General Discussion
Seems like Dawlish isn't the only place with a supermarket issue.
http://www.channel4.com/news/supermarkets-set-to-expand-20-percent-by-2014
Sour grapes from the Co-Op, they only decided to expand into Woolworths when Sainsburys started building, up till then they got away with very poor stock levels, a dirty store and poor service. This proves beyond doubt that competition is good and any store will stand or fall by what it offers customer. Tescos are not cheap, that is why I don't shop there, they sell a lot of cheap products, that's a totally different thing.
Branded quality items are morte expensive at Tesco than many small shops but if people want cheap poor quality food then that is their choice.
No-one has yet put forward any sensible reason why Tesco's application should be rejected.
Coop could claim against that statement 'very poor stock levels, a dirty store and poor service '
The new Woolies look smart to me, guess people prefer it to be empty you sure cant please Dawlish!
wondering you are so right!!!! there is not much stock holding space and as it comes in it goes out, it has a large customer base and its hard to get it right. As for a dirty store I can assure you it is clean at the start of trading and did get a 4 on the door from TDC so cant be that bad can it
Here's a sensible reason why Tesco should be rejected - it would kill off the town centre! Exactly why does a town the size of Dawlish need TWO out of town stores? And Tesco sell a lot of goods that compete with non-food stores too.
Anther sensible reason - the effect of refridgerated lorries and additional traffic on the people who live close to the proposed site
And let's not knock the Co-op - I've been very happy shopping there, like the quality of the food, and find their staff to be very friendly and helpful.
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and let's not forget the effect of the refridgerated lorries and additional traffic on the people who will be staying in tents and caravans at Lady's Mile.
Since when have tents and caravans been known for their noise insulation qualities?
Nobody seems to have complained about anything Sainsburys have done todate so why should Tescos be any different. Do the supermarkets and for that matter the majority of Dawlish actually care about the tent and caravan dwellers on Lady's Mile. After all there are other caravan parks in the area. If the Co-op have issues then just like the other businesses they will have to up their game and compete or cut their losses and close, once again I suggest the majority don't really care. Thats life these days chaps.
If you look on previous threads you'll find that Fronteraman was most vehemently complaining about Sainsbury's.
I agree with you in that not for one moment do I believe the supermarkets care about the negative effects they will have on holiday makers using tents and caravans. Anymore than they care about the negative effect they will have on those who have the bad luck to live in permanent dwellings in close proximity to them.
Bottom line the only thing they care about is an untapped market and profits to be made. But not surprising that though really is it, given that is what business is all about.
What gets me (and others so it seems) is that we, the people, ultimately have very little say in how many supermarkets get built and where.
Don't know if this is of interest to anyone, found it by accident whilst looking at jobs for builders gives a pretty clear indication of what towns are up against when the supermarket giants decide to target them for a new store. I don't think anyone has a real chance of stopping their plans for eventual retail domination, so I think the outcome of the Tesco appeal is pretty much a foregone conclusion, its going to happen like it or not.
Having a Tesco supermarket and a Sainsbury's supermarket in Dawlish would be excellent.
- More choice
- Competition between them for cheapest prices
- Less busy stores
- Greater parking capacity
- Etc
I can't see a down side to having 2 supermarkets.
Quite right 007, without the 'threat' fromSainsburys the Co-op would not have bothered to expand, even though the newer store is a disaster area. I realise they can only complete the process when the old shop is revamped but the changeover so far is a total shambles, many customers have simply walked out without buying anything due to the chaos.
I still haven't heard of a sensible objection to Tesco's application. The Co-op is going to lose most of its customers anyway when Sainsburys open, so why shouldn't Sainsburys have some competition, it can only be good for the shoppers to have Tescos round the corner.
"I still haven't heard of a sensible objection to Tesco's application."
1) it would kill off the town centre - all of us who walk to do our shopping, and there are many of us, would loose out if our butchers, bakers, greengrocers etc are killed off by out of town trade. And then we'd be left with empty shops. There are a limited number of customers in Dawlish, it's a small town, and our town centre stores would be the loosers. The town is too small to sustain two large out of town stores and town centre small food traders.
2) noise and traffic for people close to the proposed site. Would you like to have refridgerated lorries close to your bedroom at night?
3) more empty stores in the town centre means that it looks unattractive. Then we loose visitors which leads to further decline. And what do we get in return? The chance to have an exciting and fullfilling job stacking shelves! Is that the future we want for our children?
Words fail me!
This will leave the Town wide open for those who want to see the Strand vehicle free with upmarket Cafes and nothing else
When 70% of people living in Dawlish already do their weekly shop at Tescos or Sainsburys is having the supermarkets closer going to make that much difference?
The Co-op is ok for top-up shopping but not much else, I'd struggle to buy a full shop at the Dawlish one and as they seem to have trawled the area to staff the Teignmouth one with the most ignorant, rude people around I don't go there unless desperate.
Trying not to sound too heartless, if a shop, any shop, wants to survive these days they have to up their game. Give better service, better products, stock things others don't, be original. In other words - be customer driven and customer focused. If you don't then you won't have a business.
hi all back for party in the park great time etc.lets face it if you got so much grievance why dont you target the firms in question instead of bitchin like a lot of silly school girls its good to have a chouse if the people dont use these stores then the prob will go away,but we all want a bargain so it aint goner happen.if your local shops want our custom then they have to work harder to get there prices down they've had a good run charging more for there goods now they feel threated.best of luck to you all.
I've managed to do a full weekly shop in Dawlish town centre, (and we eat well, on good food) for the last 5 years. There must be many like me who either don't want to use their car for shopping or who don't have a car. We need our town centre food shops! The old and the young who don't have cars need to be able to shop on foot.
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1) "it would kill off the town centre - all of us who walk to do our shopping, and there are many of us, would loose out if our butchers, bakers, greengrocers etc are killed off by out of town trade"
So if there are 'many of you' shopping locally then local shops will survive!!
I would guess by the number of shops that have closed in Dawlish over the last few years that most people already shop at supermarkets away from Dawlish.
I know someone who moans about loss of local shops but drives to The Willows to do most of their shopping.
2)"noise and traffic for people close to the proposed site. Would you like to have refridgerated lorries close to your bedroom at night?"
I wasn't aware that the decision had been made to allow 24 hour deliveries, many 24 hour stores are not allowed deliveries, or petrol station opening, at nightime, this is decided by the relevant local authority.
There is only one local empty shop in Dawlish, the old Thresher shop, probably the £18000 a year rent!!! has something to do with it.
