General Discussion

New Play Park - Part 2

People

Hinotekmachines
jc
Pamhamill57
Websitebuilderprofessional
son of robin
Summerhousedetoxcenter
Valentinesdayideass
majorp
Julie May
Scapegoat
560
32
ZIGGY
ZIGGY
28 Jul 2017 15:15
Lynne
Lynne
28 Jul 2017 15:24

and here are the minutes of the full council meeting held on 6th July last year when the play park issue was debated and voted on

http://www.dawlish.gov.uk/edit/uploads/2092_577481209.pdf

and these minutes (see below) of the full council meeting held 14th July last year have more info (including why the playpark couldn't be built on the site of the piazza - it would cost too much).

http://www.dawlish.gov.uk/edit/uploads/2094_770358022.pdf

 

and more minutes here from the full council meeting held 7th September 2017. There is a bit at the beginning from a member of the public but then scroll down to item 67 for the minute on the playpark

http://www.dawlish.gov.uk/edit/uploads/2106_920823159.pdf

 

1 Agree
Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
28 Jul 2017 22:06

We need a referendum! Similar to the Manor House. 

1 Agree
JD2017
JD2017
28 Jul 2017 22:08

Do we need a referendum for every decision that elected councillors make? I thought those referendums were called elections?

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
28 Jul 2017 22:26

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but on such an important decision that will change the character of Dawlish for ever I think a referendum is needed. 

1 Agree
leatash
leatash
28 Jul 2017 22:28

The point is the people voted and for Dawlish 570+ votes is not bad, about the same as the vote for work on the Strand what the low number of votes says to me is the people of Dawlish dont give a monkeys whether it goes there or not and lets be honest only a handfull of folk are interested one way or the other.

leatash
leatash
28 Jul 2017 22:41

Population about 15,600 give or take 600 so if thats the case about 3.7% of the population found the time or had interest in the new playpark and a referendum came about we would have the same result because nobody cares.

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
28 Jul 2017 23:31

Dawlish Town Coucillors changed the character of Dawlish Warren for ever in 2001 with the demolishion of the quaint individual retail huts replaced by the huge concrete monstrosity we have today! Do not allow them to destroy Dawlish simply because they are councillors!! Remember, they have no qualifications for the job and are there to do what we want! 

2 Agrees
Lynne
Lynne
29 Jul 2017 08:21

I have no strong feelings either way on this matter so when I say what I say below I am not saying it necessarily because I am on the 'we want a playpark on the lawn' team.

 

A referendum was held. People had the choice to vote or not. Of those that voted the majority chose to have a playpark on a certain part of the lawn.

 

The people have spoken.

 

Some people don't like the outcome - so they are urging that the result be ignored or that a second referendum be held.

Sound familiar?

 

(and before anyone tells me - yes, I know, there was no option on the consultation/referendum paper for there to be no playpark at all, anywhere, on the lawn).  

 

Perhaps the first question should have been;

Should there be a playpark on the lawn?

Yes

or

No 

 

Can someone tell me why that question was not asked?

Who devised the questions? An independent body or were any of those lobbying for the playpark to be built (and specifically to be built somewhere on the lawn) involved?

 

 

And does anyone know what was decided at the last F&GP meeting concerning the funding of this proposed playpark?

 

 

 

Lynne
Lynne
29 Jul 2017 08:30

For those who are unhappy with what is being proposed you might find some recourse by way of a Parish Poll. I believe this is what was instigated when the saga of the proposed selling off of the Manor House was on the cards back in 2009/10.

 

To find out more, just type in Parish Poll and hit the search button.

Then it's over to you what you do (or not).   

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
30 Jul 2017 16:00

Anyone know how to intiate a parish poll. If the only way to put a stop to the nonsense of the play park on the Lawn is to start this process I would like to know what is involved and how it can be initiated. It certainly worked on the issue of the Manor House !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have checked on the internet and am no wiser.

 

http://www.dawlishnewspapers.co.uk/article.cfm?id=50&headline=Manor%E2%80%99s%20aborted%20move%20%E2%80%98leaves%20town%20with%20%C2%A3250k%20debt%E2%80%99&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2011

Lynne
Lynne
30 Jul 2017 16:55

I see two faces in the picture shown in that link of people who are presently councillors.

Recently elected Cllr Mawhood and elected wef 2011 (I think) Cllr Terry Lowther.

Try them? 

I have no idea where either of them stand on the playpark issue. 

 

Or you could try the National Association of Local Councils http://www.nalc.gov.uk/contact-us 

 

 

Lynne
Lynne
30 Jul 2017 17:10

and below are the councillors who sit on the town council's Finance and General Purposes committee. F&GP met about 10 days ago to discuss, amongst other things, 

possible funding streams for the the building of the playpark. I have no idea which of the councillors below attended the meeting but if anyone reading this post wants

to know the outcome of the committee's deliberations then dropping one of them an email (Cllr Clemens perhaps?) and asking might be a course of action?

 

Cllr Humphrey Clemens (Chairman)
Cllr Terry Lowther (Vice Chairman)
Cllr Howard Almond
Cllr Angela Fenne
Cllr Greg Fenne
Cllr Graham Price
Cllr Gary Taylor
leatash
leatash
31 Jul 2017 08:34

What i would like to know is how many Dawlish residents use the lawn on a regular basis now i have been here 33 years and have spent no more than 1 or 2 hours on the Lawn yes it's a nice green space and visitors love it, and it's used for a few events but most of the time it's just there empty and green.  It strikes me that these days folk are not happy with any result that involves a vote Brexit, General Election, The Strand, The Playpark and want to rerun the system over and over untill they get the result they want as Lynne says you had your chance now that chance has gone. So stop winging and live with it and stop trying to change what the people voted for it matters not if there were 2 votes or 10,000 votes thats the system and the majority voted for a play   park so give the people what they want. I look out on the Lawns every day and yes it's nice but i don't give a jot if we have a play park or not what i care about is folk manipulating the system because they dont like the result it's becoming a national pastime to try to overturn the will of the people the system is the system like it or loath it sort of works.

2 Agrees
DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
31 Jul 2017 09:00

@leatash - you seem to be missing the point that not one question asked if anyone wanted a play park on the lawn.

 

I am in favour of true democracy, but the basis for this play park is on a one sided set of questions that did not let those who took part answer that they did NOT want it. I and several others who DID take part catagorically put in the comments section of several questions that I did NOT want a play park on The Lawn. The comments to these questions do not seem to be available or used.

Your whole argument is based on the twisted and warped results that would only end in a result of WHERE on The Lawn it would be sited. You may have lived here for 33 years, but I feel sad for you that you have not enjoyed The Lawn and its idylic features, obviously minus the D.D&D.C.

Also I do not think that you are in any position to quantify the use of The Lawn by others, if reading your commnets correctly, you have only spent at most a couple of hours on The Lawn in the last 33 years. I feel there is a difference between looking out of a window and actually immersing yourself in The Lawn environment.

'folk manipulating the system' I think that's a bit rich. You obviously do not understand what democracy and fair/balanced questionnaire's are!

I respect your opinion, but find it hard to belive that you cannot see the wood for the trees.

 

2 Agrees
leatash
leatash
31 Jul 2017 11:07

Idylic features?  The Lake District has idylic features, as do the Highlands of Scotland, Dartmoor and the South West Coastal Path, but the Lawns, that's stretching things just a bit.  Then there's the Lawn environment it's an area of grass, its not even well maintained.  Now 30 years ago it was a sight to behold, well maintained wonderful flower beds, with a team of gardeners who took pride in their work,  but then Dawlish was a thriving busy town with a well maintained clean town centre.  Dawlish was the jewel of the South Devon Coast and now it's a sad little place, dirty and poorly maintained and it needs dragging into the 21st century ASAP.  I have always kept a diary, silly really, but looking back 30 years, today I was having a new kitchen fitted and went out for breakfast to the Strand Cafe at 0940 and had to queue outside for 25 minutes and every cafe was the same.  Now fast forward to 31/07/2017 1039am there's no one about and its only going to get worse unless we start giving the holiday makers what they want!

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
31 Jul 2017 15:15

@leatash ... not based on a questionnaire that only asked where on the lawn and not, do you want a play park on the lawn?

It is not Dawlish councils right to put out a questionnaire that does not allow the people of Dawlish a fair and balanced set of questions for the issue of this play park.

5 Agrees
leatash
leatash
31 Jul 2017 17:13

And this is why Dawlish is as it is the place is full of nimby's does it matter, not one jot everything that is proposed for this town is wrong and that's ok if you want to live in a dying town and it is dying every year it attracts less and less people.  New shops open last two seasons and close this town revolves round six weeks of summer hollidays and on the 6/09/2017 it will all be over for another year out of interest DEEDOODLE did you vote or fill in the questionnaire i know i did. 

Lynne
Lynne
31 Jul 2017 18:26

Never mind Leatash - when we leave the EU all those Brits who have been going to southern Europe for their hols can holiday in the UK instead.

 

JD2017
JD2017
31 Jul 2017 20:51

Those who didn't want a play park anywhere on the lawn had the option to select "No" against each of the questions. The results were overwhelmingly in favour so, using a phrase that I believe to be favoured by Brexity Rollers, "Get over it".

 

 

leatash
leatash
31 Jul 2017 21:01

I dont expect  folk will but i believe that there is a lot to be gained visiting the wilds of the UK I was in Orkney last year weather was ok but Skara brae the Italian Chapel and Churchill Barriers were amazing and the bonus Trout and Salmon fishing was free.

leatash
leatash
31 Jul 2017 22:06

17072409p

leatash
leatash
31 Jul 2017 22:07

Now thats idylic and it's a world heritage site here in the UK glorious weather pic taken this morning from the shores of Buttermere.

1 Agree
Lynne
Lynne
31 Jul 2017 22:16

Blimey! It isn't raining! 

Was that picture photo-shopped?

leatash
leatash
31 Jul 2017 23:28

No photo shop Lynne just as it was but whatever the weather it's always stunning.

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
01 Aug 2017 09:40

@JD2017 -you are incorrect in your statement that placing no against the questrions would mean that you did not want a play park on the lawn. it merely stated that you did not want it in the specified locations on the lawn. again, as i seem to be repeating myself for some reason...the questionaire did not ask the most specific question that was...do you want a play park on 'the lawn'?

In my opinion for this ADDITIONAL play park to go ahead the residents of DAWLISH need to be given the opportunity to say YES/NO to whether they wish a play park on The Lawn.

@Leatesh - if we let the Dawlish council railroad through every hair brained project that pops into their head we would have a play park and a barnacle bandstand on The Lawn. What next a creche for the D.D&D.C..cynical maybe...just leave The Lawn alone and use the play park near the manor house. Also if you had read my previous statements you would already know the answer to your inquiry at  31 july 2017 18:26

2 Agrees
Lynne
Lynne
01 Aug 2017 11:20

So.......does anyone know why there was no question on the paper asking if people wished there to be a playpark on the lawn?

 

Someone, somewhere must know the answer to that.

 

I'll tell you who I think would know. All those who were councillors last year when this was being discussed first at Civic Amenities Committee (CAC) and then at full

council.

But do I think any of them will break ranks and say why?

 

Hmmmm............

 

BTW - Has anyone contacted the Chair of FG&P yet (Cllr Clemens) asking what the outcome was about the funding of the proposed playpark?

Here's his email address: humphreyclem@aol.com 

leatash
leatash
01 Aug 2017 13:38

The point is no one cares only a few hundred people voted that shows the level of interest in the subject and a further vote would be the same nobody gives a monkeys apart from maybe 1 or 2 folk.

TheObserver
TheObserver
03 Aug 2017 14:02

Playpark is great, but let's make the most of what Dawlish has, why waste money, time and beautiful land over something that like the rest of Dawlish, will go rot and ruin. Let's face it, the Museum needs help, the brook is filfthy and unattractive now, the toliets at boatcove are shabby chic now, the manor is full of needles, the strand looks filthy and the once cream slabs are now looking a darker shade of brown, the manor play park that was once a height of a childs imagination now has gone down hill and is tired and unattractive. The bowling club is old and looks ready to collpase in the roof, perhaps a new multistorey with viewing platforms would be nice. The bandstand, if they are never going to rebuild it, could atleast do with some TLC. Let's spend money where we have things, make the most of them. 

2 Agrees
Lynne
Lynne
04 Aug 2017 11:01

I understand that the area designated for the playpark is the whole area between the bandstand and the bowling green.

Does anyone know what was decided about funding at the last F&GP meeting? 

Duckileaks
Duckileaks
04 Aug 2017 11:56

I heard that the vote was in favour of the play park, but don't know more than that.

It was 4 -3 in favour.  Those in favour were Cllrs Clemens, both Fennes and one other that I can't remember.  Against were Cllrs Wrigley, Lowther & Almond I believe

TheObserver
TheObserver
04 Aug 2017 13:37

I just don't understand the whole point to be frank in a playpark, when we can't look after what we already have. 

3 Agrees
Comment Please sign in or sign up to post