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Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
10 Aug 2013 12:29

Can someone give me a potted history (in their opinion!) around the politics of the Carnival?  Only moved here in the past year and am intrigued by the Chairwoman's Address in the programme.   How did the five people on the carnival committee get there?  Has there been a coup?! 

I see on Eyes of Dawlish that the Brunswick is omitted from the carnival and pram race route and are offering a free drink to pram race entrants as an unofficial stop.  Is that the crux of it?  Why is the air show separate now? 

Carer
Carer
10 Aug 2013 12:44

Can you tell us exactly what was the chairwomans address?

It would be nice to see it on here for all to see.

 

I think the 'Brunny' has been omitted as it has something to do with David Force & his family. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
10 Aug 2013 13:25

Here it is.  These are not my grammatical mistakes or typos, it's how it's printed. 

 

 

Well here we are come rain or shine, love us or hate us 12 months on Dawlish Carnival is back for another eight days of Family Fun, locals and visitors to our town coming together making new friends as they join in the fun having a jolly old time.
 
A big heart felt thank you go's out to my husband Dave for supporting me also for changing his mind after many talks with him not to leave carnival and believe me it was hard but we the directors talked him around to staying on in the end, between you and me we all know he would've missed it in the end.
 
We all would like to thank everyone who has supported us whole heartily over the last 12 months, its you people who keep us going when others continue to attack us by running us down on social net works trying to break our spirits.  It was sad that because of these people we have lost some valued members of our team. You would think by now they would get the message their not going to break we that are left, they just make us stronger.
Unlike most of these people I was actually born and bred in Dawlish and proud of it as I am to be part of Dawlish carnival. I am honoured to be working with my fellow four directors. We have a great team of committee and Associates members who work hard along side us putting in many hours to put on these eight days for people to enjoy and have fun. I thank everyone of them as I do Ally and Joelle from Swiftprint for all the hours they work producing our carnival programme, the emergency services, shop keepers, business, H&S hire, Mr David Rowland's and son the list could go on, you the general public for coming down and supporting us by joining in the events and placing money in our buckets making Dawlish Carnival run year after year.
 
You may be wondering why none of the councils have not been thanked but we feel they are against Dawlish carnival in one way or another year after year blocking things we want to put on the lawn, while others have been allowed to do what ever they want at their events some times turning a blind eye when it suits. Then its us who get knocked for it. Well enough is enough  any one can put a false smile or a hat on and let the general public think they are behind us 100% then behind closed doors blocking us all the way.
 
You will see we have made two change's this year one to the carnival procession route and secondly the pram race route this is mainly down to health and safety,
 
I hope all who come down to the carnival enjoy themselves and yes maybe some things aren't to everyone's liking but we do our best as my mum use to say you cant pease everyone.
Please dig deep into your pockets and put money into the buckets or the blanket in the arena when we come around.
All that's left to say is have Fun Fun Fun and hope to see you again next year.
 
Maggie Farley
Carer
Carer
10 Aug 2013 14:00

Thanks for that and it's a shame they didn't use a spellchecker or proof reader. A terrible command of the English language, and for all to see as well.

It's not the best chairwomans address to the public, is it.

I'd like to know exactly what and who she is getting at (apart from the councils) when she says:-

"You may be wondering why none of the councils have not been thanked but we feel they are against Dawlish carnival in one way or another year after year blocking things we want to put on the lawn, while others have been allowed to do what ever they want at their events some times turning a blind eye when it suits".

flo
flo
10 Aug 2013 14:55

I think there is a bit of nasty family bickering going on as Adam Dimond, one of the councillors, is Dave Farley's nephew and used to be involved with the carnival.  And now with the blanking of the Brunswick as an attempt to get at the Force family, a lot of pettiness involved.  Shame the carnival can't be run as it was before by people who cared about "it" and not "themselves".

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Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
10 Aug 2013 15:09

Yes, whatever the background (and I'd like still like to know!) it's very poorly written and an inappropriate way to air grievances..  That said, I've been down to the Lawn and it's lively so here's hoping Carnival week is a success.

Paul
Paul
10 Aug 2013 15:44

Pram race route - http://www.dawlishcarnivalentertainment.co.uk/pram%20race/pram%20race%20route.jpg

Re-routed for health and safety reasons. Total BS, it's purely to screw over the Brunswick Arms as everyone knows.

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wondering
wondering
10 Aug 2013 16:45

Wow fancy putting ' Unlike most of these people I was actually born and bred in Dawlish'

she may as well say ...'and if you are not born and bred here you are not welcome'

I dont know how you all put up with it ..glad i got out!

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Carer
Carer
10 Aug 2013 17:28

@wondering

 

Exactly. How to win friends and influence people. LOL.

She obviously never worked in the Diplomatic Corps.

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TheObserver
TheObserver
10 Aug 2013 18:28

I have lived in Dawlish for the 35 years of my life so far, and well have to say something about this as it is a disgrace, a shamble and a disgust. We all know that through the years one person or another on the Carnival has been up to no good, be it money swindling, buisness gain or personal publicity of importance. What ever the reason is, all Committee's have there problems, but this is something else.

The Carnival always used to work, and in the days of old and past Committee members the Carnival grew from strenght to strenght and even set examples as far as im aware that other South West Carnival groups had to follow. Well these days are truley gone. It's now a family affair by the sound of it. The Committee from 15 to 5, it seems like there is one person who "should" know what is required but can't actually do it, who has a wife who feels it is a good idea to slander the Council and Mr Force.

If I were Teignbridge I would be very concerned, and Dawlish Town Council has always supported the Carnival and I'm sure past members of the Carnival would be only too happy to confirm that. Correct me if I'm wrong they even brought them a new PA system or paid for the whole hire of it a few years back.

Well what can we say, I think a few things ought to be said...WHERE has the money of Dawlish gone? WHERE is the common sense of the organisers? WHAT happened to not being a closed shop? WHY is Dawlish letting them do this to people? I do say that I hope the week is successful, however from a programme that had 15 events a day, to one that now has 3, I can't see it. From a Committee that cared about Dawlish to one that cares about themselves, I can't see it.

REMEMBER to STOP at the BRUNSWICK during th pram race if your entering for a free, goodwill half pint, despite the Carnivals very immature and inproper removal of the Pub from the line up due to "Health and Spiteful" reason, and if your not entering the race, why not pop along after anyway!

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Brazilnut
Brazilnut
10 Aug 2013 18:46

Here , Here yes

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Carer
Carer
10 Aug 2013 19:16

Well said Observer.

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User 4549
User 4549
10 Aug 2013 19:57

When I Birdsey took over the Carnival and was asked about the £9000 in the Carnival account his comment was and I quote "we will do with that money what we will" I wonder what it was used for?

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Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
10 Aug 2013 22:13

I have always assumed that the profit goes to good causes in Dawlish but I haven't heard any mention of that.  Am I mistaken?   Is the Carnival a private enterprise? Don't they declare what they do with the money raised? Sorry if I'm behind the curve on this.

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flo
flo
10 Aug 2013 23:32

They are a community interest company now Mcjrpc.  Info can be found at http://www.bis.gov.uk/cicregulator

TheObserver
TheObserver
11 Aug 2013 00:26

Firstly we know Ian Birdsey made some cock ups, but I don't believe he caused harm in regards to funds, I think he just had to many ideas about how to boost his buissness which eneded up biting him on the back side. Yea they always seemed to help charities and other good causes and don't get me wrong, they possibly still do now, but I think they take the "charity starts at home" thing a little to serious and over the top.

 

Flo is correct, they are a CIC now and they don't have to delcare or show there accounts at all. So that Maggie Farley stating that the Council is "a closed shop" then if they can't produce their accounts over the years, excuse me, but what does that make them?

 

It's all very sad, the raft race tonight was a dissaster! They advertise one time in the programme so we all arrived in plenty of time, to find they had already done it and finished it before the actual time stated. Need I such much more. Shambles.

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Carer
Carer
11 Aug 2013 08:07

@User 4549.

You seem to have a personal vendetta against Mr Ian Birdsey, as you keep repeating yourself with regard to that £9000 and what he said.

IF anything was wrong, then I am sure that the fraud squad would have been involved long before now and why (since he left) have they become a CIC, where they don't have to declare anything?

Brazilnut
Brazilnut
11 Aug 2013 09:00

@Carer,   it was ian birdsey that oversaw the formation of the cic

Carer
Carer
11 Aug 2013 09:05

@Brazilnut.

Thank you for correcting me but I am sure that if there were/are any wrongdoings, then as I have already stated, the fraud squad whould be in there inspecting the accounts.

flo
flo
11 Aug 2013 09:10

@Carer, not that i'm making a suggestion that any fraud has taken place, but i'm sure on a separate thread someone posted the info on the cic which included the fact that no accounts have yet been released.

Brazilnut
Brazilnut
11 Aug 2013 09:20
Brazilnut
Brazilnut
11 Aug 2013 09:29

correct me if Im wrong but I think what User 4549 is referring to is the money that was in the Dawlish Carnival Accounts before they changed to a CIC

User 4549
User 4549
11 Aug 2013 09:51

Brazilnut You are correct the money was transferred from the carnival account into the CIC account after the formation. Carer the fraud squad would only get involved if it was reported to them.

User 4549
User 4549
11 Aug 2013 09:53

Carer, Once again you are wrong they have to produce report and accounts yearly and they must be made available to anybody that requests them. I did and I got them and made them available to another poster.

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
11 Aug 2013 11:27

 

@flo. thanks for the link, i understand it better now.
 
A quick search shows that some current and previous directors are directors of Dawlish Triathlon CIC too.
 
There is also a separate limited company (08257689) Dawlish Carnival Ltd, registered 17/12/2012 to which Maggie Farley was appointed director on 3rd June 2013.   Would be interested to know if there are any transactions between DC LTd  and DC CIC. 
 
FredBassett
FredBassett
11 Aug 2013 22:05

This is all getting a little boring now dont you think, Carnival and the fun fair is about people having a good time  doing something a bit different from the norm.

Who really cares about who said this and who said that

Organising events like this weeks is difficult enough without all the back bitting miserable people moaning and groaning about it.

Get down the lawn have some fun and back the people trying to do something in this town, not the ones trying to stop everything cause its a little inconveinient and costs a bit of money.

To those who think they can do any better, give it a go there's no problem having two carnivals in one year.

TheObserver
TheObserver
11 Aug 2013 23:58

@FredBassett i don't know who you are, that does not matter. but it's time to face some music. carnival was fun. people are not having a good time. but you are right its different from the norm for sure, it's an epic shamble from the norm. i know exactly what you mean when you say "who really cares about who said this who said that" i know for one that no matter what people say to the current committee, no matter how many people offer help that the current committee certainly don't care.

Your quite right events like this take much time and it's almost like having a second job and can even affect your main job sometimes. I've assisted the old Carnival in the past and worked at some of the countrys biggest festivals, and funny enough they all get complaints in one form or another, and they are successfully dealt with. But with all respect people have a right to be back bitting, miserable and moan and groan about it, and I for one will be one of those, because enough is enough.

Again you are right it does cost a bit of money, and that is money that the good people of this town put into it, via donations, goodwill and support, and to see it turned into shambles is extremely sad, so I ask where has the money actually gone, why is there now a Limited Company also set up assisde of the Community Interest Company? Why can't the organisers expect they are upsetting allot of people.

Many think they can do better, and so many have done better in the past. People have tried to work with the current Committee to be turned away and told they are not welcomed of needed and that thier helped would not be required. There is proof that this is the case so it's not worth arguing it.

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MariconDawlish
MariconDawlish
13 Aug 2013 02:27

 

 ' Unlike most of these people I was actually born and bred in Dawlish'
What sort of impression does this give to Visitors to our town? As a Business owner I am very pleased to welcome everyone. 
 
The address by Maggie Farley is petty and an inappropriate way to air grievances. We should all be pulling together for the benefit of this fantastic Town. 
 
I for one will be making sure I stop at the Brunswick. David Force is to be commended for the hard work that he undertakes throughout the year for the benefit of Dawlish and its residents.
 
I trust that everyone will support the Carnival and all the local Businesses. 
 
We all need to ensure that this nonsense is NOT repeated next year.
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wondering
wondering
13 Aug 2013 11:08

ecilop ..you need to watch what you say..re personal remarks to named people. Cases are now being made rightly and people are now having to face the music to what they have said online.

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ecilop
ecilop
13 Aug 2013 11:44

sorry to upset the concerned

ecilop
ecilop
13 Aug 2013 11:57

What does the carnival cost from start to finish? Why can't a sponser from a large business be found for next year, who could part fund it. Perhaps the large supermarkets in and out of town

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
13 Aug 2013 12:19

David Force - shame that this thread took an unnecesary turn just then but if you're still reading...      Can you throw any light on what's going on with Carnival week and why there's appears to be a schism.  I've been a visitor to Dawlish for years, I used to take a week off work for Carnival Week.  Now I live here and I am doing my bit to support it but it all feels a bit lacklustre. I read that you had offered to assist but for whatever reason this was rejected.  What ideas did you have?  I appreciate this might be a delicateissue and you may not want to be drawn into this discussion.

Brazilnut
Brazilnut
13 Aug 2013 12:23

The Carnival used to have several business"s in the Town who used to sponsor individual events, the boards around the Lawn used to inform you and the adverts in the Carnival Programme. Fundraising events were held throughout the year, and by running stalls on the Lawn during Carnival Week, plus small concerns used to pay to have their rides etc Carnival week Rowlands used to have 2 rides their was also a simulator, Carnival Committee used to run their own Bouncy Castle, which was always busy. On top of this used to have draw ticket selling for a bottle of spirit 50p a go which used to be done several times a day, 5 tickets a pound to win something off the bottle stall,etc plus blanket being taken around the arena. The more events you put on in the arena the more people you get

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Lynne
Lynne
13 Aug 2013 12:32

I wonder what the Gazette will have in tomorrow's edition about all this? And I wonder how many letters it has received?

Find out tomorrow, won't we. 

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ManoftheBrook
ManoftheBrook
13 Aug 2013 13:24

Mcjrpc. There is a huge groundswell of support for the Carnival which has been such a successful event over the years. Sadly, the committee don't seem willing to accept the help they are offered. I'm not sure why, but the committee does seem to have taken against me. Unfortunately, their decision to reroute the procession and pram race so that it avoids the Brunswick Arms (run by my son, Dan) will also affect several businesses along Brunswick Place, as well as the theatre.  I think the committee works incredibly hard throughout the year and has a wealth of experience, but I think they would be more effective if they had a team of volunteers around them to take a lot of the burden off their shoulders.

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ecilop
ecilop
13 Aug 2013 13:48

I have deleted at my end.

ecilop
ecilop
13 Aug 2013 14:02

@ManoftheBrook have checked my threads and it is deleted.

ecilop
ecilop
13 Aug 2013 14:12

@ManoftheBrook have checked on iphone and also does not show.

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
13 Aug 2013 14:18

ManOfThe Brook - thanks for your response.  I have been down to the Lawn every day and will continue and I hope the week is an overall success.    Once it's over why not invite the organising committee and interested people of Dawlish to get together for a calm and well-meaning discussion about it all.  It can't be easy for the organisers hearing/reading gripes and groans and if people are constructive and positive, they might feel less defensive. 

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wondering
wondering
13 Aug 2013 14:33

...the law knocking on ecilop door has taught him a lesson! Glad David Force was going to act..more should do that and perhaps people would be more careful..

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ecilop
ecilop
13 Aug 2013 14:39

@wondering. yes will be more careful next time. sorry to all. is it now deleted 

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Brazilnut
Brazilnut
13 Aug 2013 15:08

Mcjrpc what you suggest was tried in the Autumn of last year, the Carnival Committee refused to attend , with the exception of Ian Birdsey, who after the meeting was forced to resign

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Brazilnut
Brazilnut
13 Aug 2013 16:36

Soooooooooooooooo the Carnival Committee told David Rowlands that the "Brunny" didnt want the Pram Race or Carnival coming up Brunswick Place!!!!!

TheObserver
TheObserver
14 Aug 2013 00:07

I just see shame after shame, Sir Force did nothing but offer support. Mr and Mrs Field did too and I know a handful of other people who offered there support and assistance and they were all rather quickly and forcefully turned away and told that their presence was not welcomed or needed. The week is not going the best and I have taken my little'un down on numerous occasions and it has been very poor. Tonights pram race I have to say was quite successfull, apart from not as many entrants, and pathetic route, people being disqualified for stupid reasons and it once again turned what would have been good into something bitter and petty.

Well we can all moan and have our say, and those who support the Carnival will say "why don't you do something and help" or that "the week is fantastic" well people have tried and are not allowed into the closed shop and in fact the week is a shamble, I could help to notice that the Chairman or whoever he did not give a very respected image, and the programme message from the Chairwoman was a disgrace! It's not just Dawlish that gets affected, but people who come here on holiday.

i don't care what anyone says this is all about me myself and i, what i can gain and how important i can look. and i still ask myself and dawlish, where has the money gone, why have they got a ltd company aswell as a cic? i guess at the end of the day we "want a reaction" and "are not going to get one" well no dawlish carnival, we want answers, truth and honesty. as @ManoftheBrook rightly said, they do work hard without a doubt but for all the wrong reasons and with no respect for anyone other than selves.

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Lynne
Lynne
14 Aug 2013 07:21

I'm toying with the idea of drawing JK Rowling's (she of Harry Potter fame) attention to all of this. After all she had a book published last year about small town politics (The Casual Vacancy) so perhaps she might like to write a sequel about small town carnivals. Perhaps we could ask for a slice of her royalties and have it donated to an event in the town. Any thought on what event?  Carnival perhaps?

(on the other hand I suppose I could try putting pen to paper myself .............)

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Carer
Carer
14 Aug 2013 08:12

@Lynne.

 

Nice one.

After reading Ms Farley's address in the carnival programme, the only events that I will be supporting (until she steps down or leaves) are the Air Show and Party in the Park.

At least with PitP you know that the money does go to a worthwhile cause, namely the Poppy Appeal.

 

PS.

No, I am not Dawlish born & bred but I have supported the carnival fully in the 15 years I have lived here, and Yes, I am disgusted and take offence (like many other outsiders who now live and work in Dawlish) at Ms Farley's comment.

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Brazilnut
Brazilnut
14 Aug 2013 09:03

now the Mayor has been told hes not welcome to head the Carnival Procession. Todays Gazette

Lynne
Lynne
14 Aug 2013 09:57

This letter is in today's Dawlish Gazette:

 

"Don’t wash dirty linen in public

Wednesday, 14 August 2013

polly Jeanetta Brown, of Holcombe Road, Holcombe, writes:

Having been a resident of Dawlish for 21 years I, along with many, have enjoyed the fun and thrills of the carnival since I was a small child.

I am also very aware that the Dawlish Carnival is not only for the town’s pleasure but strongly supported by our yearly wave of tourists.

A relatively quiet seaside town during the winter months, the carnival is a chance for Dawlish to shine every summer.

A large contribution to the Dawlish Carnival is, of course, the annual programme. Not only a guide for events, the programme is often kept as a holidaymaker’s souvenir, a booklet of fun, games and photos that will provide all with happy memories.

It is on this note that I would like to issue a complaint, in particular concerning the chairman’s address. The chairman is not only chosen to ensure the carnival runs smoothly, but also to represent the voice of Dawlish.

Every year hundreds of tourists read such an address and, through its words, form their own primary judgments on our area.

In this case I cannot see the opinion on Dawlish being particularly high. Not only is it glaringly obvious that the piece has not even been edited (as can be seen by the appalling grammar mistakes) but the general tone suggests large levels of both pettiness and bitterness.

The address is not a welcoming letter but rather a rant; dirty linen is being washed publicly and hence leaves a nasty taste in all mouths.

I do not doubt that the revival of the carnival has been difficult and has needed a huge amount of commitment to keep it afloat.

However such behind-the-scenes disputes should remain so. As a town that strongly relies on the tourism trade, Dawlish cannot afford to offend or to become an object of mockery.

I do hope the carnival is successful this year and is not too marred by such a mistake."


 

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Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
14 Aug 2013 13:55

 

I thought I'd wait for the week to finish before reaching any conclusions about the Carnival, but it doesn't seem necessary.  The Dawlish Carnival organisers need to hang up their hi-vis jackets and exit the arena.  Maggie Farley had already proved herself unfit to represent the interests of Dawlish with her lamentable Chairwoman's address in the Carnival brochure.  Add to it the poor promotion, disorganised events and petty vendetta against the Brunswick and it looks like it's all coming apart at the seams.
 
Didn't I recently read that the Carnival committee lodged a complaint about two Councillors who were unwilling to support its grant application for a gazebo and instead voted to buy it for the town and loan it the Carnival and other good causes for free?  Seemed like a fair deal to me.  Now today I read that the mayor of Dawlish is not invited to lead the Carnival because of perceived lack of support from the council.   Is it possible that support could be  lacking because the organisers are not deserving?  Is it possible that the boast of being 'Dawlish born and bred' has made Maggie Farley blinkered, territorial and paranoid.  'INFAMY, INFAMY, THEY'V'E ALL GOT IT IN FOR ME', she cried.  What a carry on! 
 
I'm sure they do work hard and I would have some pity for them if they were well meaning but their actions smack of vindictiveness.  Where there's a committee there will always be politics but these people are clearly out of their depth and not fit to operate at the level required to make the Carnival a success.  Whether their actions are unanimous within the committee I don't know, I'd be voting with my feet if I was a member of it.  
 
Time for them to go.  Time to set up an alternative event which has the good of Dawlish at its heart.  Leave it for now, give it our support and hope the rest of the week passes without incident then get organised for next year so that this rubbish isn't repeated. 
 
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Carer
Carer
14 Aug 2013 14:01

@Mcjrpc

'INFAMY, INFAMY, THEY'V'E ALL GOT IT IN FOR ME', she cried.  What a carry on!

Excellent and a good film also. smiley

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
14 Aug 2013 14:13

To be even handed though, I see there's no mention of Carnval week on the Town Council website.  Why exclude it when other events are listed. 

http://www.dawlish.gov.uk/eventslist.php

 

Carer
Carer
14 Aug 2013 14:26

@Mcjrpc

It's a shame no-one thought of looking at thCouncil events diary a few weeks ago before all this came out in the open.

It is possible that the Carnival was mentioned but removed when Ms Farley opened her mouth.

Edit.

See response from Michael Clayson 3 below this.

michaelclayson
michaelclayson
14 Aug 2013 14:30

The events listing on the town council website operates by the organisers of events submitting their own entries which are then automatically placed on the website so long as they are in no way illegal.  ( underage drinking Raves etc) If there is not an advert for the carnival then it must mean that one was not submitted.  

The town council regularly gives publicity to the Carnival, most recently through the Summer "Town Crier" newsletter.  1000s of which were distributed around the town inside the Dawlish Post

You can see the Town Crier on the council website, half of page 4 is given over to promoting the Carnival

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Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
14 Aug 2013 14:34

Thanks for clarifying that Michael Clayson.  

Oh well, it confirms my opinion about the organisers' lack of promotion....

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michaelclayson
michaelclayson
14 Aug 2013 14:36

Carer - Your posting crossed with mine

 I can 100% guarantee that no posting would have been removed.  It is for each group in town to submit their events listing using the automated process and I can only summarise this was not done

See page 4 of TC newsletter on the website for Carnival publicity 

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Carer
Carer
14 Aug 2013 14:40

@Michael.

Thank you for clearing that up.

HAve just looked at the TC so the fault does lie with CIC.

I have just edited my posting above.

FredBassett
FredBassett
14 Aug 2013 15:24

Would it be posible for those wishing to take over the Carnival operation to make themselves and their experience in running such known. Perhaps the admin of Dawlish.com could open a section specifically for this purpose.

I dont see the point in all this petty back-stabbing from both sides of the fence unless the people responsible are prepared to take up the baton and provide proof of their commitment. Running a week long event is not something that can be arranged in two minutes, and without taking sides I doubt most of the complainants have the knowledge and experience of Dave Farley.

Its time all those with something valid to say have a single place to say it and that those with Dawlish at heart start working together for the good of the town. This means the Council, Gazette, Chamber of trade, Police, sponsors and volunteers. N

Now stop winging and stirring and get on with it or once again we will lose out to Teignmouth

Carer
Carer
14 Aug 2013 15:37

@Fred

I agree with some of what you say, but like many many others in this town, I am not Dawlish born and bred, and although I have fully supported carnival week every year since moving here, and participating as well, I take exception to what Maggie Farley said in her address in the programme.

That has really turned me off of them so this forum gives me and others a chance to get things off our chest.

 

Ms Farley seems to forget that thousands of Non Dawlish people have supported this carnival through the years and what would happen if we stopped supporting it?

You have seen for yourself in this and/or other threads, that people have offered their help only to be turned away, so it's not for the lack of trying, they (cic) have shown that they dont want anyone to help.

 

Enjoy the rest of your day.

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hedgehog69
hedgehog69
14 Aug 2013 16:01

 i would be more than happy to put myself forward to help organise the carnival next year as i tried to help 2 years ago at a meeting and was told after i wasnt exsperaince enough to help funny that my dad was on carnival com for over 25 years so most of my life was down there helping out i also ran the dawlish twirlers for over 20 years taking kids away to major comps all over europe,but i was turned down not for the reason they gave but because my face didnt fit and i would ask too many questions and not be a yes sir no sir person 

i beleive now this has gone much further and is getting very nasty and not a good picture of dawlish at all 

the problem i think is they now dug themselfs into a big pit and have no idea how to get out of it

its makes my heart break to think all those who made the carnival what it was would think of this mess now

so please dawlish people lets sort this now before we lose our carnival for good 

so put your feet in action and help us who want to change it make it happen 

as for this the mayor is being turned away from carnival just show how petty and stupid this is getting now

lets put a end to its and do something now 

 

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wondering
wondering
14 Aug 2013 16:09

Maybe the easiest thing would be to ask Teignmouth if they will organise it next year.

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TheObserver
TheObserver
14 Aug 2013 16:15

Right time for an update because so much is happening all over the place I'm begining to loose track of what is occouring.

 

Lack Of Support - So people and the Carnival say they don't get enough support? BUT they are offered support by townfolks and councillors all year around and actualy turned away and told that they are not wanted and their input would not be apprechiated or required.

 

Lack Of Funds - So the Carnival say they don't have enough finacial backing? BUT where is the money they raise all year round gone, why is so much money unacounted for, why do they ask the Council for over a grand for a gazebo! Why could the old Committee of 15 raise the funds, but this lot, not?

 

Health & Safety - So the Carnival state they can not go up the Brunswick due to H&S? BUT it has never been a problem in past years and I being a nosy bugger questioned an H&S Officer for Devon County and Devon Highways today to ask if there would be any reason to which his reply was no. Why was it's a Knockout cancelled last year because H&S would not allow it, but this year they will?

 

Rudness - So the Carnival decide they will be rude and "hang dirty laundry" publicly - WELL you have done no favour here. Mr Force has supported the Carnival in more ways than anyone can remember and for him for one to be dishonered is a disgrace. The Council DO help the carnival and have supported them in so many ways throughout this year and the years, and even recently still wanted to help but also provide for other groups too! Members of the Town have tried to support and be involved. All for Her Majesty Maggie Farley to throw disgrace and slander at them!

 

CONCLUSION - I actually want to keep writing, but like the Carnival, I can't be bothered. Looking at it we have people want to help, money going missing, healthy and safety being used to much for an excuse and rudeness to an un-called for extent. Well let's be real the lead organisers of the Carnival being the two Farleys and Family are only interested in the Carnival Float, and will possibly try and leave this year and take it with them! BUT that float was paid for and funded by people of Dawlish and was handed over on compeltetion as an asset to the Town, it was made at Dartmoor Prision, and I hope that if they do try to take it, the council steps in.

 

We also now know they have a CIC and a LTD company set up, what an earth for? Someone on a legal side should and I hope is keeping a close eye on that one. You know the Carnival has lost it's fun and pretty much everyone accept friends and family of those involved seem to agree. Well it is not the end of the Carnival but it is about time this lot do one thing right and say thank you, we tried, we did the best we can and hand the assets and funds to the Council for them to find a new team to take on the challange. I can name 50 or people who would help.

 

And that's it, make what you make of it, think what you think. But the bottom line is "What a joke" and it's goodnight from him, and goodnight from me.

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User 4549
User 4549
14 Aug 2013 17:27

The Observer your comment "  Carnival being the two Farleys and Family are only interested in the Carnival Float, and will possibly try and leave this year and take it with them! BUT that float was paid for and funded by people of Dawlish and was handed over on compeltetion as an asset to the Town, it was made at Dartmoor Prision, and I hope that if they do try to take it, the council steps in"                           . Did you  know that they took the float to Bristol and used it for their wedding and the minister that married them was then invited to open the carnival that year                                   

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HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
14 Aug 2013 22:56

According to the Govt. CIC website all assets of a CIC belong to the group that they represent. In this case that would be the community of Dawlish.

Don and mary
Don and mary
14 Aug 2013 23:44

My wife and I met the gentleman who does the website for dawlish carnival and were shocked to see he has put a listing for the Brunswick arms on the page for dawlish public houses he told us that he had rung the Brunswick to make sure they were happy with the listing which he said they were. As he does not have anything to do with the carnival

He seems to put a lot of time into this website, when my wife ask what he charge them his reply was he charges them nothing at all

His opinion on there last website  was interesting he told my wife that a previous director charged the carnival for hosting  the website it turn out it was this directors  reselling account  and charged the carnival more for one year than they pay for there current site which has three years  so that director certainly made money from the carnival

We all know who he is as his name comes up quite a lot on this site also how much did he make from the photos he was taking well on the carnival committee.

As for the rest that are running the carnival I would say yes they work hard but need to get help where needed not turn people away you can not run a closed shop.

As for the current web designer I would like to see him post his thoughts here

He has some good ideas and gives up a lot of time to do the web site lets hope his help is more appreciated by the committee then they show to every one else who offers help

I will give it little time before they turn on him as well or get rid of him for health and safety reasons  

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TheObserver
TheObserver
15 Aug 2013 00:01

@User 4549 yes im very aware that they took the carnival float to bristol for their wedding WHICH WAS at the expense of the DAWLISH people who donate to the carnival. The Minister is related to Mr Farley, opened the Carnival that year and they also made the theme Weddings. Which was basically all about them, and I believe to be spiteful and hurtful to people they know.

 

@Don and mary i have to say the new website is very unprofessional and having worked in the graphic and web design buisness as a hobby for 20 odd years i can understand why the current person does not charge, and why the previous person did charge. to be fair i know the person who hosted the carnival website before the last and he did it for 8 years but carnival still had to pay for the hosting and it was sold on when he left. it's not cheap so i don't think the previous director or that previous committee member can be knocked there.

 

People have had enough I guess. We can not knock the work anyone puts it, but open your eyes and listen to the people. For the love of all that is good, Mr Farley was a well respected and much liked person, but now, and nothing to do with the Carnival he is not so much anymore. I have no doubt that he is possibly the best person on that Carnival and one of the main knowledgeable people left, but get a grip and come down to earth. Stop making it a family affair and allowing the spitefulness to others and accept that you need to step up and do something.

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Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 04:57

The Observer

Thank you for that reply  if you  worked in the graphic and web design buisness as a hobby for 20 odd years can you tell me what the old website used was it design and coded by that gentleman i am sorry but i dont know him have just been told his name is ian  and he gets bad  reviews put on here a lot 

also why was the carnival float taken to bristol for their wedding ?

Lynne
Lynne
15 Aug 2013 07:39

Blimey, the ideas for a novel about a small town and the machinations concerning its carnival just gets better and better.

Trouble is, it wouldn't be a work of fiction would it?   

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User 4549
User 4549
15 Aug 2013 07:39

Don and Mary.  It was their wedding carriage. Luvvly Jubbly

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Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 07:56

yes but who paid for that ?  dawlish?  or did they pay?

 

TheObserve can you tell me what the old website used was it design and coded by that gentleman you were on about

Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 08:08

User 4549  did you know why a link to the Brunswick arms was put on there website yet pramrace was not? included in stops

User 4549
User 4549
15 Aug 2013 08:09

I am afraid I cannot confirm who paid for it but have my suspicions. About the web site I cannot help with that one, but can confirm Ian had the contract to maintain the councils computer, as far as I know  he no longer has that contract. A local councillor will be able to confirm that.

Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 08:18

who is ian?

can nobody see the accounts of dawlish carnival

Carer
Carer
15 Aug 2013 08:25

Just looked at the website and very amateurish indeed.

The menu on the right under the list of supporters & sponsors, very poorly written from Facebook page down.

The first gallery of photos, Step 2 Starz or Step to the Starz, (they can't make up their mind as to what they are called) the photos have the appearance that they are of very poor quality. Ok, they may look better larger, but you cannot see them large.

Pram race was 2 days ago and still no photos.

At least when Ian Birdsey done the photos, the pictures were available to view either immediately after the event or in the case of the pram race, first thing next morning.

 

Still, Diamondogz tonight. cheeky

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TheObserver
TheObserver
15 Aug 2013 08:34

WEBSITE - Yes it used to be run by the Director of the Carnival Committee, and before they became a CIC it was run by a couple of Committee Members, the Carnival have always paid for there hosting. The previous Director used a template so there would not have been coding and designing involved, just hosting and running. Whereas when the Carnival had a Committee the site was designed and personalised, used to be smart.

 

FLOAT - As far as I have been informed after speaking to a former Director the float and it's fuel was paid for out of Carnival Accounts, so this means it was spent with using money that Public have donated. But what we forget is every bit of money that gets donated now goes into a buisness so in that case they do not have to provide a copy of thier accounts to anyone and henseforth can remain a closed shop. Even so one fact that is 100% they used the Float of Dawlish for their wedding! Disgusting.

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Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 09:12

 Observer

you seem to know what  you are talking about

why dont you offer your help to the guy who does the website now ive met him and he seems a nice bloke who has nothing to do with the carnival  my wife and i like his website but maybe you can put some input 20 years is a long time so you must have good experience have you got any websites

i think it would be a shame to see this guy get treated like they treat everybody else

User 4549
User 4549
15 Aug 2013 10:20

Observer, you can get a copy of the accounts from using the carnival web site under contact

hedgehog69
hedgehog69
15 Aug 2013 16:31

dont hold your breath on getting them im still waiting for accounts of the carnival committee since 2011 when they went from a com to a company was told o would get some still nothing and yes even comapny have to have accounts that anyone can see 

User 4549
User 4549
15 Aug 2013 17:03

Hedgehog69.      I managed to get them

Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 17:49

buy a copie from Companies House its about £2

 

Annual community interest report
A CIC must file with its accounts an annual community interest report which will be placed on the public record at Companies House and copied to the CIC Regulator. The report must include details of the remuneration of the directors, the
dividends paid on shares and the interest paid on capped loans. It will also need to explain what the CIC has done to benefit the community and how it has involved its members in its activities.

 

still waiting for the TheObserver to reply to post from this morning

hedgehog69
hedgehog69
15 Aug 2013 18:06

well we was promised them by maggie farley still got email here saying that she would get them for us after that shambles of the last agm and still havnt got them 

but i know something has to be done without any malice or nastyness this is our carnival 

flo
flo
15 Aug 2013 18:08

@Carer.  the carnival phographer is sally stephens i think.  i haven't seen the quality of the pics on the carnival website but she has her own site and they seem to be okay http://www.flickr.com/photos/sallystephens/collections/72157635054591304/.  Can't see any of the pram race though.

Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 18:22

hi flo

do you think that maybe the website guy is getting all the crap photes  that they cant sell ?

maybe hes being let down like the rest of dawlish

Carer
Carer
15 Aug 2013 21:18

@flo

There are 2 photographers, the other being Steve Clark, who was on duty alone tonight for Diamondogz.

They should have had something on the website by now.

As I said earlier, Ian had them for viewing immediately after an event or first thing in the morning.

 

I must say that since my earlier post, some work has been done on the website but the grammar and punctuation is still something to be desired.

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Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 21:57

hi carer @flo

yes their should be more for the website as you might have seen in my earlier post i have met the guy who now does the website maybe he has listened to what you have said i have told him about this post here.

Observer, had a lot to say but has gone quite since he was invited to help this guy out

 

maybe you could post what you see being wrong with the website with detail or message me and i will give you his details. but hoping he will join this site.

See you already have had your input listened to, if everybody done this then you would have a good working team

5 stars to you for constructive criticism

 

David
David
15 Aug 2013 23:08

There is a growing group of experienced and influential people planning to meet in September. Hopefully this will include the present committee who have a wealth of experience behind them. They will be offered all the help they need to iron out the current problems and move the Carnival forward next year. It is too big and too important to the town to entrust its running to such a small group of people, no matter how hard they work. Members of other groups who organise events will be invited to offer their thoughts on how this can best be done. The meeting will be publicised so anyone who feels they would like to take an active role can come along. There will be no recriminations and a line will be drawn under the past. We want Dawlish to be proud of its Carnival and retain its reputation as the best in the West. Together we can make it happen. Watch this space!

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Don and mary
Don and mary
15 Aug 2013 23:28

bravo bravo  more constructive action well done david

but i hope you will also sort out the people who only get involed to line there own pockets

and i hope dave farley will still lead the carnival like you say he has the experience not sure about the rest of them but we all know they do work hard lets hope friday is a good day for dawlish

 

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TheObserver
TheObserver
16 Aug 2013 00:01

@Don and mary unfortuntley i am a working man and can not spend a great deal of hours on here, so did not qo quiet for a reason. feel free to message me the person name and contact details and i would be only to happy to deal with it or pass him onto someone i know who used to run the carnivals site.

 

I'm being out of line here and well it's personal opinion but Dave Farley is the only one worth keeping in my eyes, providing he returns to the person that we all used to know. Too many past members who were extremely valuable have be knocked down and pushed away and even to the extend where they have been told that there help is not apprechiated or required. Disgusting.

 

Furthermore I have spoken to my Cousin who's daughter just happens to be yes, a Wakefield Majorette, they are still going and DID feel that the way they were treated last year was not worthy for them to visit this year, and with certain members no longer involved that they did not feel as welcomed as normally would. So there is a another "no surprise"

 

 

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HuwMatthews2
HuwMatthews2
16 Aug 2013 01:05

Quick warning! Two of us have detected a virus on the Carnival Website.

 

I hope that isn't as a result of all that's been going on.

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Don and mary
Don and mary
16 Aug 2013 13:09

have sent you a message Observer let us know how you get on

Don and mary
Don and mary
16 Aug 2013 13:11

Carer  just sent you a message let us know how you get on

Carer
Carer
16 Aug 2013 18:42

@ Don & Mary

Thanks for that. I will get onto it after my holiday late september.

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