General Discussion
Giving To Charity-maximise your donations
Interesting reading from previous post.
When giving to charities, optimise the benefits of your donation by contributing directly to your chosen charity. This way, charities will gain the maximum amount from your philanthropy.
When you give money to the likes of Roundtable or Rotary, they can 'cream off' up to 40 per cent through loopholes, which they call 'admin'. That's a lot of money NOT going where it should be.
Just as offensive, is the way Rotary and Roundtable shout loudly about how much money they have raised for charity....when the truth is, it is the public, not them, that have donated.
When collecting for charity, do it quietly and with dignity. Do not use it as a PR exercise.
GIVE TO CHARITIES DIRECTLY.
Well said Dullish!
I do not know why people pander to these fraudsters.
Like you say, give directly to a charity not through another charity, your money then has a better chance of reaching the cause the charity was set up for.
Dullish once again exposes himself. So to speak.
Why do you keep repeating this lie? You did when you were Anon and Roy, and now again posing as Dullish. Get a grip man.
I should have also said,"con artists want cash so there will be no paper trail for authorities to follow."
Do you EVER get a receipt when you by a pint of beer or when you give to a charity. If not, why not?
Personally, I think it's pretty sick that you are using wild assumptions about charitable donations as a way of cheap and nasty political point scoring.
Each to their own though - only God will judge you.
If it wasn't for the Round Table and Rotary then the charities around the country would be far worse off than they are now. Have you been part of either of these? Have you spoken to anyone directly about the good work they do. It is up to individuals if they give directly to a charity or via the Round table or Rotary.Just like is it up to an individual if they take part in an event to raise money for a charity. Rather than have a go why don't you go out, do a walk, run, parachute jump etc and raise some money yourself.
Oh dear Trotter, the Angry Mob will now assume you to be a Rotarian/Roundtabler, as well as a council insider!
Whatever you do, don't mention the mayor!
How many others on this forum have noticed how evasive Joey Deacon/the truth are, when they are asked straightforward questions.
They are both full of gibberish but very short on answers.
Whilst I can't answer for The Truth, please feel free to ask me a straightforward question. As long as your question contains no personal insults, I promise to provide you with a straightforward answer.
Fire away.
Interesting that I specifically ask Viaduct to pose a question, yet it's Dullish who poses it...
To answer Dullish's question in the most straightforward and honest way possible:
No, I'm most definitely not a Rotarian, a Roundtabler, a member of the Lions Club, or of any other similar organisation. I never have been and never will be.
Your turn now Viaduct...
Dullish actually (though I find it suspicious the proximity of your posts and those of truth/trotter....where's chicken?).
You always want a fight, but I'm not interested in your tedious niggles. We will continue....so live with it!
Still strange how you consistently defend those you do not represent.
Oh dear me, Dullish.
Timing wise, your postings are suspiciously close to mine, ergo by your logic we are the same person as well...
Stop being so paranoid!
Where's Viaduct with his straightforward question?
Dullish, is this Viaduct's straightforward question?
Ok.
1. I do not have any vested interests.
2. I am not a defender of Dawlish Town Council.
Two straightforward answers for the price of one!
Viaduct, you don't like me because I've exposed you/dullish telling lies and propagating myths and falsehoods on here.
Please point out examples of this gibberish that you refer to. Not that I expect answers, because you don't do answers do you?
I refer the right honourable gentleman to answer #2 in my previous post.
What has this got to do with Giving To Charity?
Why do you seek to get involved in debate regarding Council/Rotary/Roundtable corruption when you have stated you have no vested interests or allegiance?
It's not a debate though is it, it's a witch hunt by one or two persons. Thankfully, since the webmaster called a halt to your deceptions, the number of aliases being used by the Angry Mob has swindled to just two or three.
Happily, we're no longer getting swamped by the same one or two people posting and re-posting the same allegations time after time, the same ones who reply to themselves in order to try to give the impression that loads of different people are in agreement. If you're looking for corruption pal, look in the mirror.
However! If you were to provide evidence to back up your allegations, I would support you 100%. I won't hold my breath though.
So, to provide you with a straightforward answer... I get involved because I don't like to see Dawlish-haters like you running down our town simply because you have a need to fulfil your tacky political point scoring.
You will probably notice that most of my threads are positive ones about Dawlish - I notice that you never reply to any thread that is positive about Dawlish. Why is that, Dullish? Straightforward answer required please.
Quite an angry response from someone who isn't defending Dawlish Councillors....
I love my town, like the majority of residents do, only difference is, there are those of us who know how corrupt certain Councillors/Rotarians/Roundtablers are; they feign devout loyalty to enhance their personal gain.
Since the Webmaster altered the sign in i've noticed we've had no postings from the following; Chicken Shed, Smuggy A, Mr Welly, Sunny A, Brunnie, Marine Tavern, Landsdowne, Chuffer and many more.... Explain that?
You also hoped it would stop debate that you didn't agree with, a stance very similar to Dawlish Town Council.
And for the record, there is no political point scoring, just a desire to see corrupt Councillors brought to book, whichever party they belong to.
I am far from being a Dawlish hater, but I do believe in people being informed of what is false as well as true.
There's plenty of evidence of your hatred for Dawlish - do you really want me to copy and paste it?
Putting that to one side, I'll ask my straightforward question again and hope that you answer it this time...
"You will probably notice that most of my threads are positive ones about Dawlish - I notice that you never reply to any thread that is positive about Dawlish. Why is that, Dullish? Straightforward answer required please."
You are probably referring to your proud to be British thread? I most definitely am proud. But I prefer to avoid jingoism.
Why do you attempt to hide/detract from news that concerns or relates to Dawlish, when it isn't wrapped up in candyfloss fluff?
Straightforward answer:
I Don't.
I would be interested in reading more news about Dawlish though, so if you have any, then please feel free to share it.
Sorry folks
Whilst some of you spend hours staring at the screen, I have a life!
You would like some straightforward question; well here goes.
Why do you think it is nessessary for Rotary/Round Table to collect money for other un-named charities at the time of collection?
And what evidence do you have that money placed in open buckets, (which was evident on many occasions during carnival week and illegal to do so)ended up where they claim it should have gone?
As I have said somewhere on this forum, cash is very hard for those in authority to trace.
Take £100 and give £50 to a charity sounds great, but there is a mystery there that you and I and others do not know about. You must have heard of dangling a carrot?
Trooter! if you are not sure then why bother?
And Joey Deacon asked fo questions, I gave him a couple, HE HAS BY-PASSED COMMENT AND THE ANSWERS - WHY?
Dear oh dear Viaduct, I've been sat here for three days waiting for you to ask me a "straightforward" question.
Fire away, me old china.
"Dear oh dear Viaduct, I've been sat here for three days waiting for you to ask me a "straightforward" question."
What a sad life you lead jokey deacon. I think Viaduct has more important things to do with time than waste it on you......
Hope you don't mind the cut & paste again?
Not only have your brain cells deserted you Joey Decon, it looks as if your eye - sight is on the wain.
I will paste what I wrote on the 19 Aug, so that you do not have to look too far*?!"#'@
Personal abuse again Viaduct??! You still haven't learnt your lesson following last Saturday's drama, have you?
I hold my hands up and admit that I missed your posting, which was stuck in the middle of thread and therefore overlooked by myself.
Despite your personal abuse, I will reply to it shortly in order to show that I am a man of my word.
Q1: Why do you think it is nessessary (sic) for Rotary/Round Table to collect money for other un-named charities at the time of collection?
A1: Your question isn't at all clear. However I'll try my best to make sense of it.
Whilst I'm not a member of either organisation, it is my belief that they collect money in order to raise money for these charities. DOH!
Maybe, just maybe they are just good guys - some still exist in this world, you know? People should never judge others by their own standards.
I don't believe that there's an ulterior motive and I've yet to see any evidence to show that there is an ulterior motive.
Q2:And what evidence do you have that money placed in open buckets ended up where they claim it should have gone?
A2:It's usually the case when making allegations, for the plaintiff to provide the evidence.
Of course I haven't got any evidence that it ended up where it should have! What on earth possesses you to think that I would?
Question for you - have you got evidence that it didn't end up where it should?
I'm sorry but the kind of argument you are using to try to prove your allegations would be laughed out of court by any rational person.
Q3:You must have heard of dangling a carrot?
A3: Yes, I have.
After you answered my own straightforward question, I'd be more than happy to answer any more of yours. Providing they don't contain personal abuse.
In spite of the spelling error, you understood the meaning of the word but did not understand the question, DOH!
What do u not understand or are you being flippant and then go on to attempt an answer in your own mickey – taking way? I said you did not answer in a straightforward way and you have demonstrated it in answer to the first question.
ROTARY/ROUNDTABLE, collect for other charities, WHY?
Can’t other charities collect for themselves? If they are collecting for another charity, why do they not say who they are collecting for at the time of the collection? Do they I wonder, tell those other charities that we are going to make a collection in Dawlish for u on such and such a date? So that those named charities can come along at the end of the day and take the containers from those wonderful people that have carried out the collection on their behalf before the containers disappear into oblivion.
You have not answered question 2: You have just made an excuse in legal parlance to avoid it.
Then you go on to say why should I have any evidence?
The point I am attempting to show is, if you have no idea where it goes, why do u contribute to it? When u go into a shop, u pass over your money which goes in the till and you get a receipt, what do u get when you throw money into an open bucket? The presumption that it is for a good cause, Well! there are a lot who benefit enormously from that presumption (good cause). Money is the root of all evil and in the form of cash it is even worse.
Question 3: You answered succinctly, but you completely missed the point.
Is saying we are collecting for another charity (dangling a carrot to make it appear we are good people) the real motive for doing it?
In answer to your question: have you got evidence that it didn’t end up where it should? I would not answer that sort of question on an open forum such as this.
What I am attempting to show others is this; things are not always what they appear to be, and at times it needs some explanation.
Does a financial advisor, advise u only for your benefit, or is there a bit in it for them?
Well of course there is something in it for them, otherwise they would not do it and at the time of the advice you are led to believe that there is gain for you in one form or another, you have no idea really what is in it for you, that will only become clear later, for better or worse.
How ironic that someone using the pseudonym The Truth does not accept the truth.
Instead, we get a shallow, defensive and disrespectful response, accusing Viaduct of being mentally ill.
Appears to be a mentally ill theme, what with joey deacon being the name of the spastic (now scope) brought to national attention by his appearances on Blue Peter.
Joey Deacon is a man of his word, nothing strange in that except his word is silence.
Asking questions of Rotary/Roundtable has obviously touched a nerve or two.
Why do Rotary have to collect for other charities was one of the questions I asked.
Cllr Ted Shockin Hockin aswered for you Joey instead with a short article in the Dawlish Gazette Aug 13 2008.
Former Rotary club hit man Cllr Ted shocking Hockin said, "The Rotary Club of Dawlish promotes the event (Charity Fair)so that charities can raise funds them-selves rather than always seeking funds elsewhere."
I thought all charities raised their own funds under their own banner?
Why is it neCessary (note I have changed the double s for a capital C Joey in case you haven't noticed) for other charities to have the support of Rotary?
I suppose the notoriety of Rotary needs to be underlined to make them viable.
A nerve has been touched, especially when you peruse stentorious Ted Hockin's defensive pleading in the Dawlish Blahzette.
Channel 4- The Secret Millionaire.
Now that's really giving to charity. Giving directly.
No 'creaming off' admin or continually 'bleating' how much you are doing for charity in the local rag/comic.
The majority of people who work and raise funds for charity are not rich or have money to throw away they do it out of the goodness of their heart, they are the unsung hero's
The millionaire on the t.v., probably gets paid or at least have earned 'fame' for the pregramme.
I agree with what you say.....many, many people are genuine in their charitable goodness.
My bone of contention is the so called 'admin' that Roundtable/Rotary 'cream off' whilst conducting their altruism. That's a lot of money not going where it was intended to go.
Still a good program though.....not only productive, but free of the x-factor type bullying and mockery that passes for entertainment these days.
Have you proof of the Round tables etc misconduct of money raised. If so I suggest you contact their governing body which can be found on the internet.
I am sure these bodies would take you seriously as they are registered charities and have not only their good name but also their license to uphold.
Good luck with ferriting out any members of these organisations, we have to name and shame if we know of misdeeds by those who are in a place of trust
I believe that it is reasonable to subtract modest expenses from money collected, provided that they were necessary as part of the process.
I do object to it where it is hidden or part of a fund-raising effort on behalf of the collector.
As I happen to know two Rotarians as acquaintances, I shall try to find out more and post the results at some point.
Yes please Don. After reading so much guff on here, I'd be interested in reading some facts about this.
Looking forward to finding out what your acquaintances have to say.
Joey,
Thanks,
Lest it be thought that any information would be tainted if it comes from a Rotarian, I would add that one of the two has given unstintingly of his time at several charity events at my bridge club. This has involved such non-lucrative work as lugging around chairs and tables and standing in a car park in the rain.
Neither has he claimed any expenses.
Don
Every year there is a carnival procession in Dawlish, and every year it is led by a bag-pipe band all in some sort of uniform, and every year that band is closely followed by a little man in civilian clothing who gets nothing more than enjoyment out of what he is doing.
Is your friend from Rotary out of the same mould as the little man following the band?
Viaduct,
I could ask him but, especially as he is an acquaintance rather than a friend, I will ask him the serious questions first.
I am assuming, of course, that people visiting the forum are interested in what a Rotarian might have to say.
Don
From my experience a lot of Rotarians/Roundtablers are only interested in things that bring them personal benefit. Which they hide by wrapping it up in fake altruism.
That's right, User 4549 / Roy / Dullish / Lord Flashheart.
Your mask always seems to slip on a Friday night. I wonder why that is........?
You are consumed with names twuth! Shall we add this to your obsession with alcohol?! A subject you continually bring up (scuse the pun)....are you trying to tell us something?
By the way......Dullish here
Interesting that you raise the subject of alcohol. Why would that be when I've not mentioned it once tonight.
I congratulate you for doing so well to remember which user name to use this time. Well done you.
PS This thread is getting a bit long - why don't you ask Lord Flashheart to start a new one?
No need to mention when what you imply is so transparent. I have no idea who flasheart is but amuses me that it adds to your paranoia....
Strange how you don't get involved with the meat and bones of certain threads. Is it because your lack of intelligence limits you to abuse only?
What do you think of our youth being exposed to the 'disaffected' in the new Youth Centre?
Look, to be honest with you Dullish / Roy / User 4549 / Lord Flashheart, I think that it's great news that my friends on the council, the Rotary Club and the Round Table have all made a fortune out of the deal to build this here youth centre.
In fact Dullish / Roy / User 4549 / Lord Flashheart, the drinks from the bar in the corner of the first floor of the youth centre are on me. What's your poison? The pleasure would be all mine.....