General Discussion
Youth centre focus is wrong!
I'm furious about the proposed use of the youth center. The problem isn't that there will be "disaffected young people" (DYPs), it's that they will be herded here from all over the district. So, whereas it's fine to have DYP's from Dawlish here, because they'll balance out person-to-person the decent kids, now we could end up with 20 DYP's to every normal adjusted kid - and that's NOT right!
The youth centre was billed for our young people, and designed for them, and now they are saying it's got to be changed to accomodate every snotty-nosed, knife-wielding ASBO-proud yoof in the whole of Teignbridge. And give them the kit to sharpen their crow-bars, saw off their shotguns, and the venue to buy/sell drugs.
Sandy Lane may get a new unofficial off-licence, but Dawlish will become a no-go zone.
Why oh why oh why are they trying to stiff us with this? We aren't even in a central location to bus all these troublemakers into. Can't they set up some service for them in Forde House? Or are they worried they will be the subject of too many bad influences there?
everyone is up in arms about youth unemployment etc., they do something positive about it and hey presto everyone is up in arms.
Olive, no-one in their right mind would object to help being given to get people jobs (of whatever age).
The issue as I see it is that because of lack of public consultation by DAY (Dawlish Action for Youth)concerning the proposed new use of the lower floor of the Youth Centre what is being proposed has come as a bit of a shock. The first many knew of it was when they read the planning application. Indeed the ONLY THING many know about it is from what is on the planning application.
Had people been informed/consulted beforehand it is quite possible that those who are presently expressing concern would not have done so. And might I add, DAY are still not being forthcoming with any more information than that which is on the planning application despite various requests from various people.
Back to youth centre focus - I have requested, in writing, answers to various questions about the Youth Centre-come-Training Centre and been refused answers. No consultation! No answers to questions! What is the world coming to?
As you rightly point out it is a training centre as much as it is a youth centre. I looked at the plans and it is open until 10pm, Monday to Friday. FOR TRAINING! Don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to do metalworking training until 10 at night. I wouldn't want to live next to it either.
On the youth side... it's not open on Sundays, or Saturday afternoons... what does that say about it serving the youth at a time they want to use it?
Like i said...this smacks of a job centre add-on. This is nothing to do with creating something for the youth of Dawlish. It's all about a deal struck by John Anthony, Dawlish Town Council and Teignbridge to personally benefit financially, while implementing yet more loopy, nanny-state, Labour policy.
The people we have representing us on Dawlish Town Council are obsessed by making money and prestige. They use Council business and protocol to pursue this greed. I would personally like to see mayor Protheroe investigated, as i believe he is behind the majority of this malfeasance and continues to abuse his position of Council.
That's a very good question Shopaholic. Unfortunately, information on the Youth/Training Centre is not forthcoming at the moment so all the vast majority of us know is what is on the planning application.
You could go along to DAY's AGM this Monday and ask then though whether or not you'll get an answer is anyone's guess.
i just wondered as i have a 13 year old son (youth) who understandably, i wouldnt particularly want around dissafected 17/18 year old youths.
Snap - except mine's female. And how you feel is exactly how I and others feel. No doubt we will be accused of nimbyism, snobbery, prejudice etc etc.
As a mum of a 14 year old daughter, I think we need to face up to reality - there's way too much political correctness going on. Nobody wants their children to be exposed to a peer group that will teach them habits/behaviour that is anti-social. Or worse - to spend time with people who could cause them harm. But it's not PC to say these things, in case we offend the offenders!!!
Its wrong that the only way we can get a youth centre for our children is by compromising their safety and well being. Also what kind of people are going to be hanging around there until 10pm! the same and more of the like that loiter around the lawn every evening!
Shopaholic, Another Mum and everyone else who reads these threads and who are concerned: PLEASE WILL YOU LET OTHER PARENTS KNOW WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
Remember, not everyone has access to the internet, let alone knows how to use it, let alone knows about this forum.
And tell them to tell others. And tell all to protest about what is being proposed.
At the very, very, least we parents should have more information. But none is forthcoming. We should have been consulted. But no consultation.
Tell DAY what you think about this.
Tell the Councillors what you think about this.
Tell the local papers what you think about this and Tell the planning authorities what you think about this.
It needs someone with a strong voice to set up a campaign against this happening.(Before it's too late)e.g. Print off some details of the plans and pop them through a few doors.
As you say not everyone has access to the Internet.
As Vice-Chair of Dawlish Action for Youth I have been following the various comments on this website with much interest. However, the observations by 'Roy' are deeply offensive and go far beyond any acceptable level of debate. I have worked for this community without payment in various capacities over the past 13 years.I would really be iterested to know how I am supposed to benefit financially from the work I do; in fact, I have probably spent thousands in telephone calls, postage, petrol and the rest. We certainly could have done better in terms of communication, but where I have been approached directly, i have tried to engage openly and honestly with peoples' concerns. I promised my family months ago that I would retire when the SK8 Park build was started and I will keep that promise. I am getting too old for all this and frankly the constant rudenss and carping has done for me. There are a lot of good people in this town who are working hard for the community; perhaps those who just want to have a 'pop' could try to make a positive contribution instead? And perhaps those who hide behind the cloak of anonymity could come out into the open? Show some courage!
You plead with fake bleeding heart while knowing full well the collusion that takes place.
Is it going to be a Job Centre Plus add-on? Yes or no?
Public journalism is here to stay.
Do you mean the Civic Press? The ones that defend the status quo and the establishment? Forget them....the way forward is Public Journalism. It's neutral and exposes the parasites who purport to represent the interests of those they serve.
Personally i think its hilarious just think you could have had a Tescos supermarket there instead.
Almost everyone wanted to have Sandy Lane kept as a recreation area for the youth so now you got it.
Some things are not always what they seem
Ain't life a bitch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I live near where this is being proposed and there is no way I want this outside my front door. What do you mean by contact the press. Do you mean the Gazette?
The Youth Club had planning permission long before Tesco turned up wanting to build. (virtually next door!).
It isn't that a Youth Club has planning permission to be built there, more that a Youth Training Centre, hasn't. Do you see the difference?
The plans for the Youth Centre use have changed to 50% of it being for training in woodwork and metalwork and it seems also that those using it (or that part of it) will be travelling in from across Teignbridge.
Health & Safety Issues?
Traffic Issues?
Waste Disposal Issues?
Noise issues?
Risk Assessment?
Carbon footprint?
Get the picture of what is of concern?
Yes, try the gazette, the post, the herald express and the express and echo. While some of the more local papers may be biased towards the youth and training centre, the others will take a more balanced approach. At the end of the day they report on what interests people, so if you show them this noticeboard, that'll prove how concerned people are. google all the papers to find out the local reporters' details.
What you think about this planning application can matter provided you DO SOMETHING.
Object to the planning application on the grounds that have been given to you on this thread and on others.
Details of how to lodge objections can be found on another thread.
Don't forget to quote the planning reference.
Elsewhere.
And before anyone responds with "Why didn't I go to DAY's AGM to find out more?" I didn't go because I had other things on and anyway DAY should have got info out to the town weeks back not at their AGM after they have submitted their planning application for a 50% Youth Training Centre.
corrupt! corrupt! corrupt! Why ask people to attend an AGM when it's a 'done deal'? Why are we now looking at a Youth Centre which doubles up as a training centre? Isn't training the the purpose of Colleges?
This smells of a deal done behind Dawlish residents backs, to ensure our Dawlish Town Council gets the money for a Youth Centre, to show us all how fantastic they are.
When the truth is, because of Dawlish Clown Council's malfeasance....they've had to concoct this Youth Centre 'deal' to be able to afford something they promised years ago!
Absolute no-hopers who should all resign with deep shame.
It will be interesting if they just let it slip by and grant it planning. There are so many things wrong with the plans. Here's one; opening times - to 10pm for training. Although the sk8park closes at 9pm. How's that going to work then?
I wonder if this has anything to do with it.
The Bill introduces a requirement to remain in education or training beyond the current statutory leaving age, and implements the recommendations of the Leitch Review on adult skills.
The Bill contains measures to encourage more young people to participate in learning post-16 and to achieve higher levels of skill and qualification. The Government proposals go beyond the current aspiration so that by 2013, all 17 year olds, and by 2015, all 18 year olds, are participating in some form of education or training.
Key areas
* Raises the age young people stay in education or training, with a duty on young people to participate and on parents to assist their children to participate
* Sets out duties on employers to release young people for the equivalent of one day a week to undertake training elsewhere (where the employer does not provide their own training)
* Introduces a duty on local authorities to ensure that young people participate and to provide the support service currently known as Connexions
* Requires local authorities to assess the education and training needs of young people aged 16-19 with special educational needs
* Requires the Learning and Skills Council to secure the proper provision of courses for learners over the age of 19.
It may well have a lot to do with it - but according to the planning application the 'disaffected' young people using the training facility will be too young to drive (thus under 17) which is why no extra car parking facilities are needed!
Someone's either telling prorkies or it's a slop shod planning application - I suspect the latter.
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"it's a slop shod planning application. "
I can agree with that, but what have the planning authority done about it?
Nothing yet - it has yet to go to planning. Or to be precise, the planning application regarding the youth training centre and its knock on effects are yet to go to planning.