General Discussion

Why do most of you on here not care about the town!!! You all talk about regeneration and enhancement yet want another supermarket ?

"Most of you"?????? Far better discussions on here than on that awful EOD facebook page where braindeads make up stories to occupy their empty lives. This site is far more beneficial in promoting the town than that page, where all they do is slag off Dawlish.

I don’t see how wanting more big stores is not regeneration.

What I would like to see and I know of many others that think the same, is to pedestrianise the whole strand, knock down the lawn wall and landscape the strand and lawn together.

Then outside the town near Sainsbury build a retail park to attract big name stores to Dawlish, such as

• Tesco
• Marks & Spencer
• MacDonald’s
• KFC
• Asda
• Starbucks
• Next
• Etc
• Etc

This would greatly enhance the town and the lives of us living in and around Dawlish.

(Brazilnut, you may not agree with this but it does NOT mean it is wrong, Dawlish is not just for you)

and what exactly would you have in the Strand ? I accept that as the town increases in size this might become a reallity in the future, because eventually we will be joined to Exeter eastwards and Newton Abbot to the south. Do we want to spoil Dawlish by becoming a clone of other places!!!! I too would like to see a Makky D in the area, but if you take everything away from the Town Centre there would be no reason to go there. This has happened with the Willows in Torquay and now the centre looks awful with empty boarded up shops. Is this not what the Portas report is trying to reverse? I think that the Warren badly needs some regeneration with perhaps McDonalds /KFC and an indoor leisure centre open all year round for residents and visitors, Sunburnt Arms would be great for one of those fast food outlets or maybe a Pizza Hut.

I moved here many years ago to get away from city life as Im sure many others have done, if I want to visit those places youve suggested I can go 10miles away to find them, otherwise none of us would go outside our cocoon and life would be boring

Dream on 007. The only things that are likely to be built outside the town near Sainsbury's are houses. Lots of 'em.

McDonalds? Pizza Hut?KFC? Good grief - NO THANKS

Out of interest Libby, why not?

During the summer the cafes on the strand could have tables and chairs outside.

Dawlish is a very nice place live, if more houses are built (which is a good thing) more people can enjoy living here.

what about the winter?

Use outdoor heaters like the Brunswick Arms does.

I dont find time to lounge around in a cafe now , so do you think the Strand would be busy all year round full of cafes, especially as you are advocating fast food outlets on the new retail park and a Starbucks Coffee house, with nothing but cafes in the town what would draw people there?

Instead of supermarkets on your vision how about a garden centre, a DIY store,( Wilkinsons or something similar )that would be more benificial with all the new houses Oh and how about a Travelodge/Premier Inn (Beefeater Restaurant) see we can all dream but making it happen is something else

At the moment what David Force says in the Gazette is more likely

and in this recession where is the money coming from to spend on all this retail and eating out therapy!!!!!

Hello #Nelson - why dont I want them? Well, because they are huge American Corporations who are interested only in making massive profits from products ('food') with no decernable nutritional value and which have been shown to contribute to obesity and poor health. They bring nothing aesthetic either locally or globally and create millions and millions of tons of waste and rubbish, much of which ends up on the street which we have to pay to clean up. They also exploit their, usually young, employees by paying them the least amount they legally can and then docking them pay for any time spent away from their work station - for example, going to the toilet - and/or giving them contracts of employment which dont allow for sick pay or other considerations (and yes, I do know that many people have contracts like this but it doesnt make it right, especially given the profits generated from the labour of the workforce of these MASSIVE companies). What is your view Nelson? And others?

Can't say fairer than that Libby. I'd add Starbucks, Subway, Taco Bell and Dunkin Donuts to your list of shame. That said, I'd be very happy if someone opened a DFC in town - as long as they used ethically farmed chickens packaged in recycled cardboard boxes of course.

Or you could just say the aforementioned are simply very successful companies, you can hardly condemn a business for being 'Large American' 'Massive' and making a profit out of selling it's products, if they didn't they wouldn't be in business!!!!!!
I also think their food is rubbish but people should have a choice. No-one EVER became obese by eating food from KFC or McDonalds or Burger King etc etc, people become obese by eating too much food whereever they get it from. I personally eat far too much chocolate so I think shops should not be allowed to sell chocolate as I am overweight because they do, it's their fault not mine.

If they are employing people illegally then action can be taken against them, the minimum wage is set by the Govt, not the employers.

Nelson you forgot 'Sweatships' extract here: (A slight departure from the point but being big and successful shouldn't be a reason for banning companies from Dawlish.)

Key players in the industry are Carnival Corporation, Royal Caribbean and P&O Princess Cruises
which own over half the total number of cruise vessels.
But the fruits of this growth will not benefit those working below deck, as the report shows that as ships get bigger the passenger to crew ration will grow from 2:1 to 3:1 in a bid to cut costs.

The 'Sweatships' report describes how some cruise liners have become a floating hell for thousands of workers. Below deck, hundreds of workers from Eastern Europe, Asia and Latin America staff engine rooms, laundries, kitchens and restaurants. Wages can be as low as US$45 per month for waiters and waitresses and contracts are short and insecure.

So about time us Brits refused to go on Cruises, far worse than any treatment meeted out by the likes of KFC etc.

Employers exploit Labour, that's life!!

I think I said that they make massive profits from products of no decernable nutritional value #Wriggler - being a successfu business and making a profit (which is the whole point of capitalism)l doesnt mean that integrity and ethical business practice need to be neglected/ ignored. Some businesses manage to be successful without exploiting their staff, their suppliers and their customers (in the cases(s) of the particular businesses I am referring to by persuading them to eat their rubbish) . The Bodyshop comes to mind as an example. I'm sorry that you think that Employers exploiting their labourforce is 'life' - you sound like a Victorian factory owner (except Cadbury and Rowntree of course!). It isnt 'life', it isnt inevitable, and it sure as hell isnt 'right'.

I have no idea why there should be any relationship between decernable(sic) nutritional value and profit, someone makes a product, puts it on the market and the consumer decides whether they buy it or not. No one is forcing you or anyone else to buy from KFC or McDonalds. I eat too much Cadbury's chocolate, that doesn't seem to have any discernible nutritional value but of course I am 'persuaded' to eat so much by Cadbury so it really isn't my fault.

The Bodyshop comes to mind, indeed, now that is interesting.
Anita Roddick, the founder of Bodyshop, didn't believe in using animals to test cosmetic products and was an early supporter of Fairtrade, very commendible, very ETHICAL.

HOWEVER, even though L'Oreal tested their products on animals, and still do, and were part owned by Nestle, who were slated for their treatment of workers in the 'Third World', Anita had no qualms about selling her ETHICAL business to them, but how important are ethics when someone dangles £650 million in front of you, like I said that's life.

BTW, Bodyshop is still on the 'to boycott' list of many animal rights groups, such as Uncaged.

WHY------- have we gone off topic?

I see that there are yet more threads on that awful EOD site slagging off Dawlish. Who the hell are those miserable beggars Yvonne Graves and Huw Matthews??????! They need to get a life (or a job). All they do is moan, moan, moan. Thank goodness we have this site for intelligent and generally constructive discussion

I know them, and I wont slag off Dawlish, I love living here and I do wonder sometimes why I bother on here and WHY do you keep on about EOD people have a right to say what they want on there the same as you do on here. If it annoys you WHY look, at least on there people use their own names

I think you mean Yvonne don't you Nelson - not Lynne.

True, both names have y, n,n,e in them but they are two entirely different first names

I knew who he meant but thought I would let you reply Lynne. I thought he would like Yvonne as her fav place is Sainsburys, lol

Thanks for pointing that out Lynne. And also for teaching me what the word "patronising" means. Yes, Yvonne is the miserable sows name. Lynne is a different one altogether...

Hello Nelson.

Thought I'd better update you on my status:

I have a job - underpaid but that's my choice. I have lived in Dawlish since I was 2 weeks old (apart from a spell away due to my former job). I have therefore seen the town deteriorate in the last decade or so with mounting anguish. Why anguish? Because I have had many opportunities to live elsewhere but have always returned to the town.

If you can find a quote made by me running down the 'Town' as opposed to those who were elected to run it I would be grateful if you would quote it.

By the way 'Huw Matthews' is my real name not a pseudonym I use to hide behind.

Regards etc.

Well said Huw

Nelson,

EOD is used to talk about the town and it's 'issues'.

You have personally attacked and targeted 2 particular individuals on here ............... i know who i think is worse. You don't sound like a very nice person at all.

I obviously know the 2 people you have referred to as 'miserable' and 'an old sow' and can confirm that they both have a life and jobs.

Your post makes you come across as both obnoxious and offensive. So well done you.

Dawlish is a pretty town with the sea, lawn, brook and ducks. It's the people that makes any place.. I for one am glad I got out! ....those who dislike the place so much as you see on here should too!