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CCTV Independent Report March 2008

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User 4549
User 4549
17 Aug 2008 20:11

This has been pasted from an 18 page report which is quite damning of the whole system that they spent your and my money on, you can get a a full copy of the report from the Town Hall

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Physical review of the cameras coverage and capability did reveal some electronic
'privacy' masking concerns Example: Tucks Plot [Holiday Flats & private residents] With the zoom
facility, it could also be possible to actually identify Credit Card Pin Number entry on some of the
Cash Machine transactions - If this was apparent to local residents, it would not help with the
credibility of the system - Such Issues should possible be reviewed internally.
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As such I am very careful when using the either of the two cash machines.

Viaduct
Viaduct
17 Aug 2008 20:44

Coming from an Independant Auditors report, just shows it is not just a few on this forum that are exposing the discrepancies/misguided information given by our councillors. He must have doubts on those doing the monitoring. Who is "Watching them Watching us?"
So how can Joey Deacon/Chicken Shed, etc defend that?

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
17 Aug 2008 21:45

Thanks for sharing the information that a report published 6 months ago is still available from the Town Hall. Good transparent stuff, well done to all concerned.

I agree that everyone should always take care when entering a PIN, whether at a cash point, at a supermarket or at a petrol station. I'm sure that most would agree that it's common sense really.

I personally doubt that a CRB checked CCTV operator would be so unscrupulous as to zoom into Joe Bloggs entering a PIN at a cash point, but as with most things in this life it's a case of better safe than sorry.

PS. I'm still not "Chicken Shed".

PPS. Viaduct, are the Red Arrows going to be flying at the opening cermony of the 2012 Olympics?

User 4549
User 4549
17 Aug 2008 22:27

Joey you say - I personally doubt that a CRB checked ( so was Huntley ) CCTV operator would be so unscrupulous as to zoom - my opinion is the camera should not be in placed in a position where temptation may prove too much. I suggest you get the complete 18 page report it is critical of just about everything to do with the CCTV that cost £80.000 +. for six cameras and Teignmouth are investigating putting 12 cameras for £35.000, what does that tell you.

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
18 Aug 2008 07:57

That suggests to me that CCTV camera's and the associated implementation costs have come down in price significantly. Or that Dawlish were grossly overcharged by the suppliers. I seriously don't know which one it is.

Where have people arrived at the 35K figure for the Teignmouth implementation? Do you have access to that quote and if so do you know what it includes (and therefore by a matter of deduction, what it excludes)?

User 4549
User 4549
18 Aug 2008 08:22

Joey I suggest you email Teignbridge Councillors with that question, email addresses can be found on their web-site Dawlish web cams when first muted were £8.000 then £25.000 and finally £80.000+ so it appears that they are getting more expensive not cheaper.
I asked the ex Mayor Prowse at a full DTC Meeting after reading the report. 'Who wil pay for the upgrade of the cameras which cannot see at night - non infra red - and corrections to all the other mistakes, her reply " Well I dont have any money" I replied 'you were quick enough to spend ours' then Cllr Protheroe asked if he could interject and did. He began by telling me he had a web cam on his pub, my reply 'Yes and that does not work at night does it as I have seen it on the web site?' he sat down. Put DawlishWeb Cam into google and you will find it.

Viaduct
Viaduct
18 Aug 2008 08:51

It would appear that Joey Deacon is some kind of slug, he quotes:"Thanks for sharing the information that a report published 6 months ago is still available from the Town Hall. Good transparent stuff, well done to all concerned."
That suggests to me that he implies that the council are so transparent that they are beyond reproach.
If the council were never challenged on the transparency subject, then you would probably never have had access to the Auditors report, because you would not have known it existed.
Over the years, sterling work has been/is being done, to make councillors more accountable for their actions.
The status quo has existed for far too long and it needs to change.
Councillors are not their to support their interests, they are there to support yours.
Why doesn't Joey Deacon contact the council himself and ask why when a vote is taken on any subject, no one know's, unless they were there, who voted for against or abstained.
Keeping the electorate in the dark is not transparent to me.

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
18 Aug 2008 11:10

Viaduct, I'm not going to reply to posts that contain personal abuse. I would have hoped you have learnt your lesson after Saturday's intervention by the Webmaster. Obviously you haven't yet.

PS Are the Red Arrows going to do a "fly past" at the 2012 Olympics?

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
18 Aug 2008 11:17

Sorry 'User 4549' but I've no intention whatsoever of emailing anyone, because frankly I'm not that bothered (rightly or wrongly). However I thought that you were bothered, hence I assumed you'd know the answers to the two very basic but fundamental questions that I posed.

I fail to see the connection you're trying to make between a low-end home webcam and a high-tech CCTV system. Please expand.

I'm pleased to read though that you attend Town Council meetings and actively participate in them.

Dullish
Dullish
18 Aug 2008 12:30

Once again Joey Deacon states "frankly I'm not that bothered" regarding Dawlish Town Council malfeasance. Yet he consistently defends them. Why this contrariness?

If only Dawlish Town Council were as transparent as his replies/defensiveness.


ps-reading other posts, i am also intrigued to know why Joey Deacon is using the name of a mentally ill man who appeared on Blue Peter and was ridiculed throughout the country.

pps-i believe Chicken Shed is now masquerading as The Truth.

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
18 Aug 2008 12:41

Hi Dullish. I see that you are as charming as ever.

Please provide evidence of what you (and your previous pseudonyms) call malfeasance? If you have evidence, then I will be delighted to join you in calling for heads to roll. The ball's in your court - go for it! I defend honesty, nothing else.

Talking of honesty, I did not write that I'm not bothered about malfeasance. As soon as you start making up quotes (i.e. lying) you lose credibility in the eyes of the people who read your postings.

P.S. Joey Deacon is my hero and using his name on here is my tribute to a fine man. I was very surprised that it took you so long to realise that it wasn't my real name - surely everyone of a certain age who has lived in this country all of their life knows who the real Joey Deacon was?

The Truth
The Truth
18 Aug 2008 12:49

Quote from Dullish:
pps-i believe Chicken Shed is now masquerading as The Truth.

Believe what you want, Dullish. with all these wild ever-changing theories spinning around in your head, hopefully you'll finally make your mind up before your head explodes. There again...

I actually live in Dawlish.

I don't hate our town.

Pity you can't say the same.

User 4549
User 4549
18 Aug 2008 12:59

Joey, I am staggered by your reply and also that your are not bothered, then why do who criticise people who take the trouble to find out what the Council do with our money, My point with Protheroe was, he brought up that he had a camera not me, and that he didn't know the difference between his camera and the ones he voted to install at enormous cost.
With regard to finding out for you from Teignbridge the cost of their camera, no chance. You just sit there and criticise let others worry about what goes in our Town.

Viaduct
Viaduct
18 Aug 2008 13:02

Joey Deacon- I will not take lessons from a slug, they are slimey creatures in case you didn't know.
They leave a trail of destruction that very few others can match.
About the Red Marrows - you should ask your favourite one - Seb Coe - he is the man at the helm! Email him.

Dullish
Dullish
18 Aug 2008 13:14

More pointless meanderings Joey, in your attempts to hide the fact you are a Dawlish Town Council lackey. What vested interests do you have to be such a consistent defender of a Council you are not bothered about?

What questions do you have regarding Dawlish Town Council?

As I have stated before, evidence is brought to the attention of the relative investigative authorities. This website, along with others, are utilised to highlight to as many people as possible, how much malfeasance takes place and what they can do to hold their Councils responsible and stop such misconduct.

I am not interested in slanging matches with you, so don't waste your breath. Informing and seeing justice prevail is the raison d'être



Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
18 Aug 2008 13:17

Hi User 4549.

If you recall, you were the one comparing the costs of two different CCTV systems. There's little point in making a cost comparison unless you know what the costs include. Is it apples for apples, or apple for pears?

I think it's fair to say from your replies, that you do NOT know what the costs include and what I'm saying is that I'm not bothered enough to find out on your behalf. I hope that clears up your little misunderstanding.

However, YOU obviously should be bothered enough to find out yourself, so that you can use it as evidence within the dossier that you're must be compiling. Surely?

Good luck. I hope this obsession with CCTV cameras doesn't drive you to want to emigrate to, oh I don't know, some south american country...

Viaduct
Viaduct
18 Aug 2008 13:19

With Joey Deacon remaining a party to the disgraceful carry on's of Dawlish Town Council, I thought he should read the Express & Echo today or I will make him aware of a comment which rings true of DTC as well.
Quote,"We have now obtained the independent report on the Pyramids pool which Exeter City Council didn't want to make public."
Now I wonder why these corrupt councils do not want the public to know anything?

Dullish
Dullish
18 Aug 2008 13:20

I live in Dawlish.

I love my Town.

Why are you severly lacking in your questioning of OUR Council?

ps-what happened to all the recipes you use to post? Or was that Chicken Shed?!



The Truth
The Truth
18 Aug 2008 13:30

If you lived in Dawlish and loved our town you wouldn't be posting messages on here like:

"I wouldn't bother with Dawlish.....Teignmouth and Shaldon much more picturesque. Try Dartmmoor, Cornwall or North Devon. Dartmouth and surrounding area is very good also, but avoid Dawlish Warren....prices are aimed at gullible tourists and nothing there of any worth."

As for my political views, I vote Green if they are standing, else I abstain. Not sure what my politics have got to do with you slagging off Dawlish and it's residents left, right and centre - but there you go buddy, you got your answer.

The Truth
The Truth
18 Aug 2008 13:34

You're wasting your breath trying to reason with these trolls.

I'm wondering how long it'll be before one of them says that I'm a councillor/mayor/estate agent/publican/traffic warden/black swan/vicar/doctor/baker/candlestick maker/etc.

User 4549
User 4549
18 Aug 2008 14:48

Joey, It was quoted in a local newspaper and it stated 'installation costs £35.000'. And you are such an obvious fool to think it is an obsession when all I have tried to say is our money has been wasted on a system that is not fit for purpose, and the pathetically stupid remark about emigration is laughable. Anyway I prefer to read sensible comments not drivel, so enough of the banter with you it gets nowhere.

Viaduct
Viaduct
18 Aug 2008 16:08

I wonder if dear Joey could muster up the same support as the American fools.
There appear to be plenty in Dawlish that he thinks follow him. Lets sit back and watch.

A prayer group in Washington DC is claiming the credit for the recent sharp drop in the US price of petrol.

Rocky Twyman, 59, a veteran community campaigner, started Pray At The Pump meetings at petrol stations in April.

Since then, the average price of what the US calls gasoline has fallen from more than $4 a gallon to $3.80.

"We don't have anybody else to turn to but God," Mr Twyman told the BBC. "We have to turn these problems over to God and not to man."

His first pilgrimage to the pump was prompted by fellow volunteers at the First Seventh Day Adventist Church in Petworth, a working-class neighbourhood of the US capital, who were struggling with higher gasoline prices.

He led them down the block to the local Shell gas station to pray. And over the months since then, he has held similar prayer meetings at pumps all over the US.

Prayer warriors

"We were down in Huntsville, Alabama. We finished praying," Mr Twyman said. "Immediately the owners came out and changed the gas prices. They brought it down. We had marvellous success down in St Louis, Missouri."

This week the group returned to the site of their first prayer meeting to celebrate. Singing "We shall overcome," they changed the words of the well-known hymn to "We'll have lower gas prices".

Mr Twyman is sceptical that market forces might be responsible for the lower prices. But he and his prayer warriors have changed their motoring habits.

"We believe not just in prayer - because we believe that faith without works is dead. So we've encouraged people to car-pool more and organise their days more, because it's a combination of faith with these other factors."

Pray At The Pump plans to build on its success and drive gasoline prices even lower. In the words of Rocky Twyman: "We just thank God for blessing us with small victories and we expect greater things to come."

So come on Joey, do your bit for Dawlish!

Trotter
Trotter
18 Aug 2008 16:52

I was so hoping that with the decision by the webmaster at the weekend, this sort of drivel would stop. Evidentally not. What is this fascination with accusations about our Town Council, councillors and the likes? For god sake give it a rest and change the bloody subject!

Viaduct
Viaduct
18 Aug 2008 17:51

We have a Dell boy trotting out an absurd request now.
Well let me say this,"One doesn't recognize the really important moments in one's life until it's too late."
Shame Trotter doesn't reconize what our council is all about.

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
18 Aug 2008 18:03

Our Viaduct, who art in Dawlish,
Hallowed be thy Lawn.
Thy Tesco's come,
Thy PIN has gone, on camera as it is in Devon.
Give us this day our daily rant.
And forgive us our Rotary,
As we forgive those that Roundtable against us.
And lead us not into Anon,
But deliver us from Dullish.
For thine is the mayor, and the council, and the CCTV, for ever and ever. Amen.

Dullish
Dullish
18 Aug 2008 18:13

Trotter

I think you will find the Webmaster believes in freedom of speech, democracy and fair play. How about yourself?

No one is forcing you to read or take part in these particular discussions. In fact there are numerous alternative threads/subjects for your delectation.

Why would you want it to stop? Are you involved with Dawlish Town Council? Your desire to suppress openness and transparency of debate is identical to that of Dawlish Town Council.

Viaduct
Viaduct
19 Aug 2008 03:20

So Joey Deacon is bored is it?
Shame really, as I would have thoght there was more than enough to keep the most superclious occupied on this site

The Truth
The Truth
19 Aug 2008 08:01

Classic comedy! Carrying on sticking it up the Angry Mob - easy target even though they are.

Amen.

Trotter
Trotter
19 Aug 2008 08:40

I also agree with freedom of speech, I am just bored of this continued attack on the Council. I am not anything to do with the council. Why do you assume that anyone who does not agree with you is part of the council? As you say Freedom of speech and all that.

Viaduct
Viaduct
19 Aug 2008 09:35


trotter! your comments suggest you are in favour of what our council does, could you explain what pleases you in what they do?
And with Wally Protheroe wearing a badge of honour which some of you look up too, could you please explain what he does for Dawlish other that pose in front of a camera hoping that that will give him unfettered recognition.
There is a rogue element with those in chains.
And boy it will be exposed.

Trotter
Trotter
19 Aug 2008 11:01

"trotter! your comments suggest you are in favour of what our council does, could you explain what pleases you in what they do? "

I have said nothing of the sort,where exactly do you get that from? I have just said that I am bored of the attacks against the council. I have my views thank you as I am sure lots of other people do.

Viaduct
Viaduct
19 Aug 2008 12:20

If you do not like the exposure given to the workings of Dawlish Town Council, then why make a comment?
If you are bored, get a life.

Trotter
Trotter
19 Aug 2008 17:13

I do have a life thank you, of which I am very proud of. The only thing I am bored of is the continued anti council posts. And yes I can chose not to read them, but occasionally there are some good threads and comments on this forum. Thank you.

Viaduct
Viaduct
19 Aug 2008 18:32

Ignore whatever you like, it is your choice. Not commenting, is your choice.
It is your choice to say whatever you like and likewise mine (whether it is considered to be right or wrong)and I will defend to my death your right to say it.

User 4549
User 4549
19 Aug 2008 18:44

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/023113bm.gif

Paste this link into your browser and then check the non prescribed lines, so why are Teignbridge continuing to allow us to fill the cash machines, before some of you jump, that question has been put them but not answered.

User 4549
User 4549
19 Aug 2008 22:35

I emailed the Independent Review CCTV to Richard Younger-Ross and below is part of his reply.

Is the report damning, that is a subjective matter, what pleases me is that such independent assessment takes place and any short comings are put right. If the Council do not act on it then that would be a worry. I also note that the author refers to best practice as well as legal requirement.

So he is not concerned that they can read your pin numbers and zoom into the bedrooms/lounges of private residences etc:
Still that's what you expect from an MP.

Dullish
Dullish
19 Aug 2008 22:55

What a vague and vapid response. Bias twaddle to protect his 'buddy' Protheroe. Younger-Ross' reply encapsulates the collusion that is rife regarding Dawlish Town Council matters.

Won't be long before this poor excuse for an MP is out on his ear come the next election.

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
20 Aug 2008 11:31

I agree, the sooner Ross The Younger is out, the better.

Who would you replace him with though?

Viaduct
Viaduct
21 Aug 2008 06:27


Wally Protheroe,
Best thing since sliced baracuda.

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
21 Aug 2008 20:03

And here's me thinking that I was posing a straightforward question to Dullish!

I wouldn't replace him with Wally Protheroe, he represents the wrong party for me.

Dullish
Dullish
21 Aug 2008 20:20

Joey Deacon....nothing but nothingness

Joey Deacon
Joey Deacon
22 Aug 2008 17:25

Well, I think you've had long enough to think up an answer Dullish Roy. So come along then, who would you replace Y-R with?

That's a perfectly simple quesion, I fail to understand why you are avoiding it and why you'd rather throw around personal insults against a fellow member of our forum.

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