General Discussion
Good question for our MP Anne-Marie Morris to get an answer from her spineless conservative and lib-dem colleages in government
@ Fred
Be careful what you say because of the way this forum is going.
You may be called racist and the PC brigade on here will argue the toss about their 'Human Rights' as they are peace loving Muslims.
Soon, we will not be allowed to say the word Christmas as the PC brigade will say that it offends some people as it contains the word Christ and is a Christian festival.
The parents of Lee Rigby are content that Justice has been served but here we have two cowards who ran down a soldier from behind and then butchered him while he lay unconscious. They where so cowardly that they didnt have the guts to face the man face to face their sentence will be governed by the inmates who i am sure will give them a very warm welcome, lets hope their lives are a living hell.
Do you honestly believe that those 2 murderers will be allowed to mix with other criminals in prison?
They will live a life of luxury away from the others eating their specially prepared Halal food and doing what they like.
Shame really.
It would be better if they were set free to roam the streets of Plymouth, Aldershot, or Hereford for some proper justice.
Justice has been done for this sickening crime, though there could only ever be one verdict given the bile-inducing circumstances. I trust that these two cowardly murderers will rot in jail and then rot in hell.
Sadly, I'm sure that most of the Islamophobes on here wouldn't want to listen to the vast majority of Muslims in this country saying that they agree with the sentiments I've expressed.
@ MrsC
Have you spoken to a lot of them then as you seem to know what the 'vast majority' are saying?
Why is it that if someone has an opinion against something, ie, muslin terrorists, people like you automatically accuse them of being an Islamaphobe?
It is an opinion, or are we not allowed to have one now that the PC brigade and 'let's play the racist card' people run this forum.
I suppose it makes a change from being accused a racist.
Are you Welsh Carer? Because based on your logic, we should keep the Welsh well away from babies. Agreed?
There seems to be a little confusion on here between a jury's guilty verdict of which there could have been no doubt, and justice being done.
Im pretty sure the majority of Lee Rigby's regiment dont think justice has been done.
CARER. People who abhor Muslim terrorists are not automatically Islamophobes - just as people who hate Christian terrorists are not automatically Christianphobes.
Sadly, there are too many people/sheep who try to take political advantage of despicable acts of terror, in order to further their racist/religious agenda.
I listened to a Muslim gentleman on the Jeremy Vine show today when he spoke about his disgust at the murder of Lee Rigby and how he felt about hatred of Islam from people because of it. It got me thinking that as a Christian I wouldn't want to be categorised by militant Christian action either today or from history (and if you go back in history then the atrocities undertaken by Christians in the name of their view of that religion are truly horrific) so how can it ever be right to label all Muslims because of the actions of the minority. And don't think that life in prison for these two will be so bad. There are plenty of radicalised young men in prison (a growing and worrying trend) who will hail them as heroes.
The parents of Lee Rigby hold the two individuals responsible, not religion. Out of respect for them, maybe some people (I think you know who you are) could bite their tongue and not use it to bolster their own views
By the way Fred, on this occasion I agree with you. They may have been found guilty but I don't think justice can ever be done.
To Quote you.
"Are you Welsh Carer? Because based on your logic, we should keep the Welsh well away from babies. Agreed? "
Are you a natural idiot or did you get a grant to study it and get a degree?
You talk a load of rubbish. In fact, do you actually know what you are talking about.
The sad thing is, is that you have the right to vote. Scary.
I repeat what I said, as you obviously ignored it while playing your PC/Racist card, are we no longer permitted to have our own opnion?
Instead of having an opinion that appeals to the PC/Anti Racist brigade on here.
I suggest that you take of your blinkers and rose tinted glasses and go live in Brick Lane and walk down the road and give your husband a kiss while holding hands..
No Carer, I'm not the idiot. The post was clearly provocative and illogical but no surprise you failed to recognise that. You hector others with your ill-informed opinions and you bandy about an ill-informed understanding of freedom of speech. You're entitled to your opinion but I repeat, if you judge an entire religion or race based on the actions of some you are racist. I don't know why being called that bothers you so much.
So I and others are only allowed an opinion IF it meets with your approval then.
Also,exactly WHERE have I judged an entire religion or race?
CARER: To put it simply for you. (I had to think about it too), MCJRPC was saying that it's as ridiculous to tar all Muslims because of the actions of these two murderers, as it is to tar all Welsh people because of the actions of the paedophile Ian Watkins.
Some people and I must admit I am one do not believe in turning the other cheek as
some do gooders on here suggest.Without doubt the police should have shot
these murderers when they had the chance.For those who have more lenient
views please explain to the Rigby family.
although I agree with you, I dont think it would have been a good idea as every radical muslim would have been out on the streets killing in retaliation, I think thats what they are waiting for, then it would be civil war. If they had done this in a muslim country I believe they are stoned to death for murder
Who on here has suggested that the other cheek should be turned to this murdering pair? You are imagining things BOLIKING.
roberta
So taking you stance maybe we should not have prosecuted them.
What is scary is the view it could start a civil war.
Here's the rub you have people who value life and others that value
death
What is scary is the way some people on here are rude, personal and slag each other off. Instead of allowing the other person to have a point of view , even if you disagree with it.
@ Bolicking, no thats not what I meant, prosecution had to follow thats OUR law, but cannot understand why we had to waste money on a trial, with evidence showing them murdering. They wanted matrydom and to a degree with atrial we gave it to them. If the Police had killed them there would have been upcry not only from the Muslim Community but some of our own Nationals as well, and that would have also given them what they craved to" be with Allah fighting the enemy in his name"
I know Elvis, when Smella gave her non-rude, non-personal opinion, she was set about like a pack of dogs after a cat.
Agree Mc ...I guess Smella is like many that find it best now not to comment on here.
The forum gives anyone a clear reflection of the town and the people. Which I hope they find useful.
@MrsC
Your words on the A379 sign forum post
"We all have opinions and we're all entitled to them. That's why forums like this are so popular."
It's a shame you don't practise what you preach.
What do you mean CARER? Do you mean calling people an idiot just because you fail to understand what they mean?
@MrsC
Who said I didnt understand what was meant by the welsh remark? I certainly didnt, as it was YOUR assesment. I knew what was meant as soon as I read it.
I just wondered exactly what that had to do with muslims/Islam, so before you start getting on your high horse again, find out the facts first.
Thanks for your clarification CARER. It's a pity that you didn't write that at the time, instead of insulting the person you replied to by calling them an "idiot". Their analogy makes absolute sense, by the way, so to me it was completely relevant.
If you go back and read comments by Smella in the initial thread he/she started, some of that posters comments are very rude, not directed at one one member directly, but at other members in general. You seem surprised by the reaction it caused, but it's obvious that was Smella's intention all along. I have no doubt Smella will resurface at some point, but not necessarily using that name.
http://news.sky.com/story/1184837/woolwich-murder-muslim-leader-warns-of-war Mrs C and Mcjrpc its okay we have nothing to fear according to you, we are just islamaphobic
Rupert Murdoch, who sanctioned the phone-tapping of Millie Dowling and approved the editorials re. Hillsborough, had to go all the way to Kenya to find a single nutter who supports the murdering duo. I think that suggests the opposite to what you say ROBERTA.
Nice attempt at deflection there Mrs C. Millie Dowling and Hillsborough have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread. I highly suspect we have more like Makaburi closer to home. The bomb in the Exeter restaurant in 2008 springs to mind.
Mrs C, but it is the likes of these extremists that do start wars, look back on history and most wars were started by "nutters" as you put it
I completely agree with you ROBERTA that it's nutters who start wars, though that is irrespective of the nutters' religion. However not all nutters start wars.