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@Steve , yes I agree. The problem is that climate change has been communicated in terms of doomsday scenarios which has the effect of making people fearful, focusing on intrinsic needs and not collective endeavour, causing inertia. That and scientific data on a global scale and a magnitude that is often too abstract for people to comprehend and relate to their everyday lives. Plus if it really ...
@Paul A belief is not the same as fact. So you really contest that 200 years of industrialization has had a negative impact on rising greenhouse gas emissions? And just because somebody has lived by the sea in the Dawlish area all there life and based on their personal observations they say that sea levels haven't changed doesn't make it fact. It also can't be extrapolated and used as ...
@Burnside I know there are some scientists that don't subscribe to the mainstream view and I'm aware of criticisims levelled at many of them relating to lobbysits and corporation in certain industries that they're linked to. However if you're suggesting that the scientific consensus on anthropgenic climate change is in fact a worldwide conspiracy then why should we have any faith in any ...
@Paul I think a lot of people who would usually vote Tory did the same as you, and some usual Tory votes who wouldn't vote Refom just stayed at home and didn't vote at all. I don't think the low voter turn-out is solely down to photo ID coming in. The Labour party knows that their victory isn't as convincing as the landslide 412 seats suggests, it's all down to first-past-the-post, with ...
@Paul but what options did the elctorate have in a system dominated by two parties which are fundamentally the same? Re-elect the Conservatives who broke everything that needs fixing? or Elect Labour? Which is just a Tory-lite party - nothing was ever going to change in any meaningful way, hence the low turn-out and reduced vote share for Labour compared to 2019. ...
@burnside Just a genuine question here. Not asked emotively or with any intention to belittle okay? But if it is a scam; 1) It'd have to be a scam on a global level, a massive conspiracy involving the scientific community, the press, governments, business, educational institutions, etc across all national boundaries and cultures - not to mention rival powers who are at war and or poilitically, ...
The two are related. I assumed you were using the two interchangeably as anything on the left, others have referred to Stalin and Lenin on this thread. It's hardly socialism in the UK; Individuals own personal property unlike communism where nobody owns property or personal assets. But we don't live in a socialist nation where all industrial and production capacity is communally owned and ...
@Steve if you accepted the right were not immune to tyranny and corruption you'd see the Tory PPE scandal for what it is, right wing corruption unrelated to socialism. I'm not defending socialism by the way, but you seem to think any form of government that is 'big' is automatically socialist. Any form of government that attempts to control and exert power over the people as opposed to serving ...
@Knighton . okay I'll take a deeper dive. @Steve Yes I know the UKIP/Reform rationale regarding leaving the EU. Leftists like Corbyn wanted out of the EU because it was seen as a neoliberal project superceding nation states. I just don't believe the UK has the clout to go it alone, not when so much trade is done with our closest geographical neighbours across the Channel, we're stuck ...
@Knighton Labour is now a centre right party so that explains why the right wing medi are getting behind Starmer. I found the article referring to the 3 Greens and accepted that most parties have issues relating to discrimination, but Refrom UK seems to have far more skeletons in their closet. You mentioned 16 Greens, I'd take a look if you can provide a link. Not sure I understand your point ...