Dawlish Discussion

For those interested: this link should take you to the latest proposals to come out from TDC concerning how Dawlish should be developed over the next 20 years.

http://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=31926&p=0

At a quick glance it appears to be essentially the same as the draft plan that was out for consultation back in September but although I haven't yet looked at in detail it does seem as though some alterations may have been made. Perhaps those of us with a particular interest in this matter might wish to get out our magnifying glasses and take a good look. For example, this latest version now proposes that some 350 new homes should be built on land south of Secmaton Lane. I don't believe that was proposed in the September consultation.

For those who do not have access to a computer or for those that do but who would like to see this latest version in the flesh as it were, there will be a public exhibition at The Strand Church, Dawlish on Tuesday 24th January from 2-8pm.

Please can you let others know.

Thanks for info. I'll be paying a visit after work on the 24th.

Read in the paper that hard copies of the revised plan should be available at Dawlish Tourist Information Centre, Dawlish Leisure Centre and Dawlish Library.

Comments can be made until Friday 2nd March.

from today's Gazette:

Blueprint for 350 homes at Shutterton

Wednesday, 11 January 2012

PLANS to build 350 homes on the outskirts of Dawlish are in their initial stages.

A scoping report has been submitted to Teignbridge Council ahead of plans to bid for outline planning permission.

The application has been made by Shutterton Park Ltd for a 32-acre site south of Shutterton Lane.

The land is north of the Sainsbury’s store and is a greenfield site used for grazing for cattle.

A report to planners states: ‘The development of this site for residential use has been promoted through the emerging Local Development Framework and is now proposed for allocation within the Core Strategy for consultation.’

Shutterton was one of several areas earmarked for potential residential development in proposals for the future development of Dawlish.

Any one know who is behind Shutterton Park Ltd. Are they local, a national housebuilder hiding under a made up company, or is it connected to the dreaded Sainsbury's who incidently now have only 4 months remaining to build the 11 employment units promised under the section 106 agreement.

Also who owns or has sold the land for this proposed development, suppose the next argument will be how many affordable houses are going to be included so that Teignbridge can once again dump its housing problems on Dawlish. Lets hope the new council show some balls and nip this in the bud by refusing to accept green field development on the outskirts of our special town.

We are being forced nearer and nearer to becoming an overspill dumping ground for Exeter and still as a town we have no new infrastructure and no new jobs. The equation is quite simple. Local people need Local jobs to pay for Local houses affordable or not. The current road and transport links cannot cope with anymore people living in Dawlish but commuting to Exeter and beyond to work. Perhaps the eco-planners and other idiots think all the new people will ride cycles to work in Exeter (Get Real)

This link should take you to the minutes of the Dev Control meeting in March 2010 when p/p was granted to Sainsbury's.

http://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=24698&p=0

Towards the end of the minutes (on page 427) you will see the details of the Section 106 agreement which states at the very top:

"1. The delivery of 11 industrial starter units with completion within 9 months of opening the store".

All of the land that is now having planning outlined is green belt but has been identified as available for development by Teignbridge council in 2010. The company Shutterton Park Ltd is not registered with Companies House yet so no way of tracing who is behind it. If my maths are up to scratch then we are already back at the 2000 homes originally quoted last year. All of this is before the developers cotton on to the rest of the land in the area that has been earmarked as being available for development. In addition the goverments new planning regulations will allow any developer to state economic benefit and through goes the planning application. As far as our councillors and council employees are concerned house equal council tax and that means protection of their jobs.

BUT if they build too many houses then some will remain empty, so no council tax. The housing numbers given are ridiculous.The houses proposed at Southdowns road are only the start. 3 big fields to fill there, so Holcombe village will soon be part of Dawlish Town.

Just think that by the time they have completed all of these houses that the A379 will be worse than the M25 for Jams around Starcross and Kenton. Or are we going to get a new dual carrigeway to link Dawlish to Exeter?

How many of Sandpipers at Dawlish Warren are still empty.

Nearly all sold at Sandpipers. The affordable housing was snapped up straight away. Take a drive or walk around and you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Don't doubt that the 'affordable' housing was snapped up quickly. There is a need for it.

Interesting though that I keep seeing the open market Sandpipers houses still being advertised. If they have nearly all been sold and/or there is such a demand why the need for the continued advertising?

Lynne - Expect its the current economic climate. Then again it could be the traditional crap quality the builder has become reknown for, after all they are nothing more than wooden shacks and typical of the surrounding poor quality holiday accommodation in the area ( The Welcome holiday park excluded)

mugonhead, do you post obnoxious views just to get a reaction? as anyone who has bothered to take a walk around millin way would know, this is a quality and diverse development that other new/proposed developments round here could learn a lot from. if only the ugly littleweek lane estate had half the design and build quality! would mugonhead care to comment on the quality of houses currently on (and off) shutterton lane? having walked down there a couple of times, i can assure you that the high spec of the new development more than matches it's salubrious neighbours. @Lynne, not all homes have been built yet, hence the continued advertising.

The point is that they have not been built and the reason is that they cannot be sold in the present economic enviroment. This also raises the question again just how many extra houses do we need in Dawlish, and how many of them are going to be affordable. By counting all the proposals both planned and underway we are standing at 1725 houses being built or planned. As to the talk of new employment units whats happend to the Sainsbury's units? What business is going to set up in Dawlish, the employment is in Exeter or Newton Abbot with todays transport costs who is going to move from these centres.

No, the point is that they in the process of being built and those that haven't are the ones that are on the market! Those that are built have been sold!

@Nelson

You really must live in a dim blinkered world if you believe in your comments above. Any one who has had experience of this particular builder outside of Dawlish, watches tv shows like cowboy builders etc, and knows quality when they see it, will undoubtably know they build cheap rubbish houses that you cant whip a cat round in with cheap fittings and fixtures (allthough in a colour of your choice) and then sell them at inflated prices which in these times will probably leave the buyers in negative equitity 2-3 years down the line.

A former colleage of mine from up north used to work for a company that made 3/4 sized furniture for their show houses so they looked bigger. Are they still leaving the internal doors off as well as fitting moulded picture rails to make the ceilings look higher

As for comparing them to the traditional brick built detached houses in their own massive plots on Shutterton lane I just hope none of these owners read your comments if they know you. Never mind you can get some really good quality fixtures for your wood hut from Trago plus they have a sale on now

Dont forget the 10 year warranty they offer probably isen't worth the paper its written on

I think most people overlook the obvious reason why 'builders' build houses. To make a profit. If you put x amount of money in the bank and take it out a year later, how much do you have. Not as much as spending x amount building a house then selling it a year later. What's the chance of a builder selling a house for less than he built it for? Even if it does stay empty for a year, the ROI beats any other investment, as they say 'it's as safe as houses'.

"They don't build houses, cars, aeroplanes, bicycles, washing machines, vacuum cleaners etc etc like they did when I was young", no thank goodness they don't, and don't we all wish 'they' would make a mobile phone just like they did in 1990.
I'm still trying to work out how the build quality is related to negative equity!!, and I think this whole thread is a bit far removed from the real topic which was The Latest Draft Plan for Dawlish ver #2.

As Wriggler has pointed out this thread is having a bit of a wander about from my original posting and whilst I would not usually be particularly bothered about that the thread is getting a bit long as well and I am concerned that a vital piece of factual information will get lost if I post it here - namely the difference between the number of new homes proposed in the September consultation and the number of new homes proposed now. There is a difference of some 700 homes.

So, I've decided to start a new thread. (and risk incurring the wrath of some of the other posters for so doing).

You're quire right Lynne, that's why I made the comment, these anti-Builder, anti-Council, anti-Sainsburys etc rants have nothing to do with the price of eggs, oops, sorry, now we'll have people complaining about the price of eggs since Sainsburys moved to Dawlish.