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South West Waters Polluted.

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anon
anon
04 Aug 2008 11:17

South Devon beaches fail mandatory quality standards. Two beaches are closed. What does this mean for the rest of the coast, regarding water flow and tides? Is this the result of Global warming?

anon
anon
04 Aug 2008 12:05

Those Blue Flags don't look to stand for anything with pollution like this. Do you think we will get another cover up?

anon
anon
04 Aug 2008 12:30

This is too big to cover up. Torrential downpours apparently have polluted large stretches of South Devon coastline. Anyone for a swim? Not!

anon
anon
04 Aug 2008 13:46

No thanks! Especially after reading this in The Sunday Times.

From The Sunday Times
August 3, 2008
Water industry free to poison beaches
Unregulated overflow pipes allow companies to pour sewage onto Britain’s coastline
Jon Ungoed-Thomas

UK Bathing Sites - beaches where water quality has declined or only meets the EU basic standard

Environment Agency "deemed consents" - the list of sewage overflows with no environmental conditions

As you drive along the B3301 in north Cornwall, you come across the rocks and golden sands of Godrevy, overlooking St Ives Bay. It is among the finest beaches in Britain but on some days there is an unmistakable odour: sewage.

“You can smell it sometimes when you cross the Red River, which flows onto the beach,” said Richard Hardy, campaign director of Surfers Against Sewage. “Families sometimes play in the water without realising there is a serious risk of getting ill.”
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* Revealed: the beach polluters

About a mile upstream along the Red River is a sewage works where the overflow pipes are cut into the river banks. During heavy rain, flood waters and raw sewage surge out of the overflow pipes, down the Red River and on to Godrevy beach.

To veteran users of the beach, there is usually one fail-safe indicator of a pollution incident: cotton buds. “Where there are cotton buds, there is sewage, because of the numbers that are flushed down toilets,” Hardy said. “We pick hundreds of them off the beach.”

According to European Union water quality standards, Godrevy’s water enjoys high levels of cleanliness. However, only 20 tests are conducted during the bathing season and they often fail to detect the sporadic pollution from sewage overflows.

The case of Godrevy highlights a threat to the water industry’s £10 billion drive to improve the cleanliness of Britain’s beaches. There are hundreds of beaches around the country that, like Godrevy, might at times have raw sewage running across their sands because of the wetter weather and a sewage system “at bursting point”.

While the water industry has been praised for improving the cleanliness of coastal waters – shutting most of the raw sewage outfalls off the coast – about one in four beaches still fails to qualify for the EU’s top category.

The Marine Conservation Society (MCS), which produces the Good Beach Guide, wants to see stricter controls on sewage overflows which can still blight many of the country’s beaches. It has also discovered Britain has a network of about 3,500 sewage overflows operating on the country’s rivers and along some sections of coast without any environmental conditions. This means they can spew out unlimited amounts of sewage without risk of prosecution.

The number of beaches recommended by MCS dropped by 10% last year. This is partly attributed to agricultural pollution, but also the overflow of sewage in wet weather. According to data compiled by the society, more than 100 beaches that have regulated sewage overflow outlets had declining water quality in 2007, compared with the previous year.

One of those beaches was Whitburn beach, Sunderland. Residents complain it is regularly blighted by sewage and related debris. The pipe that carries storm water and sewage out to sea is several hundred yards offshore but, it is claimed, pollution washes back to the beach.

A local authority report of an incident last April reported 500 items of sewage debris strewn along the promenade and beach-front. Robert Latimer, 64, who lives on the seafront, said: “You get sewage everywhere. They were only meant to use this outfall 20 times a year, but sewage is coming out all the time.” Another beach that has seen its water quality decline is the shoreline at Instow, at the confluence of the River Torridge and the Taw estuary in north Devon. It was one of the few beaches to fail the legal minimum water quality standards last year.

Farming effluent is partly blamed for the decline, but the beach also has a sewage overflow. It may also be adversely affected by overflows from the Torridge. Data obtained by MCS reveals that the river has five sewage overflows that have no environmental limits on the amount of sewage they can discharge.

Britain’s unregulated sewer overflow pipes are predominantly on the river network and are a throwback to when the water industry was privatised in 1989. At that time, there were more than 20,000 sewage overflow outlets and they were granted “deemed consent” as an interim measure to ensure the assets of the new companies were lawful. It has now emerged that 3,500 of these sewage outlets are still operating without any environmental conditions.

As well as the Torridge, rivers with unregulated sewage overflows include the Thames, the Cherwell in Oxfordshire, the Don in South Yorkshire and Calder in Lancashire. The Anglers’ Conservation Association (ACA) is also calling for tough legal restrictions to be placed on these overflows.

Since The Sunday Times’s Water Rats campaign highlighted the devastating impact of river pollution at the time of water privatisation, water quality in rivers has significantly improved, partly because of improved environmental practices, but also because of the decline of heavy industry.

However, the unregulated sewage overflows in effect mean water companies can pollute watercourses without risk of prosecution. The ACA says a pollution leak in June 2005 when hundreds of fish were killed by sewage in a river near Manchester was never pursued in the courts because the overflow operated by United Utilities was one of those with “deemed consent”.

United Utilities was unable to trace details of the pollution incident this weekend, but the Environment Agency said the fact the overflow had deemed consent was just one of the reasons a prosecution was not pursued. In a similar leak, in the summer of 2006, fish on the River Don were described as jumping out of the water “gasping for breath” and thousands were killed. The overflows operated by Yorkshire Water were also subsequently discovered to have deemed consent and there was no prosecution.

The ACA says the Environment Agency is failing adequately to tackle the water industry over pollution. In a submission to the agency, it has warned that pollution from overflows had led to a “reduction in fish” and the routine sight of “physical residue of sewage discharges hanging on bankside vegetation”.

The agency said this weekend that the overflows with deemed consents were not considered to be causing serious pollution, but new restrictions would be imposed on them. Chris Chubb, discharge consents policy manager for the agency, said overflow pipes were being replaced or improved where possible.

Additional reporting: Georgia Warren

Waste law

One of the most unsightly and irritating sights on Britain’s coast is sewage or related debris dumped by boats.

Under international maritime law ships are prohibited from discharging raw sewage within 12 miles of the coast. (Beyond that it is not considered a pollution risk.) If the waste has been treated it must be dumped at least three miles offshore.

Ships must be fitted with a sewage treatment plant or holding tank.

The maritime laws apply only to vessels that carry more than 15 people. Pleasure craft are subject to Environment Agency regulations and local harbour bylaws.

In tidal waters there is no blanket rule against dumping of sewage, as effluent may quickly be dispersed, but harbour bylaws often prohibit it.

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There should be a ban on disposal of Condoms,at sea.

derek bevan , huntingdon , England.

Matches the rest of what was our green and pleasant land. The whole place has become an open sewer under NuLabour.

Bob, Cowes, UK

"Chris Chubb, discharge consents policy manager for the agency, said overflow pipes were being replaced or improved where possible".. huh?, so that they can continue discharging sewage? Surely they should be being removed.

Pete, Manchester,

At a Marina in Falmouth South West Water have 2 outlets with consent to discharge sewage into the Penryn River in an emergency. 17 times so far this year. The sewage gets trapped by the tide. Despite pressure from the EA and Environmental Health they still have the nerve to blame third parties.

John Osmond, Falmouth, Cornwall

The South West Water list of consents on the Times web site is not complete. I have 2 at my place of work on the Penryn River. 8 years I have been battling SWW, they think they are a law unto themselves. 17 tines this year sewage has been discharged into the river. This is 2008!

J Osmond, Falmouth, Cornwall


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anon
04 Aug 2008 15:56

Watch the tourist board defend this. It's all about money and not residents who live here 24/7

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anon
04 Aug 2008 16:13

There are many businesses who would like to keep this quiet as well.

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anon
04 Aug 2008 16:25

like some of the people on here? running a biz and ignorant a lethal combination.

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anon
04 Aug 2008 16:47

like i said...they don't care about the town they are in. As long as it makes them money they will stay, but you watch their loyalty to the town if the business falters.

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anon
04 Aug 2008 18:01

Apparently no signs were up to warn people. Not very responsible. But what do you expect from officialdom who do all they can to cover things like this up.

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anon
04 Aug 2008 20:34

It's been on NEWS 24. Good to see openness prevail.

anon
anon
04 Aug 2008 21:24

Torre Abbey beach given all clear.

Preston beach water still at unacceptable level for swimmers and bathers.

More heavy rainfall forecast.

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anon
04 Aug 2008 21:29

I wonder how many other South Devon beaches are at risk from this pollution?

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anon
05 Aug 2008 11:19

you can guarantee things have been kept from the public, just like on the news yesterday....none of the public were informed until those responsible were forced to come clean.

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anon
05 Aug 2008 12:22

ducks are luvin it

anon
anon
05 Aug 2008 12:35

im luvin the ducks

anon
anon
05 Aug 2008 13:53

ducklings are enjoying weather

anon
anon
05 Aug 2008 14:02

ey-up me duck!

Viaduct
Viaduct
05 Aug 2008 14:25

Oh duckie!

anon
anon
05 Aug 2008 17:14

There is a poster on this website (namely Joey Deacon, or his pseudonym, Chicken Shed), who is trying to suppress this information in an attempt to promote the carnival (of which he is a carnival committee member).

Can a person be trusted who is willing to stop tourists being informed of important issues, all for the sake of making as much money as possible from those same tourists during carnival?

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anon
06 Aug 2008 11:55

He can't be trusted and he has a lot to hide!

To confirm this, you will see he is trying to keep relevant water and coastal pollution information from tourists and residents by posting threads of articles from around the world.

Why would you do this unless you wanted to hide certain information to protect your vested interests.....namely, fleecing tourists of money?

Shame on this Dawlish Carnival Committee Member.

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anon
06 Aug 2008 12:16

I whole-heartedly agree!

This is a local issue for local people.

From the Hearld Express website:

www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/news/Split-pipe-causes-stink-valley/article-253184-detail/article.html

A fountain of foul-smelling sewage drenched a South Devon valley for several hours before engineers were able to stop it, say residents.

Homeowners in Galmpton near Brixham say they, their homes, and cars were covered in a fine mist of effluent on Monday.

Bob Miller, of Manor Court, Kiln Road, says a pipe appears to have split in a South West Water sewage pumping station nearby early in the day.

“It ejected a large quantity of sewage over the valley. It went 30 to 40ft into the air and it went on for more than three hours.

“Pollution was running into the River Dart, it went over us, our cars and our properties.

It was very strong smelling — a problem which has been going on at the site for a number of years.

“There was a treatment works on the site which was closed with Clean Sweep and turned into a pumping station to take effluent from Stoke Gabriel to the treatment works at Brokenbury, Churston.

“It was supposed to be replaced with a completely enclosed and low maintenance unit, but we think it is very different from that.”

A SWW spokesman said: “Around 8am on Monday, a small weld on a pressure gauge at the Kiln Road pumping station cracked.

“This created a fine spray of effluent on the site which also went into a hedge behind some houses.

“The pumps were turned off and the problem was fixed by around 11.30am.

“A team cleared up the site and spoke to residents to reassure them. We are sorry if this equipment failure caused any inconvenience.”

SWW says the problem was identified at 08.05am and fixed at 11.20am.

“The crack was in a 50mm weld so the escape was probably small.

“A team was sent there as soon as they were available.”

Water guardian the Environment Agency says it is investigating the incident and complaints alleging delays in repairing the leak.

A spokesman said: “Investigation could lead to enforcement action and that could lead to prosecution.”

1 comment.
I like to sea bathe in the nude; if this reaches the sea I might have to give up my pastime!!

I warned people about this 3 years ago! But no-one would listen! And now it's too late!
Roy, Dawlish, Devon.
commented on 06-Aug-2008 11:36

anon
anon
06 Aug 2008 14:14

This is a disgrace! I feel particularly sorry for the poor chap who left a comment on that website. I hope that he's able to carry on his pastime.

anon
anon
06 Aug 2008 17:46

I've just had a read of that there website,

www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/news/Split-pipe-causes-stink-valley/article-253184-detail/article.html

and I also feel sorry for the poor old fella.

I hope this foul torrent of sewage doesn't stop him from dipping his dinkle in the sea. People fought wars so that fine upstanding citizens like him could be free to go about their business as god intended.

anon
anon
06 Aug 2008 17:49

branded and predictable. spot the mainstream victim

Chicken shed
Chicken shed
06 Aug 2008 21:46

i wish roy would take a long swim.

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anon
07 Aug 2008 14:37

Who is this Roy who has commented on the website below? I didn't realise that the Herald Express website was one of those "holiday websites"? that Roy goes to to tell people not to come to Dawlish. Bizarre antics from someone who gets more maniacal by the day.

www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/news/Split-pipe-causes-stink-valley/article-253184-detail/article.html

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anon
07 Aug 2008 14:43

apparently he's joey deacons alter, alter ego chicken shed.

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anon
08 Aug 2008 12:53

Oh, so you now think that Joey Deacon and Checken Shed are also Roy?

Curioser and curioser.

www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/news/Split-pipe-causes-stink-valley/article-253184-detail/article.html

anon
anon
12 Aug 2008 14:55

What's with the NO BATHING on Dawlish sea-front? Is that sewage coming out of the pipes near The Brook?

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