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Lynne
Lynne
12 Jan 2018 18:03

Not an unrelated topic to that of plastic.

 

Just thought I'd post a few things that I've recently read about UK food consumption and UK food production.

1. Since 1984 UK self sufficiency in indigenous foods has fallen from 96% to 76%

2. Imports of non-indigenous foods have grown so much that half of what is eaten in the UK now comes from abroad.

3. The UK food deficit rose by £800m in the three months to July 2017 to a record £22.4 bn for the year.         

majorp
majorp
12 Jan 2018 22:32

And I wonder what happens to a lot of that imported food. Is it wasted because it has gone past it's sell by date after it was purchased by a consumer or is it never sold and had to be thrown away before it reached the shelf in the shop and who pay's for that wastage? The mind boggles.

Diana Mond
Diana Mond
13 Jan 2018 08:03

The topics about food, plastic and M&S are all connected by one common denominator - cost. 

 

People expect to pay next to nothing for food and therefore they get what they deserve. Poorer quality food, excessive packaging and imported indigenous foodstuff. 

 

There’s more than enough farmland in Britain for us to be self-sufficient for generations to come, sadly too many people either won’t or can’t pay the prices that farmers want/need to charge. Milk is a prime example - only a few retailers such as Waitrose pay a decent rate to British farmers. 

majorp
majorp
13 Jan 2018 08:41

As usual Diana Mond comes in with only part of a problem. Why are there potato quotas and milk quotas?

In seems to me that we are caught between a rock and a hard place.

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Diana Mond
Diana Mond
13 Jan 2018 08:49

Please stop being so aggressive.

 

Potato and milk quotas have already been covered in a previous thread. 

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Lynne
Lynne
13 Jan 2018 09:07

Okay - so......is there any food produce in the UK that is PRESENTLY subject to quotas? 

If there are, please post on this thread what they are and give the source(s) of your information.    

 

And here's something else I'll throw into the mix. If the pound falls in value then the price of imports increases. And as we import an awful lot of food I can

only assume that the price of all this imported food will be passed onto the consumer - that's you and me.      

Lynne
Lynne
13 Jan 2018 10:05

and here's some info on UK food waste 

 

1.     six. of the 8 billion meals served each year. On average 21% of food waste arises from spoilage; 45 The amount of food that is wasted each year in the UK is equivalent to 1.3 billion meals, or one in %. from food preparation and 34% from consumer plates.

Estimates of Food and Packaging Waste in the UK Grocery ...

www.wrap.org.uk/content/uk-handy-facts-and-figures-retail-sector


 

2.    UK throwing away £13bn of food each year, latest figures ...

www.theguardian.com › Environment › Food waste

That meant the average UK household wasted £470 worth of food, which went in the bin when it could have been eaten. The avoidable food waste generated 19m tonnes of greenhouse gases over its lifetime – and preventing that pollution would be equivalent to taking one in four cars off UK roads, Wrap said.

3.    UK tops chart of EU food waste | World news | The Guardian

www.theguardian.com › World › Europe

It reported that an estimated 89m tonnes of food are wasted every year in the EU, which is expected to rise to around 126m tonnes by 2020 if no action is taken, with significant costs to the environment, economy and society.

4.    How the UK's household food waste problem is getting worse ...

www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › UK Politics

Statistics from the Waste and Resources Action Programme (WRAP) show household food waste in the UK increased 4.4 per cent between 2012 and 2015, despite a target to cut household waste 5 per cent by 2015. That brings the amount of food sent to landfill in 2015 to 7.3 million tonnes, costing UK …

5.    How much food is wasted in the UK? 7.3 million tons thrown ...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/751977/how-much-food-is-wasted...

Watch video · The total food wasted In 2015 weighed 7.3 million tons. Now campaigners say if that wastage could be prevented it would be the equivalent environmental benefit of ...

6.    Why Save Food | Love Food Hate Waste

https://www.lovefoodhatewaste.com/why-save-food

Why Save Food. Your food does its job best when it's on a plate ready to be enjoyed. ... With your help, we can turn the tide on food waste in the UK. Read More.

7.    Food waste in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_waste_in_the_United_Kingdom

Food waste puts a large burden on the finances of each household and local councils in the UK; wasted food is estimated to cost each British household £250–£400 per year, accumulating to £15,000–£24,000 over a lifetime. This comes from the total purchasing cost of the food …

o    History ·

o    Sources ·

o    Impact ·

o    Response

8.    Food waste: Britons are worst offenders in Europe | The ...

www.theweek.co.uk/.../food-waste-britons-are-worst-offenders-in-europe

Food waste around the world. As much as half of all food ... A recent study by the UK's Institution of Mechanical ... Food waste: Britons are worst offenders in Europe;

9.    UK Handy Waste Facts and Figures | WRAP UK

www.wrap.org.uk/content/uk-handy-waste-facts-and-figures-retail-sector

Handy facts and figures on food surplus and waste in the UK. This includes data on post-farm-gate food surplus and waste from ... and food service waste in the UK.

10.                      Food waste | Food Standards Agency

https://www.food.gov.uk/news-updates/campaigns/food-waste

In the UK, we throw away 7 million tonnes of food and drink from our homes every year. Small changes will make a big difference, ... Food waste is a global issue.

 

burneside
burneside
13 Jan 2018 12:19

@Lynne

If the falling value of the pound causes some food prices to increase, buy British instead. 

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majorp
majorp
13 Jan 2018 12:27

I don't think there are any quotas left that apply to uk farmers at the moment. There are still import tarrif quotas which the brexit negotiators are still grapplying with. That indirectly affects uk farmers.

Farmers are desperately worried about dropping quotas, it did provide some sort of stability, but it still left many farmers struggling and many have since given up. The biggest loosers (So I am told ) are tenant farmers who have to pay a rent to someone before the can look at a profit. As many farms are owned by the likes of Devon County Council, you can see what could be on the horizon.

There are many parcels of land up and down the country that are either owned or contracted out to the big super markets, they can control food prices to some extent to their advantage. I have seen potato crops turned into pig feed, carrots, parsnips and cauliflowers turn in, just to keep a shortage on production. The ministry of food used to pay farmers to destroy crops, now the supermarkets do it for their own benefit.

It is a massive problem and I don't think there is a solution to it. There might be short term solutions but they don't last.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32136218

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leatash
leatash
13 Jan 2018 12:30

I dont understand food waste i waste nothing i make a list of meals breakfast lunch and dinner for seven days i do this every Sunday and i buy whats on the list and every scrap is used. A chicken will be used for roast one day the meat stripped chicken risotto the next day then a chicken and veg soup on day three the only thing left bones. Bread any left thats going to waste freeze it and use it for bread and butter pudding at a later date. A lot of waste is due to portion size reduce the amount on the plate you should be comfortable when you leave the table not stuffed. When i was a kid if i left food on my plate i would get it for the next meal my parents wasted nothing and i learnt simple lessons you dont finish dinner you dont get a pudding and when tea time came round you had to finish what you left at dinner. At School the dinner lady asked you what you wanted if you didnt eat it you would have to sit at the table untill every scrap was eaten and you were told in no uncertain terms your eyes are bigger than your belly now eat it, so you soon learnt there was always a second helping and you didnt have to pile up your plate.

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Lynne
Lynne
13 Jan 2018 13:31

@burneside - that presupposes there will be enough British produce to meet demand.  

Lynne
Lynne
14 Jan 2018 18:48

and as a huge % (I've read 80%) of our imported food comes in from the EU any post Brexit delays at customs will have a further impact on our post Brexit food supply. 

 

I wonder how happy the electorate will be if rising prices and food shortages are brought by Brexit.    

leatash
leatash
14 Jan 2018 19:41

Lynne we never had all this food when i was a kid and we ate our fill every day we will have to change our attitude to food and you will have to do without the odd ingredient it wont kill you life will go on and folk will get used to it, but of course little will change the Spanish will still sell us oranges and do we need French cheese and wine not really cant stand the stuff.  All you need is the basics you will have to bake more and eat things that are in season British farmers are the best in the world and they will step up to the plate and give us plenty of seasonal veg and good riddance to the EU.

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Lynne
Lynne
14 Jan 2018 20:23

You may never have had all this food when you were a kid  but plenty of (younger) others have!

You may not like french cheese and wine (and Italian and Spanish as well) a but plenty of (younger) others do!  

And we can only hope that all those oranges don't go 'off' whilst waiting in lorries for customs clearance. 

And no matter how good British farmers are they cannot provide this country with all the food that it needs.     

 



 
 

 
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leatash
leatash
14 Jan 2018 22:16

Lynne i agree british farmers cant supply us with all the fancy food we now have but they can supply more of what they used to produce why do we need strawberries,tomatoes,lettuce,cucumber,etc 12 months of the year, we should be eating what is in season and for one i hope it goes back to that.  But as you well know Lynne very little will change after brexit and all this might and that might is just pie in the sky i dont know you dont know i dont think the Prime minister knows what post brexit will look like but one thing is certain whatever it is we will have to live with it and get used to it.  

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leatash
leatash
14 Jan 2018 22:43

Lynne everything is wheels within wheels for arguments sake VW sold approx 221,000 cars in the UK last year do you honestly believe they would lose those sales over a bag of spuds they have more to lose than us and there are plenty of great Japanese cars out there and those figures dont include Audi and Skoda sales also part of the VW group.

Lynne
Lynne
15 Jan 2018 07:12

We may not need those fresh food stuffs 12 months a year but it's what we are now used to having.  Indeed many in this country have never known any different.

Unlike food, cars don't go 'off' whilst waiting for customs clearance.       

 

Lynne
Lynne
15 Jan 2018 07:31

If lorries at Customs are piled up at Dover

Then food trucks at Calais can't travel over

 

(approx 80% of our imported food comes from the EU)

leatash
leatash
15 Jan 2018 08:33

But you dont know what customs will be Lynne nobody does all you want is to stay in the EU well sorry but the people voted LEAVE so get over it the decision is made.

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Lynne
Lynne
15 Jan 2018 08:54

Well, as I see it, we either stay with the customs situation that we presently have with(in) the EU or we don't, and if we don't the above could easily be the result.  

All I'm doing is pointing out possible outcomes from the referendum result.   

   

leatash
leatash
15 Jan 2018 16:46

The thing is when we are out we can then make our own rules and we can make it as easy or as hard as we want how i see it little will change.

Lynne
Lynne
15 Jan 2018 17:04

 Well, if we make our own rules such that little changes, what is the point in coming out?  To control immigration? The only way we can do that as far as I can tell is by going for a 'hard' brexit.

Lynne
Lynne
15 Jan 2018 17:38

A rough guide;

Hard Brexit (amongst other things)  = UK leaves EU customs union and its full access to the single market. Which would mean a significant increase in bureaucratic checks on goods passing through ports and airports. Tariffs. Delays.
 

 

Soft Brexit (amongst other things) = UK stays in EU customs union . Which means that goods would not be subject to hold ups at ports and airports. Goods and services would continue to be traded with the remaining EU countries on a tariff free basis.        

leatash
leatash
15 Jan 2018 17:42

No free movement for one and for me thats the only reason i voted to leave. Anyway of on my travels to the snowy north tonight so will have to leave you all to it.

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Lynne
Lynne
15 Jan 2018 17:56

So if you want free movement to the UK to cease then logically you would support a hard Brexit. 

Have you started to food hoard yet for when the hard Brexit food shortage/increased cost of food hits these shores?

 

Enjoy the snow.   

      

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leatash
leatash
15 Jan 2018 19:59

Lynne it will not make one jot of difference to me as i eat simple food just as my mother and father did 70 years ago tonight british wild rabbit,, british cabbage, british sweed and carrots,and british potatoes and a nice baked apple from Ashcombe with custard made with local eggs. I dont buy foreign rubbish why would i when there is great british in season food at great prices available and i have eaten this way all my life.  I dont drink smoke i am the same weight i was at 20 and have seen a doctor four times since 1985 healthy food healthy living buy BRITISH. And while i am away i will stock up on bacon home cured in Borrowdale from a farm that has cured bacon the same way for a 100 years and its cheaper than supermarket bacon.  Keswick market on Saturday a few pounds of Cumberland sausage with real pig intestine again cheaper than a supermarket and its proper food with no additives all British and may i add similar products available here locally good british grub.

Diana Mond
Diana Mond
15 Jan 2018 22:36

Have you got some examples of what you call “foreign rubbish”? I’m sure I can show you 10 examples of great foreign food for every 1 of yours. No wonder the French look at your type and unfairly tar us all as “Les Rosbif!”. Of course there is loads of great British food and cuisine, particularly here in the West Country, but to call all food from elsewhere “rubbish” is ridiculous!

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jools88
jools88
15 Jan 2018 22:55
tais-toi
Diana Mond
Diana Mond
16 Jan 2018 06:54

Thanks for that meaningful contribution “Jools”. That said, if you have to use Google Translate for such a simple phrase, then I doubt you’d know much about French culture/cuisine. 

Lynne
Lynne
16 Jan 2018 07:29

If the demand for British produce increases then the cost of it will also increase.

The economic law of supply and demand will see to that. 

 

And on that subject, I've just had a thought (as I do on the odd occasion or so laugh ), if overseas food stuffs get more expensive and a consequent demand for home grown produce leads to an increase in their prices as well, then perhaps we'll have rationing introduced just like there was back in WWII.

 

I feel a satirical skit coming on.

 

 

 

      

  

majorp
majorp
16 Jan 2018 08:53

More allotments would help in many ways

Lynne
Lynne
16 Jan 2018 09:19

And how about more orangeries and hot houses or whatever it is that would be needed so that we can grow our own oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruits, melons, avocados, bananas and the like.     
 

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
16 Jan 2018 10:17

Well if they bring rationing back at least it would solve the obesity problem! 

 

Leatash’s post on 13 January at 12.30 reminded me of an incident during my first week at school. One day suet beef pudding was served, I told the dinner lady I didn’t like it and I didn’t want any but she said I had to have protein and put a huge chunk of it on my plate. As it was on my plate the dinner ladies said I had to eat it, I did try to explain that I didn’t like it but they insisted I eat it. Eventually, because the bell had rung and everyone was going into class I ate it. I then went back to my class, sat round the hexagonal table with a few other children and promptly vomited all over their exercise books! I have some sort of allergy to suet and it’s makes me vomit! The teacher then slapped my legs hard for vomiting over the exercise books! Mind you, that dinner lady never did force me to eat something I didn’t’t like again! 

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