General Discussion
Arson attack on Manor Park Dawlish
The play park in Dawlish was arsonned On sunday night, 10th june 2007. This play park must have cost thousands, if not tens of thousands of pounds. To call out the firebrigade and police services again thousands (most people DO NOT realise that it does cost) of which Dawlish fire fighters could have been at home if this hadn't happened, if someone hadn't been so 'hard' and 'cool' enough to do this.
I'd like at this point to comend Dawlish Fire Service to their speedy response and proffesionalism in dealing with the incident which was handled brilliantly.
Anyway, basically some little 15 year old dawlish citizen thinks he can do this, ruin little kiddies afternoons, or mornings, cost the tax payer (he isn't even a tax payer) a hell of a lot. I think I am not the only person in the whole of dawlish who thinks this way, no-one is perfect - but this is insane!
I hope the person responsible (of which the police are dealing with the un-named) got his kicks out of my money, and other tax payers money! I hope he enjoyed every second of the 10 minute blaze before the fire services arrived, if he didn't then I would hate to think what he can do next, or is planning.
The parents of the arsonist should be made to contribute to the cost of this outrageous act of vandalism. I also think the young lad ( I will not name him ) who caught the idiot should be rewarded in some way.
It would not suprise me to hear that the offender will get a slap on the wrist and told he was a naughtly boy-- pathetic---
Well, being first on the scene we phoned the fire brigade and the police, I myself informed the hospital to close their windows due to the toxicant smoke from plastic burning, then managed to get the kids to stand well back from the park.
I was shocked to see that the police took over half an hour to get their. And can only congratulate the fire service on a fantastic job.
The kid who as said before we can’t name, is very sad, to want to do this or even think of doing it, then staying up the manor and watching it. Forget skateboarders etc. this is what the Police should be cutting out.
Just post a new topic with the name of his parents and the words 'sizzle sizzle'
We 'in the know' will know what it signifies.
Free speech on the internet. Its unstoppable.
Just name him. No need to be so precious and prissy.
"Oh we have to protect the poor little misguided darling"
He's a delinquent and belongs in Borstal. Name him.
Along with the other person on the scene I was also first there, and was there when 999 was dialled. Reward.... Hmmm would be nice for the people involved in this, but hey, its ok...... on another note... lets just say.... the offender is back on the streets.... He was in the manor the night afterwards playing near his now fenced off park. SHAME ON HIM, and why haven't the police done anything?
People SHOULD be named and shamed rather than protected. A picture displayed .. bring back the old stocks or just something where people can really humilate an offender.
It is so wrong that this young offender is now back in the manor gloating. Why has he not been banned from this area or been put on a curfew? Is it that the Police are not allowed to enforce it? The young lad should be made to work, perhaps cleaning the local toilets, picking up litter or sweeping the roads. I'm sure there would be lots of volunteers who would supervise him. Another idea would be for him to spend some time along side a Fireman, he may then realize that while the fire brigade were putting his self lit fire out a child could be dying in an accidental fire that they were unable to attend on time...
I'm not saying stocks, pillories, or National Service or the birch.
At 15 you can be responsible for your actions even if legally you can't be penalised.
I certainly think he should be removed from his parents care. If they think they are capable of parenting - lets hear from them why they think they are able to raise civilized offspring - because all the evidence suggests that they are woefully inadequate.
Let his parents stand in front of him. What are their names?
Further to the destruction of the kiddies play area, I have just returned from the Manor and noticed two palm trees missing from the new rockery, further along I saw them in the river, they had been snapped off and thrown in.
What is the matter with kids today?
jambuster wrote
"What is the matter with kids today?" this should be what is the matter with SOME kids today, there are teenagers in the town who help with the carnival, cadets, the theater, the church and other community groups who do not deserve to be branded as 'bad or naughty kids". yes there are some teenagers that course trouble but equally there are just as many young men and woman in there twenty's that have disgusting behavior.
I feel that he should be banned from the area, and that he should do somthing to contribute to the attack, I don't care if he's 15, 50 or 5. He has still committed a crime and therefore should be punished. Its lucky that myself and 3 other people managed to get to the manner and deal with it in the safest and quickest way possible.
Luckly no one was hurt, but still it those not hide the fact that it was wrong, and should never of happend.
Why do so many people in Dawlish take the law into their own hands?
Now I do not wish to condone what has happened, but no one has the right to pre-judge, do they?
I have always believed or have been led to believe, that you are innocent until proven guilty. Has anyone been charged for the offence as serious as it was? Or has the culprit been issued with a fixed penalty for causing so much distress to so many people? Has there been a kangaroo court set up that we do not know of?
Laws are not only there to assist in convicting the guilty, they are also there there to protect the innocent from the guilty.
I THINK ITS RIDICULUOS!
Some idiots around, although im not disrepcting all teenagers but seriously, what is the point? that park costed alot of money to be built and now its all gown down the drain! Some people had very good memories in there, maybe there toddler made a few friends, maybe some little kiddies had a plop in the bushes and regretted it.
I think you adults dont take us seriosly and it was bad what that person did but not all teenagers would ever dream about doing that.
my son is devastated over this as it is the only park near us now its just ashes. i think the youngster shoud pay the £50000 it cost for the park or make his parents pay for it
The youth concerned is [name has been removed at the request of Mr. G M Byers] and he along with another youth will be prosecuted for thier selfish act. The replacement of the play equipment will cost around £55,000. It took two years to collect the money for the playpark and two minutes to destroy it. To set fire to the item was bad enough but to take photos and show them of at school is crass stupidity.The more people mention the youth responsible the less chance he will carry out similar acts , as it is he might well be blamed for any indiscriminate arson attacks in the future, his name will always be in the frame. It is such a pity the parents are not made to pay for thier childs actions,in this case one of them would wave two fingers.
My Byers, why do you wish to protect the identity of the thug?
Its limp do-gooders like you that create an environment where vandals thrive anonymously.
I have no doubt that his parents don't give a hoot. Still, no harm in stigmatising them until they get the message and leave town.
Now I'm all thirsty and upset about having spoken about the Cole family, Molatov Cocktail anyone?
Hopefully, someone will put posters up of the scumbag who did it (initials C.P allegedly and surname rhymes with towel... allegedly again) and Mr Byers can spend his time trying to take them all down.
Anyway, culprit will get what's coming to him. What goes around............
I wouldn't be averse to getting some dog shit out of the ubiquitous dog-bins, and chucking it at their house.
If anyone sees him at school, or his father at work, they have my Mayoral permission to chuck dog muck at them too, rub it in their hair etc.
They'll get the message eventually and leave town if we keep it up on a daily basis for a few years.
Mayor Solarzoom
Firstly can someone explain who Mr Gm Byers is?
And WHY does he have such a vested interest in protecting this person? (Arsonist)I personally feel that individual concerned should be made to pay for the wanton damage and destruction which he has caused however long it may take and his parents to should be made to contribute to the rebuilding of the play area as well, because of there inability and failure as parents, having said that it will more than likely he will get a smack on the wrists and his parents will get a spot of counselling for all the adverse publicity, now that’s justice!! I suppose what we are looking at here is a snapshot of where society is going where people just don’t care anymore. So if you read this Mr Byers wake up and smell the coffee and get your priorities right and realise who the victims are in this situation.
Bear in mind that the mother of this boy escaped prison a few years ago for drug dealing only because she has kids. I am sure that not one penny will be forthcoming from his family as most of it goes on booze and drugs.
No wonder that he stands no chance of becoming a useful member of society, surely we should be trying to help him rather than leading a lynch mob? Discuss
Good idea. Lets establish a charitable fund whereby readers can make donations to the Cole family (of arsonists and junkies).
Perhaps we could raise enough money to send them all on a holiday to Disneyland or for him to go to Harvard University.
...or better still, sufficient funds to buy him a new flame thrower.
The reason this child can’t be named is for the exact reason that some of your replies show- some of you ignorant fool’s think it’s OK to use violence and threats to deal with this kind of behaviour. What shining examples of model citizens you are. And then you wonder why children behave in this way when, when they look to the older generation this is the kind of example they are given. Yes, he should be punished but explaining to a child something is wrong by threats and violence isn’t going to deal with the situation effectively at all. And the child you have named hasn’t had any formal charges brought against them and I believe we live in a country where you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Town gossip isn’t proof of anything.
...I just want him and his family to pay $$ for the damage.
I'm sorry, but adults not kids determine the rules in society. If juvenile delinquents don't want to play nice, then they face the consequences. There's plenty of them who aren't pyromaniacs. They are capable of handling the consequences of their actions.
If you want to live in a town where I am Mayor, you have to keep your nose clean. Like it or leave it.
Yes, 15, but remember he is mentally retarded.
...with the mental age of a five year old.
He belongs in Langdon, Digby or Exminster mental hospital, where he can be confined and studied.
Except aren't they closed now? Hence why sub- normal people are allowed to roam in our communities.
you act like an adult yes szoom..well after reading some of your post on here I think not ...new butlins post ..asbo scum re producing sweathogs spawn on welfare nice adult talk yes ..all because you see a family on hoilday ..not nice not nice at all
yes this its true im sorry ....................................................................................................................lol
Look at it this way....the tourists will come and go, Master Cole will spend most of his life in jail or some sort of mental asylum for the criminally enfeebled, ......the only certainty is impermanence.
....and yet the dogs will continue to shit on Dawlish lawn.
You may think he is somehow retarded which he is not.
But I agree he -at the time- acted as though is retarded and yet still goes in the park and brags about what he did.
Ok the fire has damaged the park yes the parents or child should pay no ones denying that but in harsh reality is that going to happen?? The answer is simply no I dont think so. I am lookin to get a group together to get the park back to how it should be. I think one of the main questions that should be asked is why the hell was the cctv camera not fied that over looked the park when it first broke? and why did the police take so long to turn up.Anyway I am sure these are all quesition that will remanin unanswered the main reason for my posting is to see if anyone is intrsetd in helping me get the park fied anyway possible so contact me if you want to help via e-mail castlefordhouse@hotmail.com
Get your facts right the boy u r trying to discribe has had all charges dropped and another boy has been charged.If your a no it all how comes u didnt know this.I think u should apologize to mr gm byers.
In my last message i put it from kermit this was a mistake sorry for this,that message was for this person.
To the asshole that wrote this. First of all our family member was found to be not involed with this fire as cctv put him in a different place at the time of the fire. There was only one youth involed that lives up the avenues in dawlish.
What I want to know is why the users of this site is quick to have ago at our family when you are to stupid to find out the facts before you point the finger. Its idiots like you that distroy the good name of people. Maybe you should find the facts first instead of reading the ball**** on sites like this
reason being CCTV put him in another place at the time as well as the time stamp on the bus ticket put him outside dawlish. if you want to have ago mate I'll will meet you as it seems you want to drag me it to this. But hey thats why you hide behind your computer because you are to gutless to find out the facts first
because CCTV and a time stamp on a bus ticket put him away from the time of the fire.
Maybe you should find out the facts first
Facts, the likes of Roy and FEL-699 do not know the meaning of facts. They are like many of our news reporters - write stories.
I would like to remind many who frequent this forum.
Do not jump to quick conclusions, they are not always right
Wait, and later on some other facts may come to light
Sometimes folks get cross because they've got a hurt to hide
And often there's another picture on the other side
Do not pass hard judgments on the things that people do
If you knew the truth perhaps you'd take a different view
Learn to hold your tongue no matter what was done or said
Hold back on the unkind word, and say something nice instead