General Discussion
Norman Baker would like to see the Parking fines increased to the same level as London £130.
Norman Baker is typical of the scum making a total balls up of running this country.
His involement in parking issues should be to review the legality of local authorities restrictions on parking. Before condoning any fines for such
Why should London parking fines apply anywhere that dosent have Londons pay rates.
The guy is a total looney and I for one would like to introduce him to the real world
This government and its associated departments and staff are losing the plot its time they where moved from London and placed in regional offices across the country.
The higher the better all you have to do is park legally and theres plenty in Dawlish who dont maybe 130 pounds would be a little incentive to park legally
Or an incentive to park at Sainsbury's, Morrisons, Asda or Tesco's perhaps? Maybe the powers that be who make up and enforce these rules should look more at helping people park in town centres (preferably for nothing) thus assisting those who have to pay ludicrously high business rates to make a living and keep our town centres alive. Just a thought.
I tried to park in The Strand yesterday but was unable as all parking places where taken Brunswick was also full all i wanted was a few houshold items. I didnt want to walk in the heat from the Bartons so off i went to Sainsburys. The town shops lost out on 107.52 folk dont care about paying a few pence for parking all they want is a place close to the shops to park. So in answer to the above as long as folk pay their few pence to park and park legally they have nothing to fear whatever the fine it is easy just dont park ilegally
It must be ok if Mr Norman(Iwill soon have a10% increase) bloody Baker wants to increase
fines,but in proportion its a bigger amount to those on low incomes.Or you can always
blame the missus for parking it.
Is the point not being missed if you park legally it doesnt affect you, it makes no ods to me if it was 200 pounds as i will never get a ticket just read the sighns and comply its so easy
Leatash, It must be great to be perfect. There have been instances whereby funeral cars, ambulances and even the police on urgent calls have been booked then waste public money getting them cancelled, also many cases where fines have been issued illegaly becase the signs do not conform to legislation. But never mind they are only mistakes and its best to pay them, dont you think??
Its not a matter of being perfect its a matter of following the rules and if i was issued a ticket illegaly i wouldnt pay i would get it cancelled. It is very rare for emergancy vehicles to recieve tickets there are records of two cases in the last 10 years. The first a funeral car 9 years ago and the second the vehicle that puts the Lifeboat in the water at Teighnmouth 3 years ago both tickets where withdrawn without any appeal or pen to paper.
A parking ticket was issued to motorists every four seconds last year, it emerged today.
There were eight million handed out with councils raking in £270 million in fines.
The figures, revealed under the Freedom of Information Act, show that the most number of tickets were slapped on car windscreens in Greater London.
In a company that I worked for we used to deal with 100+ parking fines or box junction fines a week in the greater London area. Most were paid, but quite a few we contested and won.
Well said Mrs C i am the same 46 yrs without a fine of any kind its so easy as you say just follow the rules.
Mrs C. Just because you have not received a parking ticket does not mean you have parked legally all the time, possibly there was not a warden in the area at the time.
In London last year 68 per cent of drivers who took their case to the independent adjudicator won their appeal. Figures for 2009/10 reveal that 50,185 drivers lodged appeals – with 34,072 successful.
Outside London, Traffic Penalty Tribunal figures for 2008/09 show that, in England, of 12,423 appeals, 62 per cent were allowed. In Wales, of 145 appeals, the adjudicator allowed 86 (59 per cent).
A recent press release from Devon CC.
Refunds will be issued for any PCN issued on the area known locally as ‘Upper Den Carriageway’, or Pound Lane (prior to the 2012 Order), where there was no supporting TRO, to those drivers whose details are retained by Teignbridge District Council. Notices informing of the offer of refund to any drivers we are unable to contact will be displayed on the relevant sections of highway, these will be placed by the end of May.
I Teignmouth recently there was a parking site with parking bays and yet had double yellow lines in it so you could park legally but still get a ticket
I don't park on double yellow lines, wherever they are, therefore I wouldn't have volunteered for a ticket in Teignmouth. May I add that your headline about two-thirds of parking tickets being illegal, is not just misleading but is in fact a downright lie.
Mrs C,, take your head out of the clouds, those figures were released by the Traffic Penaly Tribunal who oversee the appeals and employ the Adjudicators, the other admission was by Devon County Council so they are all liars? that would not be in their interests. Please accept reality.If you had read my previous post correctly you would have seen that they were marked legal parking bays, but with double yellow lines
. I'm no mathematician, but 50,000 is a fairly small percentage of 8 million isn't it?.
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Mrs C, Once again you dont seem to read the posts. In one year In London last year 68 per cent of drivers who took their case to the independent adjudicator won their appeal. Figures for 2009/10 reveal that 50,185 drivers lodged appeals – with 34,072 successful. Outside London, Traffic Penalty Tribunal figures for 2008/09 show that, in England, of 12,423 appeals, 62 per cent were allowed. In Wales, of 145 appeals, the adjudicator allowed 86 (59 per cent). So you have 2008/9 and 200910
OK, I'll entertain you for a little longer, then no more, as this is getting ever so tedious. My maths might be poor, but I can assure you that my reading ability is 20/20.
You wrote, quite clearly, "two-thirds of parking tickets are issued illegally". That statement is deliberately mis-leading, and in fact could be more accurately described as a lie.
You say that 8 million tickets were issued last year. You say that circa 34,000 appeals were successful in London in 2009/10 and that circa 7,200 were successful outside of London in 2008/09. So, 34,000 plus 7,200 = 41,200 (not 50,000, my apologies).
Without a calculator, I think that 41,200 is an even smaller percentage of 8,000,000.
Dont bother to enterain me lady, as once again you did not read the posts properly the 8.00.000 referred to last year (2012) those appeal figures will be released hopefully later this year. Check the years properly 2009/10 and 2008/9
Just for intrest how many times in the last 10 years have DCC and TDC had to issue refunds due to the illegal use of parking restrictions without the required TRO similar situation with the speed restrictions at Cockwood and other locations and the subsequent improper use of camera vans.
Its not always the motorist who breaks the law wether they can read or not. Authorities just cant decide to paint yellow lines anywhere they choose in order to raise extra money.
FredBassett, the following is one of many, and the first one that they have offered to reimburse, all the others they have kept the money. Devon County Council estimates it collected around £6,000 in unlawful fines in Crediton's Market Street. In another twist to the saga, this week it was forced to change the terms of its refund
Here is the most recent: Teignmouth
Refunds will be issued for any PCN issued on the area known locally as ‘Upper Den Carriageway’, or Pound Lane (prior to the 2012 Order), where there was no supporting TRO, to those drivers whose details are retained by Teignbridge District Council. Notices informing of the offer of refund to any drivers we are unable to contact will be displayed on the relevant sections of highway, these will be placed by the end of May. Also PCNs issued in the road called The Den, what a joke there is not a road call The Den, thats the green area infront of the beach