General Discussion
WARNING !!!!!!
pcso and enforcement officer patrolling at night. pulled in outside chippy in queen st tonight to drop son off, before I could pull away both came up road, enforcement officer had machine in hand writing something, other cars were parked in front and behind me with nobody in them. dont know if ive been ticketed. found out since cars parked on double yellow in park road woke up next morning to find parking tickets. are tdc that deperate that they have to do people at night, given how difficult it is to find somewhere to park if you live in that area
I noticed then last night coming home from work at 7.30pm, they were in front of Harrisons and Bailey's. Can understand it during the day, but at that time and in the off season? Bit desperate methinks!!!
Excellent news!!! People who deliberately and knowingly break the law, fully deserve their punishment. The time of day or night is irrelevant - do you really think that law goes off-shift? Thanks for publishing the warning PJD - hopefully it might stop others from breaking the law.
Yes agree DM. Im fed up of people parking on pavements and having to walk in the road ..those people should be booked. When you have someone in a wheelchair you have to come off the path and go round the car on the road and back up the kerb again.. same for prams. So book em I say! What does the highway code say about cars parking on footpaths?
With the mess in High Street the blind turn outside Costcutters has become lethal, with cars parked on double yellows all over the place meaning that traffic sometimes comes round the bend on the wrong side of the road and completely blind. Last week I twice saw Queen street at a gridlock because of the traffic parked outside costcutters preventing two way flow up Queen Street. If people are going to park on double yellows at least do it somewhere it doesn't create a hazard!
Ifully agree with what you are saying but 7pm at night is as Cal says a bit desperate. The enforcement officer must have been on overtime because they normally finish at 6pm when paying to park ceases.At the moment it is not possible to park behind Costcutters because of the roadworks. When we had no traffic wardens the Police would no even bother to book people on double yellows only if you were causing an obstruction. Why did the PCSO tell me that parking at the end of a junction (that vehicle is blind to anybody coming arund the corner) is not enforcible when it is clearly an offence in the Highway Code? Why does the PCSO stand outside the school and do nothing about the mothers parking on the zig-zags which is an endorsible offence, and yet will walk round with the enforcement officer ticketing people to get revenue. Double Standards methinks!!!!!!!
Let's hope you didn't get burgled at 7pm tonight. After all, by your reckoning, it's a free for all after that time, so why should the upholders of the law bother investigating?! Yellow lines are there for a reason - people who park on them (no matter what time of day/night) are deliberately breaking the law and deserve their punishment.
The police are 24/7. CIVIL Enforcement Officers are employed by TDCouncil and have no authority like the Police, the PCSOs only have limited power even though they are employed by the police, and I should think they have more important things to do than worry about a few illegal parkers at night or is it because they are easy targets with no confrontation.
To say that yellow lines are there for a reason is meaningless - clearly they did not appear of their own volition.However, I think that at one time, double yellow lines had a connotation that could be seen as sensible by the average driver, i.e. parking there was, broadly, unsafe or obstructive. To a large extent, single yellow lines had a similar, if less strong, purpose. As I see it, the average motorist no longer has confidence that yellow lines are anything other than part of a cynical revenue raising exercise by local authorities. This action has undermined any consensus that they are acting on behalf of the community for its overall good, surely the basis of any just law. I therefore applaud anyone who is able to find fault with the way councils implement their schemes and to win in the courts. The councils have all the power on their side and resort to bullying tactics even when they are shown to be in the wrong, i.e. when their actions have been unlawful. Why should they not be challenged? Having said that, if you simply ignore the law and are caught without a defence, too bad. "If you can't do the time, ....."
PJD, Thanks. I don't expect people to agree with me on this (or on most things) but I am always interested to see other people's views. It is one of the reasons that I follow this forum, even when I do not post. Don
Sorry PJD, but you cannot say that some offences are less illegal than others! All offences are, obviously, illegal. Just because certain people believe that yellow lines are painted purely as a revenue earner, doesn't mean that it's true. Believe it or not, they're painted to try to deter thoughtless, ignorant and selfish motorists from parking in potentially dangerous places. Those, like the self-publicists champion Peter Harry, who think that we should be able to park where we want and bugger the consequences, obviously haven't suffered a loss at the hands of those who cause a fatal accident due to their selfishness. All it takes is for one life to be saved to make any yellow line worthwhile. Sorry, but those who rail against yellow lines disgust me with their ignorance and lack of human values. All they think about is themselves.
As I said in the other post give it a rest your continual whingeing about PH is getting really boring.
Try this Dawlish Man this should really annoy you. The Telegraph think its important enough to print. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7299049/Councils-under-police-investigation-over-parking-ticket-dispute.html
I know that rent-a-gob is your bestest friend - but I find the irony hilarious that you're telling me to stop whinging when all he does is exactly that! So come on, do you think challenging fines is more important than human lives? YES or NO??? And as for the Torygraph - I wouldn't wipe my arse with it.
I find it rather amusing that the advertisements showing as I read the latest posts on this thread take you to a site aimed at beating parking tickets, speeding tickets etc. However, I have an odd sense of humour.
Don, You may have missed the point, It was to point out the depths that authorities will sink to for £50/60/70.
I do not advocate breaking the law. Take a look round Dawlish where double yellow lines excist some areas they could be single yellow lines with restrictions ie no parking at daytime when the town is busy with shoppers and delivery lorries, and there are some places where yellow lines do not excist but should. Blue badge holders can park on doubleyellows as long as not causing an obstruction so does that not cause an abnomally in the argument ? A lot of these lines were painted many years ago,so maybe a rethink is needed. Take Piermont place at night what danger are parked cars posing there after 6 ? Regarding the challenge on the law applied by the Council, sorry if they do not apply it right or change it to suit themselves, everybody is entitled to defend thereselves. Over to you Roy
PJD. I agree your comments, but, one thing re Blue badge holders can only park on double yellow lines for 2 hours. Another point; In Plantation Terrace by The Mews there used to be a sign which allowed parking on double yellows from October to May, they took the sign away for whatever reason. Friday evening a CEO placed PNC's on 4 cars (I have a garage so not effected) at 6-30pm, that does nothing for traffic flow and congestion, that is raising revenue. When will we be seeing them working a night shift and booking vehicles?
Re: Friday night that was excactly the point I was trying to make when I started this thread, after plantation theymust have then come up Queen St, I did know its only 2hrs with disabled parking but was trying to put a point over about roys argument "no parking on double yellow" lol
You can stop on Double yellow lines to drop off of pick up passengers, unless you are waiting you must remain in your vehicle. Thats the law. If what you say is true, appeal and appeal again on that grounds you were dropping off vulnerable passengers and it unsafe to do so without stopping first. The first appeal to the council will be automatically rejected, you need to appeal to the adjudicator.
With no disrespect intended to you in saying this, some forum users may find that word offensive with or without an asterisk.
Well said Don. There is NO NEED for such abuse. Their limited brain (?) power restricts their vocabulary.
I'm afraid I disagree with the two posts above. A lot of people, irrespective of gender, swear amongst themselves with nobody taking offence. There are plenty of forums where this is true. Swearing in itself is not indicative of stupidity or lack of vocabulary. I don't object to swearing, nor would I want to tell anyone how to write their posts. However, on a general forum such as this, there are likely to be people who will be offended. By doing that you undermine your ability to communicate with them. Don
Getting back on subject... hubby pulled up outside Queen St chippy to pop into costcutters at 20.05 this evening, on returning to car met traffic enforcement officer who then proceeded to lay down the law on parking. Hubby held hands up and agreed that yes, he was parked on double yellows,but then commented on the cars parked on junctions obstucting views, and the others parked close to a bend, forcing cars to use the wrong side of road when turning said bend, in reply, he was told that the TEO did not care about those, he was only concerned with this particular street. Does anyone think this attitude is wrong?
Yes I agree, that was one of my points, instead of booking people for the obvious book people for those sort of offences which are a greater hazard. Queen St.,Piermont Place, Plantation Terrace, easy revenue after 6pm makes my blood boil. Roadworks in Hih St. hae not helped if you want to go in Costcutters or the Chippy now, wonder how much they are losing with all this going on
Funny you should say that, the woman in the chippy actually came out and told him to get lost as they were losing trade. I imagine people see him and instead of pulling in they drive past and find another chippy.
"A lot of people, irrespective of gender, swear amongst themselves" @Don. There IS a difference between the written and verbal swear word. If you were applying for a job, would you use swear words in your application? IMO, it shows pure ignorance for the want of a better word. There is NO need for it. Yes, I do swear at times, but when writing, I conduct myself with dignity and the proper use of the English language.
"i imagine people see him and instead of pulling in they drive past and find another chippy." @Cal. cant say i blame them. its far from good anyway.
I so agree with you Investigator. It is a poor state when you have to F in order to make your point. On the bus I heard school children, 14 years olds swearing on average every 20 seconds... they are our future, help us!
With reference to double yellow lines the wording in the road traffic act has three words that have to be followed before a ticket can be issued. Those words are CLEAR, APPARENT and CONTINUES if we take Queen Street as a example the lines are CLEAR they are APPARANT but are not CONTINUES as they have been removed by the road works in the High Street. Just to add there is also the question of no end cap again removed by road works. Most lines in Dawlish are not enforcable especialy Park Road tickets that are issued in Queen Street while the lines are not CONTINUES are not enforcable
totally agree PJD, yes I am still around! 18:00hrs should be the last time you get your colar felt. Anything after should be challenged.
let's not forget that any challenge is at the tax payers expense. If enforcement is unlawful ok, but don't try to win your argument by technicality- the lines are there: incorrect measurement or poorly maintained? these people need to get a life, if you can see it, don't park there and challenge enforcement action ( you know who you are )
the lines are there, clear- & we all know what they mean, so don't waste tax money arguing the toss- however, it is ridiculous to have such enforcement outside such premises as most trade is from motorists after peak times. Traders should be pushing this issue.