General Discussion
This thread is as fascinating as the clowns in parliament. If,if,if. I think that the 27 are more worried now than they have ever been even though things have not yet come to a conclusion. Would any of you contributing to this site vote ever again for some idiot to run your life. Don'task me because I have never voted in my life, and you can see why.
The EU is now saying a WTO Brexit on April 12th is likely. Job done.
Order, order. Calm yourselves. Leave on the 12th, with no deal. PM BoJo. It's not a prediction. It's just the way it's going to be.
I didn't call anyone thick. People don't want to spend or have the time to learn. Much easy to be fed the "information" by their biased resources. The 2 main party's hands were tied by the idiot Cameron at the last GE.
French and Dutch voters were given a say on the Lisbon Constitution, but after both electorates rejected the proposed constitution it was rewritten as treaty, and in a way that bypassed any legal requirement for referendums in member states. https://euobserver.com/institutional/25052 You say us plebs are way too thick to have a vote on such complex issues, but after witnessing the shitshow ...
" Not once were we given a chance to vote on these treaties" correct but you voted for representation in the parliaments in the form of MEPs and MPs. This should never have been given to the public to decide on. Too big an issue and far too nuanced for the majority of the public. If you wanted to leave then put a leave party in Government, that's how it should have worked.
I can't speak for Farage, but I know I had to wait 40 years to vote again on the issue. Let's enact the Leave result and then after a suitable period (40 years?), we can evaluate if it has been a success.
So if the 1975 referendum was so completely different in oh so many ways then claims by Leavers that the 2016 referendum was the second referendum are invalid. Two entirely different sets of circumstances. The 2016 referendum was the first one concerning our membership of the EU. The outcome was a close run thing. So close that arch Brexiter, N. Farage, anticipated that a 48/52 outcome ...
I would remind you that the '75 referendum occured when we had been in the EEC for only two years, nothing much had happened by then, I don't think people thought membership had affected them much at all. Of course the EEC then morphed into the EU with myriad game-changing treaties, such as Maastricht and Lisbon, being introduced. Not once were we given a chance to vote on these treaties, Gordon ...
On a 48/52 outcome I doubt very much that the 48ers would have been ignored for too long.* (Be interesting to see which hard line Brexit MPs suddenly lose their oh so principled objections to supporting May's deal when it comes to the vote in the HoC this afternoon). *The 1975 referendum outcome was 67.23% yes; 32. 77% No Quite a bit different from the much closer 48/52 outcome of ...