General Discussion
Sainsbury's cycle path
Is anyone out there interested in stopping Sainsbury's destroying even more hedgerow, grass verge and trees. They seem to believe they have planning permission to install a new cycle way and footpath from their store upto Week Lane and intend to start work on that soon.
Please object by ringing 0800 1303 270 freephone number
This is brilliant news, its whats badly needed.hopefully they will get the one from Cofton to the warren done soon as well.
Grass, hedgerow, trees, and home to wild animals dont matter in your book then DawlishBlue whats wrong with riding your cycle on the road then. Wait till they concrete the beach you'll be able to ride along there as well. Purpose built cycle paths are a joke and a waste of money, look what happened at Powderham.
Good to see new interests in this town,as for those that have run it have to work even harder to keep it,a cycle path is very good for the locals and keeps them outer my way when on the road safer all round.plus roll on the pedestrion town siting outside in weather you get here lovly again safer all round.so stop moaning an embrace change that way we will all benifit.
You already have an area for sitting out in its called the Lawn!!!!!!!!! anything else will kill the town ffs
Im in agreement with cycle paths as long as cyclists USE THEM!!!!!! should be fined if they dont, 99% of cyclists ignore them and ride 2 abreast on the road, Highway Code means nothing to them
We seem to be straying off track and missing the point here, Its not about for or against cycle paths. Its about destroying grass verges, hedgerows and wild life habitats and replacing it with a concrete path which goes from nowhere special to their store. Nobody is going to cycle up Exeter Road with bags of shopping especially in the rain, and in the Winter nobody will use it at all.
Once again the minority, Teignbridge Council and a newcomer to town with unlimited amounts of money force their ideas and demands on the rest of us. Where does it end.
If people dont like Dawlish the way it is and has been for years with green fields, local shops, limited housing and traffic and no supermarkets etc WHY did they move here in the first place.
Instead of trying to bring thier city and cafe culture and lifestyle to Dawlish why dont they just go home.
Apologies for misunderstanding you, I thought you were generalising. I quite agree with you people move here and immediately want to change what they came here for. Unnecessary removal of the wildlife habitat should be banned, besides its nesting time now and I love early mornings when all I can here is the dawn chorus. If you want city life live in Exeter!!!!!
Just out of curiosity please can you give some examples of newcomers wanting to immediately change what they came here for.
And on the question of Dawlish needing a new supermarket - I believe that was urged along by the town council wasn't it? Is/was the town council made up of newcomers?
Your right there Smokey back to putting a political twist on every topic.
Sorry Lynne but you know exactly what I'm on about. If you look at it carefully one a the most influential newcomers is actually the supermarket company causing the issue. The town council only voted for it on the usual off chance that there might have been something in it for themselves. Under the new local planning system this would never have been allowed.
Back? I wasn't aware that I'd gone away.
Seemed to me that it wasn't the new supermarket chain that was being accused of being a newcomer and trying to change things. Which is why I asked for examples. I'm still waiting.
You make an accusation about the town council. Please do substantiate that accusation. (Not speculation, I mean proof)
And as for me putting a political twist on every subject. I'm not just lol out that -I'm splitting my sides that you have the audacity to say that. The words "black". "pot" and "kettle" come to mind.
Please explain how, under the new planning system, what you say would not be allowed. I'm not saying it would or wouldn't , because I don't know either way. Hence I am asking for you to explain so that all who view this thread will know what you mean.
Wasn't me who said you had been away - follow the thread.
Why can you never stick to the subject of the thread. Do you want to see grass verges, hedgerow and wild life or do you want the entire town covered in F-ing concrete.
I have no interest in politics and personally cannot stand the back stabbing self interested councilors who think they are above the rest of us instead of appreciating the fact that we the public voted for them.
Most hard working family people haven't got the time to stand for council due to their continual strive to support their families in these troubled times of few jobs and little money. Which answers your question about me personally standing, unfortunately the week the forms where due in I got offered a paying job out of town and had no option but to accept it.
Your continued point of sticking up for councilors and their support for supermarkets all the time suggests you maybe one of them or closely related. In which case the number of new independents apparently standing must be a real worry to you. Instead of questioning everyone elses meaning all the time why don't you come clean on where you yourself stand politically and otherwise.
If you really want to know how the new local planning system will work and how it will differ from the old system then look it up for yourself or ask Mr Connett.
I'm not sticking up for the councillors and their support for Dawlish having a new supermarket. I am making a statement of fact. (that they argued in favour of Dawlish having one).
And another statement of fact is that I am not one of them, nor am I related to any of them nor am I related to any of those standing for election for the first time.
In fact I am rather looking forward to seeing quite a few, if not all, the Independent Voices for Dawlish candidates being elected.
And, yes, I do agree with you (surprise!, surprise!,) concerning the concrete expansion of the town via supermarket(s) and new housing estates. But neither I nor other residents in the town (however long we may or may not have lived here) really had any say in the matter, did we? Planning policy & planners basically decided that.
The new planning system, such as I understand it, is aimed at involving local people more in what does and what does not happen in their patch. It will be interesting to see how that pans out in practice though. The furore over the future of The Strand being a case in point. Like er......so what happens when local people are consulted and there is a division of opinion?
To return to the point you made in your original posting. I am all for there being more cycleways and footpaths. Cycling on roads is not only a nightmare but outright dangerous.
Thank you for your clarification Lynne. I agree with you about the chances of the new independents forcing out the old school being something to look forward to. However I do know one or two of them and have doubts regarding their abilities and time commitments in order to be effective councilors.
If I remember correctly at the time our local council where asked to vote on the planning application for Sainsbury's. The comment aimed at the Conservative members was and I quote " voting against would be like committing political suicide". There are on the other hand several Lib Dem members at district level who swear blind they voted against the application.
I do have a cycle myself and so do my children and whilst I agree that riding on the road is dangerous I quite accept the fact that the minority should not receive special treatment at the expense of nature and green issues. As said previously there is a perfectly useable foot path on the opposite side
Yes, you are correct about some Lib Dems (2? 3?) on TDC either voting against or abstaining on the vote re whether or not Sainsbury's should build at Shutterton Bridge. Believe they may have done the same re the Tesco application to build at Lady's Mile as well. I think Cllr Connett abstained because he thought the amount of money on offer via the Seciton 106 agreement (£200,000) was not enough rather than because he thought Dawlish ought not to have a new supermarket.
So, on the whole both our local town council and our local district council were in favour of Dawlish having a new supermarket and if Tesco should win its Appeal we will have two - which will mean another lot of concrete instead of grass, and even more trees cut down with associated wildlife disturbance. Remember the site on which Tesco wishes to build is immediately adjacent to Warren Copse.
Wonder if they'll build any new cycle paths?
Perhaps it was wishy washy liberals just sitting on the hedgerow as usual. Makes me laugh how gas guzzler man goes on about the enviroment
Please don't confuse a plain old country bumpkin who hates supermarkets and city life for some mad tree hugging eco warrior. Take it gas guzzler man refers to my username.
Its true I like the rural lifestyle out of town Dawlish has to offer and really don't want to see that change, but I also own more than one 4x4 plus maybe one or two other big engined vehicles. Their fuel consumption isn't an issue and I for one do not relate it to global warming, The planet is like this forum it blows hot and cold throughout history.
The pathway so understand it is part of the agreement between highways and Sainsbury's to provide a safe pathway for pedestrians to the store. The fact they are including provision for cycle traffic I think is a bonus.
With it also linking up with the new cycle way down to the Warren,(which was initially constructed approx 15 years ago all but the last 20 metres or so)
The path will remove approximatley 40 metres of verge, which will also include crossing traffic lights.
Langdon hostpital cut a pathway through a field about 6 times the length to give safe pedestrian access to there site, not much opposition then.
Fronteraman - come on man, it's time for a bit of honesty from you. First you claim to be putting yourself forward as a candidate, then you claim to be too poor and now claim not to like politics and in fact deride the independent candidates who have the balls (that you lack) to stand up and be counted. Oh, and despite being a poor unemployed citizen, you run THREE gas guzzlers!! You're full of shit son, jog on...
OK ex townie lives on Warren read thread
A) Do not subscribe to any political party
B) As previously said fully intended to stand as an independant, but got offered a contract out of town which pays decent money and therefore could not commit the time to stand as most council meets are on Tues/Weds at 7.00pm and would not be around.
C) At least 2 independants standing and known to me have been talked into it and have no previous experience and so will find it difficult. I have not deridden them and wish them the best of luck.
D) Didnt say I ran Gas Guzzlers, actually said I owned them, 2 work permanently off road and 1 is currently on SORN.
E) None of the above have anything to do with the thread or for that matter you. So go F yourself
You so keep on about Dawlish and you get a job outside lol ..as for suggesting what Andy should go and do ....well that just about says it all...good you're not standing for Council.
Fronteraman, you seems to change your story everytime the wind changes direction. The love you have of the F-word, has me thinking you are a bit of a c-word.