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The new Cultural Pavillion Planning Application

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Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
14 Sep 2014 10:48

Sorry about the duplication of this post

The planning application is to be considered by the TDC Planning Committee on Tues 23 Sept. a committee made up of Councillors.

Here's the thing, if you are an objector or a supporter,  you have had only eleven days notification of the meeting telling you that only ONE objector or ONE supporter can speak at the meeting.  If you are a third party to a planning application you do not have the right to appeal against the decision, that right is only reserved for the applicant (DTC).  In this case if you are an objector, your rights are entirely in the hands of democracy now, the democracy that voted in DTC and in turn the TDC Planning Committee.  Lets see how that Democracy is handled by whoever is going to speak on behalf of the applicant, given that the overall public response to this application is not in favour. 

 

michaelclayson
michaelclayson
14 Sep 2014 18:38

@B2000F

 

Just to explain to you and others reading that the following proposition was voted at the Town Council on August 19th

  1. That no further work is done to progress a stage two bid for the Town Council proposals;
  2. That the current application is withdrawn once the Planning Officer recommendation and supporting rationale has been published
  3. That the Sustrans bid is a matter for that organisation and that Dawlish Town Council does not become a partner to their bid at this late stage;
  4. That time be taken to evaluate fully the responses from the June consultation;
  5. That the Council present this information to Teignbridge Town Centre Working Group after being presented to Dawlish Town Council so that the District Council can undertake consultation on a revised master plan for the lawn; and
  6. That potential funding sources for future funding bids related to potential town centre projects, as identified in the report, be noted

The Planning Officer has now issued her report, and so the Town Council will be withdrawing its application before any vote is taken at Teignbridge and no legal precedent will be set for the future.

 

The advantage of following this process of letting the planning application run until the Officer issued her report is that should anyone in future want to put forward proposals for a Bandstand replacement, they will have the benefit of detailed opinion on matters such as Flooding, impact on the Conservation Area and Landscape, Residential Amenity, Biodiversity.  To have this information together with the hundreds of responses to the Town Council consultation will obviously be very helpful in considering what form of replacement should be proposed.

 

The Planning Officer's report can be found at http://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/article/21242/23-September-2014

 

 

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Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
14 Sep 2014 23:06

Thank you for this information Councillor Clayson. As a Town Councillor I was not aware that the  planning officer had issued her report. I wonder how many other Councillors are aware that this report has been issued? It certainly has not been sent to all Councillors by the Town Clerk, which would be the appropriate process to follow. 

Point three of Councillor Clayson's post above is very important as at the Council meeting, when the Sustrans bid was mentioned, it was made clear by the Councillor leading on the CCF bid that Sustrans have or will be applying to build a cycle hub/visitor centre. In deed, on a post on this site, the same Councillor said "one element of the Dawlish bid will be met by the Sustrans bid". If this was alluding to the build of the cycle hub/visitor centre then the people of Dawlish need to keep a close eye on the Sustrans bid and any future planning applications. 

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Likeablerat
Likeablerat
15 Sep 2014 08:16

Margaret Swift, yet more sarcasm directed towards Councillor Clayson; surely you could have chosen a more dignified means of communicating with a Councillor colleague? by telephone or by email perhaps and not via this website?

It is obviously apparent that some Councillors are more focused than others when keeping their ears to the ground regarding important matters, surely you should have been more proactive regarding the progress of the planning application and not wait for someone to place a piece of paper in your hand.

You were at the forefront of the objectors and as a consequence our beloved bandstand will remain in place for decades to come.

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burneside
burneside
15 Sep 2014 11:15

I see the rat is spouting nonsense yet again.  The current bandstand will most certainly not be in place "for decades to come".  I fully expect that TDC will now progress its plans for a new, more fitting, bandstand which I believe were being formulated before the woodlouse folly reared its ugly head.

michaelclayson
michaelclayson
15 Sep 2014 11:31

I wish it were true that Teignbridge were busy formulating plans for a new Bandstand.

Absolutely no detailed planning had been done for a new bandstand.  More of an aspiration than a plan.

 

Hopefully the impetus given to this situation by the hard work of the Town Council will persuade the District to give the project  greater priority.   They will certainly benefit from the expert opinion generated by the planning application, and the huge effort that we put into the public consultation which has given hundreds of people the opportunity to express their views on what they would like to see happen.

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Lindapetherick
Lindapetherick
15 Sep 2014 11:44

Bernard I am on the Town Lawn Group and I have no knowledge of a plan being formulated for a new bandstand.

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burneside
burneside
15 Sep 2014 11:50

Would that be the consultation which was initially going to be rushed through before people really understood the implications of what was being proposed? 

Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
15 Sep 2014 12:52

That'd be the consultation that helped people to understand the implications of the proposal, and to therefore vote for the cultural pavilion in preference to either a Victorian bandstand or the present carbuncle remaining as is...

 

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burneside
burneside
15 Sep 2014 13:58

The very same consultation which revealed that 56% did not want the woodlouse.  Anyway, it's all history now, as I suspect certain councillors will be after next year's elections.

Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
15 Sep 2014 14:12

The same consultation which revealed that 64% didn't want a Victorian bandstand and 80% didn't want the present carbuncle that sadly we're now stuck with. However Bernie, you might be surprised to learn that I otherwise agree with you. Your sister will have even more time on her hands after next May...

 

Why haven't you replied to the Councillors who have disproven your false claims about Teignbridges "plans" for the Lawn?  Though maybe you're writing a letter to the Evening Standard about it...?

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Purrrrrfect
Purrrrrfect
15 Sep 2014 16:38

Why don't you give it a rest JC, I'm sure I'm not the only one getting a little tired of your 'Mightier than thou' attitude! Why not try holding your breath for five minutes and give everyone else a rest.

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Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
15 Sep 2014 16:46

Well, I apologise for having an opinion that causes you to wish to shout me down with your bullyboy tactics.  My voice isn't about being "Mightier than thou" or even "Holier than thou", it's about correcting those who have an agenda that is full of lies, deceit, innuendo and misinformation. 

 

One thing though, why have you changed your username from ALLEMS? Which a number of us know was a new persona itself.  

 

 

Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
15 Sep 2014 16:51

Thank you to Mr Clayson for your post it was very informative. 

So, the large central space and the character of the area locally known as the 'Lawn' falls foul to half baked ideas of regeneration.    Heaven help our open spaces!

 

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Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
15 Sep 2014 17:18

@ALL THE DAWLISH TOWN COUNCILLORS ...  a copy of a comment on the planning application website.

 

 

For attention of CEO

 

Dear Ms Burbeck,

 

We the undersigned, all having served as mayors of Dawlish over several decades, wish to bring the following proposal forward for your consideration.

We ask that TDC, as freehold owner of the Lawn, agrees to put in place a "condition" based upon the following suggestion, with which any future proposals effecting the Lawn must comply.

 

"Any proposal to develop The Lawn, whether by the freeholder, leaseholder or any other group or organisation , must first be put before the residents of the Parish for consultation in a timely manner and before any planning application is submitted or approval sought.  Any such proposal to be widely advertised in the local press, on the web and in Dawlish Town Council's own publication THE TOWN CRIER".

 

We ask that such a condition be put in place as a matter of urgency to avoid future controversy of the sort which was recently been triggered by the attempt of DTC to obtain permission for the erection of a pavilion on the Lawn prior to public consultation.

 

 

 

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Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
15 Sep 2014 17:29

See what I mean?  Yet more lies from the NIMBY brigade. 

Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
15 Sep 2014 17:33

@Judith Chalmers

 

Please can you explain your last post

 

Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
15 Sep 2014 17:44

Erm, the last paragraph is an utter fabrication. Whoever you are. 

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Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
15 Sep 2014 18:26

Which came first the consultation or the planning application and who is/are the NIMBY brigade that you are referring to

 

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Nanny taxi
Nanny taxi
15 Sep 2014 20:25

 

Can we not pick at each other it is not productive and not helpful.  We have some very good Councillors and they are willing to listen and help and are quite vocal when it comes to dealing with Teignbridge and putting Dawlish Resident's views acrosss.  However, if we do not like what people suggest in relation to the new replacement bandstand then we need to at least offer an alternative for the Councillors to take to the community and gain a response as to what the majority would like.

I also think the people of Dawlish need to be given more say in regards to what eventually replaces the bandstand as we are the ones who go into town and have to look at it all year around. Granted the current bandstand is a bit small and therefore cannot be adapted so well, so a new one is the only way forward.  Glasgow were in the same position with their 1920s building which fell into disrepairn and has recently been restored.  The design or something similar could fit well in with the lawn at Dawlish and due to the width of the building it would take a community area behind.  It is an old building, but has a classic/modern feel and whereas in Glasgow the restoration cost a small fortune a new build in Dawlish would cost a fraction on that.

 

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All we hope is that we get something that is worthy of our town and the monies are not wasted on something we will all live to regret and that we don't want like i.e. the awful building that was proposed which would ruin not enhance the Victorian Town we care about. So why don't people find suitable bandstand buildings they like the look of and post them on here and maybe Cllr Clayson could save them for when the council gets an architect in to start a new design and at least they might have some idea of where to start.  

 

 

Kelvingrove bandstand

 

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Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
15 Sep 2014 20:55

Erm, the photos you've posted that show a public entertainment space greater than 3 square feet; well that wouldn't please the NIMBY brigade would it?  Thanks anyway. 

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Dorian
Dorian
15 Sep 2014 21:07

No, it's a monstrosity!

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Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
15 Sep 2014 21:18

I like the design of the Glasgow Band stand. It would be well suited. I wonder if the present Mayor would be prepared to sign his name to the latest comment signed by all the previous Mayors.   Reading between the lines of several posts in this and other discussions I am also wondering ....... exactly what is Sustrans up to and who with?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
15 Sep 2014 21:19

That's a joke right?  Please tell me no-one would be fool enough to think that would be appropriate for the Lawn.

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Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
Beezlebub2000-Flitflot
15 Sep 2014 21:23

The bandstand structure yes, but not the arena.  

 

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Mcjrpc
Mcjrpc
15 Sep 2014 21:32

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Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
15 Sep 2014 22:09

@Likeablerat, correction, I was not at the forefront of objectors but I am proud to say I was at the forefront of ensuring the people of Dawlish were aware of what was being proposed for the development of the lawn, and for that I make no apologies. My interference, which has angered some councillors, ensured that the public consultation took place at the end of June instead of the end of May. This gave time for people to really find out what was being proposed and the possible impact of the developments. 

 

The only alternative option available for people to comment on in the consultation was a Victorian style bandstand. Moving forward, a wider variety of design options should be considered, but at the end of the day it is the people of Dawlish who should choose the replacement, not Councillors. 

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Judith Chalmers
Judith Chalmers
16 Sep 2014 07:00

More options would dilute the result of any survey even further. There would never be a result where more than 50% preferred one option - and this ridiculous notion that there has be at least 50% in a race containing more than two horses is the one thing that you and your mob cling to as being the determinator of victory or defeat. 

 

PS we elect councillors etc to make decisions on our behalf. If YOU are incapable of making decisions then YOU shouldn't be a councillor. 

 

PPS it would seem that Kaz and Beelzebub want us to have a larger version of the current carbuncle! What imagination!

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
16 Sep 2014 08:43

I don't have a mob, unless of course you are referring to my fellow Councillors. 

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