I lived about 12 miles from Minehead and at that time it was a one horse town with very little going for it. The main visitors were those staying at Butlins. By the time I moved from Somerset to Dawlish, eight years ago, Minehead had started to regenerate itself and from FredBassett's comments it would appear they have been hugely successful. Twenty-six large name shops in Minehead is astonishing for the size of the town so if they can do it why can't we? Perhaps DTC need to make links with Minehead and learn from them, I'll suggest it at the next Council meeting.
Perhaps geography has something to do with Minehead's succesful regeneration? Looking at a map of the north devon/north somerset area around Minehead it would seem that Minehead is the largest settlement for some distance (until Bridgewater/Taunton one way and then the settlements of Lynton/Ilfracombe/Barnstaple the other.)
Dawlish isn't like that. It has the city of Exeter nearby(ish) to the north and the town of, and shops at, Teignmouth only three miles away.
Have thought for some time that Teignmouth is now Dawlish's shopping centre. That may not make me popular for so saying but it is what I think. However, for those of us still having to pay for our bus fares a £5.50 or so return bus fare from Dawlish to T'mouth is a bit steep (I think so anyway). So, I don't go to Teignmouth anywhere near as often as I would like. Would go to Dawlish (could walk it) but the shops aren't there to draw me.
As I walked down the main shopping avenue in Minehead I did make a list of the 26 main name shops if anyone is interested can post them.
I have to admit I do most of our day to day shopping in Teignmouth and dont really mind doing so. Perhaps Dawlish town centre could be utilized for something else in the future as the number of shops decline. What would be useful would be for the local 186 bus to ferry between Dawlsh and Teignmouth with a reduced fare compared to Stagecoach.
Going back to the original point of Natwest closing. No great loss in my book, its time RBS/Natwest was broken up and sold off anyway in order to repay the taxpayers money
Did a search under Minehead Regeneration. Dunno if any of this lot is of interest/use.
· Minehead Vision Group - West Somerset Council
www.westsomersetonline.gov.uk/.../Regeneration.../Minehead-Visi... - Similarto Minehead Vision Group - West Somerset Council
Minehead Vision Group is a collective of organisations who recognise the ... You are here » Business » Regeneration and Development Projects » Minehead ...
mineheaddevelopmenttrust.co.uk/ - Similarto Minehead Development Trust
Working with the community to identify and develop opportunities for social, economic and cultural regeneration in Minehead and the surrounding area.
· Minehead Vision - projects by the Minehead Developm...
mineheaddevelopmenttrust.co.uk/projects/minehead-vision - Similarto Minehead Vision - projects by the Minehead Developm...
Minehead Vision Group was formed after the Government announced West ... plus community organisations to deliver a regeneration plan for Minehead.
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· About us - Minehead Development Trust
mineheaddevelopmenttrust.co.uk/about-us - Similarto About us - Minehead Development Trust
Trust members are currently drawn from Minehead Chamber of Trade; the ... the Vision Manager will take forward the regeneration ideas embodied in the Action ...
I'm interested to read about Minehead, and would like to know more about how it compares to Dawlish.
One of the biggest challenges for our town is the sheer geography of our town centre. Walking around the Strand and Brunswick, it is readily apparent why major name retailers would struggle to find premises here. Where would Primark or Clark's Shoes find a home? The comparison to the geography of Teignmouth town céntre is very striking
That is why many of us see a part of the solution in creating more events in the town centre that create more of a draw. The evidence drawn into the bid for the new Pavilion confirms that there is merit in this idea, and the Traders are very enthusiastic about the possibilîty.
Actually, I know Minehead well and the vast majority of the shops are no larger than the shops to be found in Dawlish. Lynne makes a good point about the geography and she is right in that people have to travel @ 12 to 15 miles into Taunton and similar to Bridgewater. What is interesting thorough is the growth in tourism as Minehead is not an easy place to travel to. Minehead is not on any train line, other than the scenic heritage railway between Minehead and Bishops Lydeard which is a tourist attraction not a commuter service, so to get to Minehead you have to drive or take a long bus journey. So, to be attracting the visitors they are clearly doing something right. Councillor Clayson keeps talking about creating more events in town but I wonder how realistic that is and more importantly do we really want an event the size of the Airshow every weekend in Dawlish? What about the people who live on Brunswick, the Strand and Brooklands, what will their lives be like if we have events every weekend of the year? No, this needs much more creative thought than simply putting up a giant woodlouse on the lawn in the hope it will attract a lot of artists and have bands playing every weekend. I think there could be a lot to learn from Minehead and I for one would like to be involved in doing so.
I agree Lynne, the bus fair to Teignmouth is eye - wateringly steep and not easily affordable for many people. The train is about half the price and if you buy the Devon and Cornwall card, only available to residents, you get a third off all train fares in Devon and Cornwall. I use the train a lot, I rarely use my car if I am going to Teignmouth, Exeter or Newton Abbot, so the card at £10 for the year soon pays for itself.
Going back to the original point about the bank closing and the knock-on effect to the existing shops, someone on EOD made a good point that the cash drawn out of the ATM on the corner of Brookdale is very often spent by holidaymakers in the immediate neighbourhood. So, no handy ATM means possibly a corresponding loss of income in the few shops we have left.
@Margaret Swift - yes i know about the railcard. have had one virtually since we moved here. thing is though that i live a 15/20 minute walk or so from the rail station and the town. that seems nothing i know but it seemingly gets longer and longer (if you see what i mean) the older i get. by comparison the bus stops are but a 5 minute walk away.
Don't mind that 15 walk so much in the summer as I walk (or I did walk until that was put out of bounds courtesy of the storm damage and subsequent repair work) to/from Dawlish along the sea wall or the beach. Walking along the Exeter Road is sooooooo boring, and in the winter pedestrians are totally exposed to the elements especially if there is bad weather approaching from the south west (which, let's face it, isn't exactly unknown) . There are no places along that road that offer shelter of any kind. So, another reason for my not going into Dawlish - the cost of the return bus fare for such a short distance!
I agree Lynne! Just thought it might be a solution but clearly not. I think the Council need to put a hell of a lot more pressure on Stagecoach to reduce bus fare prices in South Devon. Hubby and I go over to the North Devon Coast a lot to cycle the Tarka Trail and I noticed that the all day ticket in North Devon is £4.50 and the equivalent ticket in South Devon is £7.50! And I bet the same applies to single and return fares between towns. I honestly think Stagecoach need challenging about the difference in prices. And yes, they will say something about market prices but that should not stop us challenging the difference in prices between the two coasts.
The same concerns where voiced when Barclays closed and again when HSBC closed Natwest closing will not make one jot of difference to visitor numbers or the amount of cash spent, by Chritmas it will be as though it was never there. michaelclayson is spot on the future of Dawlish it could be in events a new pavilion on the lawns should have a management committee who can organise a number of high profile events during the summer that will bring visitors into Dawlish.
What about trying to get TSB interested in the NatWest Site,newly reformed bank just might be interested. As regards Stagecoach ever counted how many fare paying passengers use the service.
Big companies can move into Minehead, build new stores, adapt old premises etc. They can't do that in Dawlish because of the vast size of the Conservation Area.
There is no way that Dawlish will attract the big players to the existing Victorian/Georgian/Regency premises on offer - they are too small.
So it really depends on what you want - lift the conservation orders and allow development to get a thriving town centre or keep it as it is and try to attract diverse but niche outlets which won't include the nationals.
The £7.50 all day ticket goes as far south as Plymouth up to Bude and North Devon and over east to Seaton/Axminster.
It is £3.60 in North Devon ..not £4.50 ..
South Devon £4.90..
In Exeter zone the all day ticket is £3.60.
After 7pm you can go anywhere unlimited for £2.80
http://www.stagecoachbus.com/south-west-dayrider.aspx
Re Nat West ..do you think Lloyds will be next?.
Come on Leatash, ok that covers the summer but what about the rest of the year? Dawlish needs to reinvent itself as a year round resort whilst maintaining it's character, something that was lost in Dawlish Warren in 2001 when the Council of the time took away the individual shops and replaced them with the modern looking monstrosity we still live with to this day! Don't get me wrong, the awful bandstand needs to be replaced but this time round we need to get it right and replace it with something that won't look dated and out of place within a few years, won't take up too much of the lawn space so that the character and essence of Dawlish is changed for ever and we need to make sure we are not left with a white elephant! I am not sure what value the 'Cultural Pavillion' will add to the regeneration of the town. We have the Shaftesbury Theatre which puts on wonderful performances throughout the year and shows the latest films every month. A repalcement bandstand with the latest technology for sound should complement the theatre not compete with it, why would we want to be in competition with what they offer? All these issues need careful consideration but some of those wielding power are not objective enough to be able to stand back, look at the big picture and make honest and objective decisions, and that disturbs me.
@wondering, If I use the number 11 bus between Dawlish and Torquay it costs me £7.50. The equivalent ticket in North Devon is £4.50.
Good point Huw. Fortunately the conservation officer who precided over Dawlish, Mr Bland, has moved on. In case you think I am joking re his name, I am not! But.....he did live up to his name! Along with one Councillor he was entirely responsible for the viaduct bridge being painted the awful colour we live with to this day, a colour that does not match any of the town furniture and is truly boring! The issues regarding the development of Dawlish are complex but I fear some on the Council do not appreciate this and see the building of a 'Cultural Pavillion' as the answer to all our problems when in fact such an awful development could exacerbate our problems. Let's hope the people of Dawlish turn out in droves to let the Councillors know their views regarding the development of the lawn.
Some good points here personally I would like to see Santander take over the Natwest site.
Like Margret I to would like to be a part of a Vision group, providing the no names mentioned usual cast arent on it you know the ones that wear hats and dicky bows.
Could it be the future of Dawlish lies on the other side by continuing the re-developing of Shutterton rather than what we currently call the town centre.
"As regards Stagecoach ever counted how many fare paying passengers use the service?"
Ah yes! That, oddly enough, is a plus for me whenever I travel by bus. I always feel so young..........
(and just to say the first digit of my age is a 6 so I ain't no spring chicken meself)
And on the topic of town centre decline. Have a read of this (and the comments underneath the article). http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/31/mary-portas-accuses-coalition-failure-high-stree-shops?guni=Keyword:news-grid%20main-1%20Main%20trailblock:Editable%20trailblock%20-%20news:Position5:sublinks
I find with these threads that folk dont think, they let their hearts rule there heads. Dawlish a year round resort how there is no winter accomodation the BBs have gone the large Hotels we had have gone the camps dont open in the winter so where are all these folk going to stay. The bandstand. Is the worry it will be in conflict with the Shaftsbury my thoughts are a large proportion of the young people who where at the party in the park would never consider the Shaftsbury my daughters comments are "why would we go there its for funny duddies we want more out side music events" The question i ask is why we never make a effort to ask the young 16 to 18 year olds what they want they are the future and may just have something constructive to say and the first digit in my age also starts with a 6. Now the party in the park attracted young people from far and wide 5 of my daughters friends who came had never been to Dawlish and a seed could now have been sown to bring them back and there children back and on it goes the future is in the young what do they want.
I personally haven't posted recently. It has become very obvious that a certain few now only post on here and tend to take over the thread running rough shot over anyone that has an opposite opinion, and sometimes nasty comments, not just on this thread.
No doubt the Nat West building will become another charity shop. It is time that you understand that the traditional high street as we once knew is finished, wheather it's Dawlish or any other town in England we are not alone. Of course there is nothing to do here for families and no doubt that's the way it has been for decades, this is not a year round resort nor is Blackpool, in fact the whole country is not a year round place for holidays in the winter.
What does "hats and dicky bows" mean?
So agree BB.
Been saying that since Barclays left ..all towns are the same as the internet has arrived. I see no point at all in opening a shop..if you do and do well people dont like you foir it.
As for the teenagers/families..seems to me they are happy to live on theri mobile phones 24/7 even on holiday and on the beach I see.
Quite right BB. There is little need for Banks and Post Offices these days. I post quite a few packages, including some overseas, and as long as they are narrow enough to go through the Post Box slot I buy the postage online and print the label, haven't bought a stamp in years, and I am able to post stuff 24/7.
The new Post Offices now have self serve counters for weighing and posting parcels, no counter service for that, it isn't needed, and as long as there is an ATM and a cash/cheque deposit machine then you have a bank, and if those machines are in a major supermarket such as Sainsburys then you have banking and Post Office facilities for many more hours than a Bank ever provided.
That is what the Council should be asking Natwest for, an electronic bank in Sainsburys, not to keep open an old draughty building open only five days a week for limited hours.
Apart from clothing and food I buy almost everything online, that way I have a massive choice that no retail shop could possibly provide.
Many stores offer 'click and collect', a brilliant way to shop, just bought some plumbing stuff from B&Q, no going to the store to see if they have items in stock, just click and collect.
Just in case some 'oldies' out there are going to MOAN that this 'stuff' is for young people I am in my late sixties. The world is changing, Royal Mail are starting Sunday deliveries to cope with online shopping deliveries, no point in thinking the GOOD OLD DAYS will come back, they never existed, they were AWFUL DAYS, nothing good about them.
Well the power of this forum and this particular thread has really caused a few people to sit up and take note.
It seems Councillor Swift at last nights council meeting posted a motion suggesting a working party visit Minehead to have comparrison discussions with their Vision group. Hopefully this will lead to some fresh ideas and more involvement of our own local businesses and residents in looking at ways to improve the future retailing prospects for Dawlish.
well done to @Lynne and others for their input and lets hope our elected council leaders dont cock this one up, as a new vision group for dawlish could be the best chance of a way foward, without relying on the old school self intrest groups as in the past.
@FredBassett, thanks go to both you and Lynne for passing on the information and the very useful links to the work of the vision group. I did raise the suggestion as a late item at last night's meeting and it was well received by all councillors. The challenge now will be to keep the focus strategic rather than operational at this point, but not everyone seems to understand that concept. It would have been far better to have a small focus group to begin with but it seems all of the councillors will be involved in the visit! Hopefully though we may gain some really useful nuggets of information, be able to create our own vision group, as opposed to a working party that focuses on operational issues, and involve a wider group of people, residents included, who have not hither to been involved before.
Sorry, I got the above wrong! It was well received by MOST Councillors. Since the meeting one Councillor sent a condescending email which was rather scathing about my suggestion and about the people who post on this forum. However, the Locum Town Clerk has written to Minehead Town Council and Vision group and hopefully the visit will go ahead.
Would be interesting if the councillor responsible had the balls to post a copy of it on here was it you Michael ? If not then as council leader perhaps you would be kind enough to point out that if any member of your council wish to make comments about the posters on here then we can all be contacted directly by the message facility. Come on lets hear what you have to say
So one councillor disagreed? It seems like the rest were supportive of the idea and got the ball rolling, isn't that a good result? Let's not have a witch hunt.
Michael was very supportive of my proposal and in fact was my seconder to the proposal. He had done his own research and thought a visit would be worthwhile. I have only started posting since I semi - retired in April and so have the time to read about what is concerning and interesting people in our town. In that short space of time I have found the people who post to be genuinely interested in the topics they are posting on and very informative. We would not know about how successful Minehead has been in the last four years if it had not been for the people who post on this forum and Dawlish may well yet benefit from that information.
Can you please make sure that any Vision group includes all age groups. Thanks.
PS, Fred's incorrect assumption about Michael is exactly what happens when dirty linen gets aired in public, Margaret. There really was no need for Margaret to refer to a private email on here. No need at all. If everyone agreed about everything then what a boring world this would be.
Sorry Mrs C there was a need as scathing remarks were made about the posters on here in a cowardly and uninformative way. The person has not made similar comments in public about the posters on here and one wonders why. And when I talked about the posters on here being interested and informative I wasn't including you as I find you to be the rudest person on this forum with little of interest to say.
Margaret - this councillor who wrote the e-mail. Do you know if s/he ever reads this forum or is her/his opinion based on hearsay? Also, was the e-mail sent just to you or was it a round robin to all the town councillors? Just curious.
Thanks Margaret. I love you too.
So why don't you name the sender of the email if you feel so strongly about it? Instead of hiding behind nasty cowardly little innuendo.
@Mrs C i have to say i entirely agree with you, i can't help but think, yes @Margaret Swift certainly does have some very good points and is very passionate about the town. i can't knock that, but you are quite right @Mrs C the amount of dirty linen that is getting aired is uncalled for, unacceptable and not needed in any means.
As a resident to Dawlish, born here and living here for 31 years now all I want to know is what is happening, how and when and what the Council are doing. I do not, nor should anyone need to know what Councillors are privateley talking about, who likes who and who does not and negative attacking agaisnt others, be is Councillors or public.
Keep that to your private conversations and meetings, not openly here.
On the other hand of course there are those who do appreciate Margaret's candour. An independent councillor (she posted on here recently that she resigned from the Voices for Dawlish group earlier this year) who speaks as she finds, who has no party allegiance and who doesn't necessarily conform to the 'rules'. A free spirit.
Keep up the good work Margaret.
If a certain Councillor has been dismissive of the electorate who put him/her into office then the public have every right to know about it.
I'm all for candour. So where's the candour in winding up posters on this forum with insinuation and setting up a fellow councillor for vilification? It's the method not the message I find underhand. That's politics for you though.
Where's the insinuation? MS stated that she had received an e-mail from another councillor in which that councillor spoke negatively of those of us who post on here.
Are you sitting down Burneside? Hope so 'cos.........I agree with you (and I bet that's the first time that's happened!).
Public have the right to know about it, based on one persons opinion who has nit picked through many councillors actions, thoughts and private discussions. As far as I'm aware taking information from private sources and making them public is not only wrong, its unlawful!
But worse is the dirty linen being thrown, it's not called for at all.
@Lynne as i have said ms swift does have some good points and opinions, which i enjoy to hear, but she does not need to include other councillors thoughts and disagreements in every other post.
@burneside yes public have every right to know, but where is proof, or is ms swift the living proof of it because she says so and chooses to air her own dirty laundry?
@Mcjrpc sorry i didn't understand that :d
Bottom line is all the crap that gets spread all the time takes everyone of subject and the focus of the real subject, we want to save our banks, we only have two currently. We as public people need to know what we can do to support it.
Well from what I can understand from all the rubbish above is that if someone is sharing something that is being discussed by Councillors via email, that the means they are communicating through should be strictly private and confidential.
It's the same when the News of the World copied and published private discussions happening, they can't legally do that and therefore end up getting themselves in to a lot of trouble.
to be honest with you @burneside i don't think thats an issue right here, what is, is the dirty linen being aired. no need for at all to be honest with you.
@burnside try reading what was actually written, try doing a bit of research. What I'm saying is that discussing of private information and publishing it is unlawful, and I said clearly if that is what has happened then yes a law would have been broken. What I'm also saying is that I don't feel that what Ms Swift has done, it could be the case that others have just inserted all the crap to make it that way. I'd rather not state someone has if they haven't. You do your own research there. It's not a thread I've been following as I don't have enough money to save so don't require the bank myself. :D
I can clear up Oberserver's concerns as to whether any law has been broken, it hasn't! This was an email sent to all Councillors not marked private or confidential. It was concerning the late item I brought up at the meeting on Wednesday regarding possibly linking with Minehead as we may have something to learn and help us with regenerating Dawlish. The email was quite dismissive of my suggestion, which is fine as we are all entitled to our opinions and since becoming a truly independent Councillor I have come to expect the responses I get from a very small minority of Councillors. But the email also included dismissive remarks about people who post on here and that includes me. From my experience of reading the posts on here I thought the comment was completely inaccurate.
thanks for informing us @Margaret Swift that it was not a private or confidential item and i do hope that in that email it was not an "official" council email. however for goodness sake you have done it again "i have come to expent the responses i get from a very small minority of councillors" have that small miniority of councillors also come to expect the responses they get for you? i guessed so, so let's leave all of that out.
This is a message about Natwest and the bank, and all I read is airing.