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County Council elections - Thursday 4th May - postal votes

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From The Grave
Petersmith60
Indy Scot
First Sea Lord
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BigBlind
Ritakirkham
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Joey
Championo
Lynne
Lynne
05 Mar 2017 08:38

On Thursday 4th May Dawlish voters will have the opportunity to elect one councillor to represent Dawlish on Devon County Council.  

There are many reasons why those who may wish to vote may not be able to do so in person (infirmity, on holiday, work commitments etc) in which case they can vote by post.

Details of how to do so can be found here  https://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/votebypost

 

 

Lynne
Lynne
05 Apr 2017 17:18

And now the candidates have been announced. One councillor representing Dawlish to be elected. 

Click on this link and then scroll down to see who the Dawlish candidates are. There are four. One each for: Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and UKIP 

https://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=48535&p=0

Lynne
Lynne
13 Apr 2017 16:40

Understand that Churches Together in Dawlish & District are hoping to arrange a hustings for the candidates on the evening of Friday 28th April at the Strand Church, Dawlish

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
17 Apr 2017 08:37

Should be a very interesting get together, Lynne. That's if they can get all of the candidates in the same room at the same time...

Lynne
Lynne
17 Apr 2017 10:04

Am I reading more into your post than I should?

Or is there a very real problem about getting them together?

And if the latter, do tell, and stop being a tease.  

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Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
17 Apr 2017 12:17

I cannot speak on the availability or willingness to attend on behalf of the UKIP or Labour candidates, but as far as the incumbent Conservative contender is concerned, I understand there has been such umbrage taken on campaign issues such as bus schedules and school funding (where Dawlish schools would lose £33 per pupil under Devon County Council proposals) it is reported he will not attend future town council meetings chaired by his main Liberal Democrat opponent.

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monty
monty
17 Apr 2017 14:00

I am amazed that anyone voted for him. I will say no more.

 

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Lynne
Lynne
19 Apr 2017 16:32

There is a post on Eyes of Dawlish advertising the hustings so it looks as though it is going ahead.

Starts 7.00pm . The Strand Centre. Friday 28th April

 

For info: the County council is responsibile for: schools, education, libraries, trading standards, social services, social care (eg care homes, highways and some aspects of planning. Apologies if I have left anything out.

flo
flo
19 Apr 2017 18:07

I've had leaflets from everyone now except UKIP who addressed the leaflet to my husband only.  Speaks volumes.

Lynne
Lynne
22 Apr 2017 07:12

Two comments posted on Eyes of Dawlish:

 

With all the usual election leaflets flowing through our letterboxes, isn't it time we in Dawlish confronted the candidates about their record of actual actions concerning the problems people in the town are still facing, like:
The fence across Carhaix Way
The lack of a link road from the new housing estate to the Exeter Road
The building of a cycle path through Lanhern at great expense which most cyclists totally ignore.
The rat run through Elm Grove where the school is. Do we have to have a child fatality before the boffins in Teignbridge and County Hall act responsibly?

 

The state of the sewage system the idiocy of the cycle track at the Warren the fact that the pedestrian refuges have been taken away in a busy holiday area (accident waiting to happen) Elm Grove area to come out of Gatehouse Rise you take your life in your hands on that bend, we have also witnessed motorists driving on the pavements at school time, That's all for now.

 

Lynne
Lynne
22 Apr 2017 16:34

and some more from EoD

 

 Also question how they've spent a total of £400,000 doing up the Manor (including £90,000 to re Tarmac the car park with locking gates) which according to the title deeds (which I have copy of) is in fact illegal to be locking the public out! How they get away with it is beyond me.

Exactly! On what, exactly, are they spending all this extra council tax from all the new houses which have been and are still being built?

Lynne
Lynne
23 Apr 2017 06:22

and more again

 

"We need to have the promise of the candidates to fix Carhaix Way and the connection to the Saintsbury roundabout. The safety of our children is paramount."

"Carhaix way DOES NOT need fixing.
The link road to Sainsbury needs to be constructed instead."

 

"After reading that waste of paper the council put through our doors last week.I noticed there are 16 councillors in Dawlish. Can I ask what do they do, other than screw the council tax payers?"

 

"and all the charity shops.... the one Bank..... all the coffee shops..... estate agents..
I've lived here 28 years...... look at what Teignmouth is now like..... so much better"

 

"All great questions to ask current county councillor clatworthy who has spent all that money and is so 'in touch' with what the town needs he mixes up elm grove close and elm grove drive in his leaflets..."

ER113
ER113
24 Apr 2017 16:06

John Clatworthy says that the Tories have made "no reduction in the Education Budget". Correct. They have not.

But this is mis-information. All children receive a set amount to attend their school and it is this which pays for their education. It has not increased. But costs have increased: eg NI costs, pension costs, energy, books and materials, salaries and so on. Thus the budget now buys considerably less than before. Thus schools have less money! Impacts on each school will vary but only look at the National press to see that huge numbers of schools face huge cuts, job losses and major questions about the quality of education that they can provide. 

He only hints at the further cuts to the budgets of every school that in order to meet DCC's obligations all students are losing £33 from the amounts paid to schools to support their education. Yes the money goes to support the most vulnerable young people in the County. But that is because DCC did not ensure they had a budget to meet those needs in the past. 

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Indy Scot
Indy Scot
24 Apr 2017 16:28

If we return a Tory government to Westminster, it won't matter who replaces John Clatworthy. Their hands are tied because economic cuts will continue under the politics of austerity. The Lib Dems spent 5 years as the junior partner of an austerity coalition. That won't change. UKIP would not reverse austerity policies., Labour appears to be divided between austerity orientated Blairites and anti-austerity Corbynites.

 

In terms of County Council candidates for Dawlish and the General election, we think we have a choice, but we don't.

Politics is dictated by powerful trans-national interests. They call the shots.

Try looking up the 'Atlantic Bridge' and the role of Liam Fox, look into Bannon, etc.

Don't use google though.

Clatworthy's just a pawn, look at the bigger picture.

In any case the turnout in Dawlish for the last County Council election was 32% which is abismal.

Clearly most people in Dawlish like much of the UK do not believe that our political systems works for them.

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Lynne
Lynne
24 Apr 2017 18:12

Talking of the bigger picture and trans national interests

 

When Nigel Farage met Julian Assange

The Guardian - 1 day ago

On 9 March 2017, an ordinary Thursday morning, Ian Stubbings, a 35-year-old Londoner, was walking down the street near his office ...

·        

Is Farage acting as a human courier for Julian Assange? ...

Daily Mail - 1 day ago

Nigel Farage could be acting as a human courier passing secret communications to Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy, an ...

 

and this

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit

and this

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/arron-banks-interview-brexit-ukip-far-right-trump-putin-russia

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
25 Apr 2017 07:00

Makes the row on battle bus expenditure seem like peanuts, Lynne.

 

The cost of building databases, money poured into third-party campaigns, offshore spending – these were either largely or totally unregulated. There is no longer any way, with current legislation, of guaranteeing a free and fair election.

 

“Whatevs,” says Banks when I bring up the Electoral Commission. “I don’t give a monkey’s what the Electoral Commission says.”

 

How the candidates fare here in the county election on May 4th will have little to do with the vast sums that were poured into the Leave campaign's strategic pot for last year's referendum. But for the General Election on June 8th? That's a different matter.

 

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leatash
leatash
25 Apr 2017 08:13

Turnout at elections is always abismal i believe it's pure laziness and thats why we need legislation to make it compulsory to vote, at the last election i had a conversation that went like this. I see the bloody tories are back in, i ask did you vote yesterday, his reply well by the time i got in from work had tea watched Emmerdale and Corrie i couldnt be bothered.

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burneside
burneside
25 Apr 2017 10:40

If there is compulsory voting then there has to be a  "none of the above" option, but what if that receives the most votes?

Indy Scot
Indy Scot
25 Apr 2017 12:23

It tells you that the system is not popular and is opposed by the majority and therefore a new fairer system is necessary. What a lot of people now think about the state of our current 'democracy'.

 

But I do agree that a compulsory vote must have a 'none of the above' option and that it should be counted.

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
27 Apr 2017 08:47

Interesting information above from ER113.

 

The quote that there is "no reduction in the education budget" is taken directly from John Clatworthy's recent campaign leaflet. Meanwhile Martin Wrigley's leaflet tells us (as has been widely reported in the local press) that general classroom budgets are to be cut by £33 per child across schools in Devon, meaning a loss of £22044 in the case of Dawlish Community College.

 

Given that Devon schools are already £290 per child worse off against the national average, what would either candidate do to close the gap? How would the Labour or UKIP candidate address the problem if they were elected?

 

To hear first-hand responses to these and many other questions affecting Dawlish and the wider local community - tomorrow's hustings are not to be missed. Best get there early for a seat - or bring your own soapbox!

 

 

Lynne
Lynne
27 Apr 2017 09:12

The Dawlish Post at the end of March/early April gave the figures below for how each local to Dawlish school will be impacted (ie how much each school will lose) by way of Devon County Council proposals. Remember that the amount quoted below is on top of how much each school may lose due to the new fairer (ahem!) schools' funding scheme.

 

Cockwood Primary School - set to lose £3,135

Dawlish Community College - set to lose £22,044

Exminster Primary - set to lose £12,210

Gatehouse Academy - set to lose £12,111

Kenn Primary - set to lose £3,069

Kenton Primary - set to lose £3,267

Starcross Primary - set to lose £6,171

Westcliff Primary - set to lose £11,055

 

 

flo
flo
27 Apr 2017 10:08

DCC are making people redundant so there is an effect.  I'm taking Clatworthy's education claims with a pinch of salt considering the appalling grammar on the back page.

Lynne
Lynne
27 Apr 2017 10:34

@flo - Yes I know of someone who is being made redundant from DCC.

And I also noticed the appalling grammar in the leaflet.

(I wonder if whoever wrote it/proof read it went to a grammar school? wink  )

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
27 Apr 2017 16:21

Looks like Cllr Clatworthy could be going for the swing voter...

 

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Indy Scot
Indy Scot
27 Apr 2017 22:05

Photoshopping tactics? So, humiliation born of desparation. Pathetic, this exemplifies how low some on the council will stoop. What has this got to do with politics?

@Gary Taylor your post at 08:47 reads well and you present a coherent enough argument. So you can act like an adult.

So why resort to childish tactics? This speaks volumes about any credibility the Lib Dems might have.

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From The Grave
From The Grave
27 Apr 2017 22:39

It's remarkable that a career politician wannabe like Martin Wrigley would allow his cheerleader to stoop so low. Fake news has no place in local politics. 

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Lynne
Lynne
28 Apr 2017 06:52

7.00pm Friday 28th April,

The Strand Centre, The Strand,

County Council Election Hustings

 

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
28 Apr 2017 08:00

So is a Councillor not allowed a sense of humour?

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Dil
Dil
28 Apr 2017 09:04

Don't try and turn it in to humour now, an apology would have been more appropriate though a little too late. You are vindictive and display all the examples of the stench that is unfortunately often found in politics, never again will I vote libreral Democrats in this area and quite possibly any area come to that. 2 votes from this household to Mr Clatworthy

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
28 Apr 2017 09:10

It was Cllr Clatworthy's sense of humour I was referring to, Dil.

 

Lynne
Lynne
28 Apr 2017 09:15

Do you mean that Cllr Clatworthy actually wore that t-shirt at a council meeting?  

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
28 Apr 2017 09:22

It would seem that at yesterday's 'end-of-term' meeting at Devon County Council, John Clatworthy was presented with a Jeremy Corbyn tee-shirt by a Labour member who had noticed his tendency to quote the Labour leader approvingly in some of his speeches. 

 

That John chose to put on the tee-shirt shows him as a good sport - and I hope that whatever the outcome of the election he will take the result with better grace that has been expressed on his behalf by other senior members of his party during this campaign.

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Indy Scot
Indy Scot
28 Apr 2017 10:41

@Gary Taylor well surely if Cllr Clatworthy is a good sport as you wrote, then why wouldn't he take the outcome of the election with good grace?

 

You need to clarify which senior Conservative council members have lacked grace on Cllr Clatworthy's behalf. 

 

How on earth can you lack grace on behalf of another person? Shouldn't we take responsibility for our own actions@Gary Taylor?

 

Such tenuous links make the Lib Dems' credibility seem dubious.

 

Viaduct
Viaduct
28 Apr 2017 10:50

I have some catching up to do.

What has John Clatworthy done for Dawlish apart from being very, very instrumental into forcing Dawlish into having on-street parking meters. I also noticed he was voiciferous about putting down double Yellow lines somewhere in Priory Road, when all that needed to happen was the police to issue an obstruction notice (or better known to most as a fixed penalty) to the offending motorist/s and the problem would have been solved.

There is always something very sinister in placing DY lines everywhere. It forces more people to have to pay to park.

If people were to stop and think, or if people really knew the real reason for parking controls, they could see that there is no reason to have so many DY lines everywhere.

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Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
28 Apr 2017 11:14

Forgive me Indy Scot, but you seem to be both misquoting what I have expressed and tying yourself up in knots all at the same time - but for the record, my quote above of 17th April, 12:17 refers.

 

Since then of course the evidence of what was "reported" has come to light elsewhere on this site, as you well know.

 

 

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Indy Scot
Indy Scot
28 Apr 2017 11:23

@Gary Taylor that post on 1th april at 12:17 is about school funding and bus schedules. like viaduct's post above about parking they are legitimate concerns. 

 

What evidence? What has been reported? Please could you provide the link if it is on Dawlish.com. I have an idea what you mean... I could be wrong.

 

Are you stating that Cllr Clatworthy refuses to to attend DTC meetings because he has taken umbrage about the issues that Cllr Wrigley is campaigning on? So what he's a political opponent, it's hardly surprising. 

 

Will you shed any light on 'falsehoods' that went to print? Is that really why the council is in disarray? 

I refer to the link to a thread below posted by @Likeablerat, councillors emails have been leaked - Please see the second post on the thread.

 

https://www.dawlish.com/thread/details/45520

 

Where can the public view the document that contains the alleged 'falsehoods'? Is it still in the public domain.

 

What are your views on council emails being leaked? Isn't this a far more serious matter?

 

I'll be asking this question to DCC candidates tonight.

 

I asked why Cllrs Clatworthy and Wrigley have claimed they both resolved the Eastdon road flooding and as they're both campaigning for a Number 2 bus running every 20 minutes and ar opposed to the Elm Grove road 'rat run' prospeect - what sets them apart?

I asked who was telling the truth about Eastdon and who was making a false claim.

 

I only received a reply from Cllr Clatworthy.

 

 

 

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
28 Apr 2017 11:56

Cllr Wrigley is the only one campaigning for the return of the number 2 bus. Cllr Clatworthy, rather belatedly, says he supports the return of the number 2 bus - but that's just being a passenger to events.

 

Martin Wrigley has worked hard to deliver on many issues important to the town as a Dawlish Town Councillor. The results speak for themselves - and while he may have ruffled the feathers of some political opponents along the way, he has the drive and enthusiasm to carry on getting results for our communities in the more senior role he now also seeks.

 

As for the evidence you require, I do not wish to appear obtuse, but it is in plain sight on this website and you have been a regular recent poster to the thread concerned.

 

The idea you may have is therefore probably the right one. Alternatively, others may wish to point the way.

 

 

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Indy Scot
Indy Scot
28 Apr 2017 12:00

What issues and what results has Cllr Wrigley achieved?

 

I'd like facts and examples.

 

Are you therefore claiming that the 'falsehoods', that prevents a Devon County Councillor attending Dawlish Town Council meetings, are in fact in print on this very website?

If you are so certain then please divulge the evidence. Share the link.

 

Is there a document in the public domain or not?

 

You have substantiated nothing, you can see why some believe fake news is being peddled.

 

 

Indy Scot
Indy Scot
28 Apr 2017 12:13

@Gary Taylor, why evade my question about councillors emails being leaked?

 

Is this not a serious matter?

Should we turn a blind eye?

Have DTC and TDC done anything about this?

What if sensitive and private information becomes leaked in the future?

 

Shouldn't the authorities be contacted?

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
28 Apr 2017 12:18

Cllr Wrigley is the only one campaigning for the return of the number 2 bus. Cllr Clatworthy, rather belatedly, says he supports the return of the number 2 bus - but that's just being a passenger to events.

 

Martin Wrigley has worked hard to deliver on many issues important to the town as a Dawlish Town Councillor. The results speak for themselves - and while he may have ruffled the feathers of some political opponents along the way, he has the drive and enthusiasm to carry on getting results for our communities in the more senior role he now also seeks.

 

As for the evidence you require, I do not wish to appear obtuse, but it is in plain site on this website and you have been a regular recent poster to the thread concerned.

 

The idea you may have is therefore probably the right one. Alternatively, others may wish to point the way.

 

PS: Further to your more recent remarks on your last posting, I see you are now quoting from the thread concerned and have raised the matter of 'falsehoods'. Before I respond again to you is there any chance you will apologise for those falsehoods you have levelled against me above?

Indy Scot
Indy Scot
28 Apr 2017 12:24

I'm just seeking transparency regarding the 'falsehoods'. That is the thread concerned then.

You're on the defensive why? Which falsehoods levelled against you?

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
28 Apr 2017 12:30

Which falsehoods? Take your pick.

Indy Scot
Indy Scot
28 Apr 2017 12:35

No idea, a pick from what?

I've just asked questions. Someone leaked councillors emails didn't they? Nobody knows who.

 

Nobody really knows what anyone is referring to when 'falsehoods' are mentioned. It is natural that questions are asked, or aren't the plebs privy to the machinations of government?

 

As a councillor will you look into the email leaks? How did @Likeablerat come into posession of them.? This questions must be answered. Isn't that your duty as a Councillor? I only ask you here and now as I know of no other councillor on Dawlish.com.

But I have written to DCC, TDC and DTC about these leaks.

Lynne
Lynne
28 Apr 2017 14:29

See y'all this evening then?

flo
flo
28 Apr 2017 14:33

@Lynne.  'unfortunately' i'm pig racing tonight at the manor but look forward to hearing all about it!

Lynne
Lynne
28 Apr 2017 15:06

@flo - no doubt you will flo, no doubt you will . 

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
29 Apr 2017 07:34

As I saw it Lynne, honours were even on the point Cllr Clatworty seems to have got most aerated about recently (as it turns out, the question as to who was involved in the fix of the flooding in Cockwood) - but on public transport, the early delivery of the link road and the cuts to teaching school funding, Cllr Wrigley made all the running - including a pledge that a Lib Dem Devon County Council would reverse the planned £2 million cut to mainstream school funding.

 

Also warmly received was not only Cllr Wrigley's record on helping save Warren Farm from Compulsory Purchase - but also his support for the use of such powers to bring forward the land for the Gatehouse-to-Sainsbury's link road, should the landowner(s) not comply with the terms of the improved link road delivery agreement, which campaigning from Cllr Wrigley has helped bring about. 

 

The Labour candidate spoke well and aside from the main topics majored on Neighbourhood Planning and education - however the biggest cheer of the night (unfortunately) went to the UKIP contender. Not for his pretty weak stance on issues affecting Dawlish, but his position on the number of refugees from war-torn countries the Council should be taking. Nuff said.

Lynne
Lynne
29 Apr 2017 08:01

Until it was mentioned last evening I had completely forgotten about the closure of Daw Vale.

How long ago was that?

Last time I had any correspondence with any cllrs about  its future use I was told that it had been sold and that the plot would be redeveloped for housing.  Don't know what type of housing was being planned (houses/flats, open market/affordable/social).

But whatever was/is being planned nothing seems to have happened to date. 

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
29 Apr 2017 08:36

What has happened at this Westcliff Road site recently is the removal of a large number of mature trees. Whether or not the site has been sold by Devon County Council I am not sure, but it is saddening to see such wholesale destruction, without any planning application having been put before Dawlish Town Council. Perhaps DCC are clearing the site to make it easier for the purchaser to develop?

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