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Teignbridge District Council and Devon County Council - Brexit preparations

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Lynne
Lynne
17 Aug 2018 13:36

see article back page of this week's Dawlish Post.

(plus adjacent article concerning food and Brexit)

Lynne
Lynne
20 Aug 2018 15:54

I asked Devon County Council what Brexit impact assessments it has made thus far and from the assessments what, if any, contingency plans. This is part of the answer which I received today.

 

"To date, DCC has not conducted “impact assessments” as such as the form that Brexit will take has been very uncertain, so judging any impacts is currently very difficult. However, DCC is monitoring developments closely ahead and will consider what, if any, contingencies might be required ahead of the UK’s exit from the European Union in March 2019."   

 

I was also directed to this document dated January 2018 https://democracy.devon.gov.uk/documents/s13942/Brexit%20report.pdf

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DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
21 Aug 2018 11:10

You can bet your bottom dollar anything they may do. Will be to spend even less money on essential maintenance for which the ratepayer pays through the nose for......in my opinion.

Diana Mond
Diana Mond
23 Aug 2018 18:45

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burneside
burneside
23 Aug 2018 19:55

Because, of course, before we joined the EEC/EC/EU life in this country was just like that.

You're old enough to know better, Mrs C.

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Diana Mond
Diana Mond
23 Aug 2018 22:16

Our world has got way bigger since the days of the ration book. 

 

The people that the likes of you are appealing to really don’t understand the real implications of a no deal Brexit. 

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burneside
burneside
23 Aug 2018 22:26

Rationing ended in the 50s, we joined the EEC in 1973.  As usual you are not making any sense.

 

Diana Mond
Diana Mond
23 Aug 2018 22:37

As usual, like most of your kind,

you have a sense of humour failure. 

Lynne
Lynne
24 Aug 2018 06:29

I wonder if all those ex pat (British immigrant) retirees in the EU will have a sense of humour if their UK pensions cannot be paid into their EU bank accounts?  

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Lynne
Lynne
25 Aug 2018 07:37

Both TDC and DCC have been, and are, involved with the Heart of the South West's Brexit Resilience and Opportunities Group which is undertaking research into some of the potential issues and impacts of Brexit. I am told that this work is being undertaken in partnership with the Local Enterprise Partnership and other local councils across Devon, Somerset, Plymouth and Torbay.

Here's a link for that organisation should you wish to find out more.    

 

https://heartofswlep.co.uk/news/brexit-opportunities-resilience-group-update/

 

I have emailed them and asked the following question: "I would like to know what Brexit impact/risk assessments local authorities in the south west have undertaken and what subsequent contingency planning is being considered based on those impact/risk assessments."

I have received an acknowledgement of my request but am told that the person who should answer my question is presently on holiday.  Fair enough. So I'll chase them up in a week or two.

 

Lynne
Lynne
26 Aug 2018 06:57

This is Exeter City Council's take on Brexit.

 

Brexit and Exeter

The risks

Despite Exeter’s resilience and growth in recent years Brexit is a cause for concern.

Exeter has very strong ties with the EU market, with 70% of current exports heading to EU countries. Research suggests that as a result of Brexit, Exeter will be the most affected area in Devon & Somerset:

  • A ‘soft’ Brexit will result in a reduction of 1.2% in gross value added
  • A ‘hard’ Brexit a 2.4% reduction in gross value added.

 

From: https://exeter.gov.uk/business/business-support/brexit-and-exeter/

Lynne
Lynne
04 Sep 2018 08:59
leatash
leatash
04 Sep 2018 10:15

The question is are you prepared Lynne.

Lynne
Lynne
04 Sep 2018 10:28

Well, I am taking whatever measures I can that I think might be necessary in case of a catastrophic hard Brexit.

What preparations for Brexit others decide to do, or not, is entirely up to them. 

 

Food- a link here concerning Cornish food production. But I suspect similar stories can be found from around the whole of the UK

 

Brexit leaves Cornwall fruit farmers struggling to find pickers and fearing for future

Three out of five British growers of soft fruit and stone fruits (61%) are having trouble hiring seasonal workers from the EU and two thirds (63%) have reported a drop in applications for seasonal work. Four out of five (78%) expect to produce less fruit in future, while 32% have already decided to reduce investment in their businesses

 

 

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/brexit-leaves-cornwall-fruit-farmers-1942763  

 

leatash
leatash
04 Sep 2018 20:23

24 million slices of bread

235,000 whole chickens

1.4 million bananas

660,000 eggs

4.4 million apples

Half of all fresh potatoes purchased. 

So folk are worried about food shortages if we have a hard Brexit but the above is thrown in the bin every DAY maybe if food was a little tight we wouldnt waste as much.

Lynne
Lynne
04 Sep 2018 20:43

Ah! Got it now! Brexit is all about not wasting food!

PS Where did you get those statistics from? You haven't given your source. 

leatash
leatash
04 Sep 2018 21:05

You are the one who has on more than one occasion mentioned food shortages all i am saying is we waste huge amounts of food and if things did get tight we may learn not to waste as much.

leatash
leatash
04 Sep 2018 21:07

Food waste in England - Parliament (publications) - Parliament UK

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmenvfru/429/429.pdf
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Lynne
Lynne
04 Sep 2018 21:43

We import about 50% of our food and Brexit will mess up our food imports quite a chunk of which comes in from the EU.  

But we don't need Brexit to address the issue of food wastage.

Brexit may well bring us a food shortage.  You have to have the food in the first instance in order to waste it.

I wonder how Joe and Josephine public will react when they see the empty shelves in the supermarkets?

Do you think they will have any time for sermons on how not to waste food?   

 

And then of course there's the issue of medicines that we import from the EU...........    

leatash
leatash
06 Sep 2018 20:30

Operation Yellowhammer.

Lynne
Lynne
07 Sep 2018 06:34

Seeing as you've mentioned it.

 

Web results

Operation Yellowhammer: 'No-deal' Brexit plans leaked - Sky News

 
https://news.sky.com/.../operation-yellowhammer-no-deal-brexit-plans-revealed-1149...
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17 hours ago - Operation Yellowhammer: 'No-deal' Brexit plans leaked. Labour MP Ben Bradshaw says the leak shows the government is "preparing for Brexit ...

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10 hours ago - Sky's Faisal Islam examines the document leaked about "Operational Yellowhammer", the code name for "no-deal" planning.

Operation Yellowhammer! Official lets slip codename of government's ...

 
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18 hours ago - Operation Yellowhammer! Hapless Treasury minister lets slip dramatic codename of government's no-deal plan as he exposes briefing paper ...

Operation Yellowhammer - The Sun

 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/.../brexit-no-deal-leaked-operation-yellowhammer/
14 hours ago - Classified papers detailing Operation Yellowhammer were flashed by Treasury Minister John Glen to photographers - they revealed the gloomy ...

What does Operation Yellowhammer mean? Bizarre theories behind ...

 
https://www.mirror.co.uk › News › Politics › Brexit
12 hours ago - Treasury minister John Glen leaked Operation Yellowhammer, a document revealing no deal Brexit plans - and people have some compelling ...
 
 
 

 

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leatash
leatash
07 Sep 2018 08:21

I dont believe there will be a deal am i concerned at that prospect not at all i welcome it with open arms it may be a opportunity to toughen up our snowflake society.

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Lynne
Lynne
09 Sep 2018 07:33

Dover District Council and Kent County Council have both independently suggested that a plan for a 13-mile Brexit lorry park on the southbound M20 motorway could be needed for four years or more.

https://news.sky.com/story/councils-preparing-for-social-unrest-amid-brexit-uncertainty-11455918

wondering
wondering
09 Sep 2018 10:05

We can make our own rules ...why not?..we used to.  Why should EU tell is what to do all the time.

Maybe UK are just not capable of making decisions in 2018.  

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Lynne
Lynne
09 Sep 2018 11:02

"The impact of EU law varies from sector to sector. In many areas - public order, crime, defence, health - EU laws have minimal impact. But in others - workers' rights, trade - the impact is much greater because the single market and the free movement of workers are at the heart of what the EU is about. The way we organise our NHS is not."

From: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36473105

burneside
burneside
09 Sep 2018 11:32

I think our Westminster politicians have just become lazy after having the EU increasingly make more of our laws over the last four decades.  Once we are out they will have to get used to working again.

leatash
leatash
09 Sep 2018 11:49

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/12169948/Britains-farms-would-thrive-outside-of-the-EU.html

Lynne
Lynne
09 Sep 2018 12:29

"Food prices could rise sharply and farming businesses could be wiped out at the end of a Brexit transition period, a House of Commons committee has warned.

dairy, sheep and cereals would be hit hardest by tariffs on the export front.

Sheep farmers could be “devastated”, with farmers in Wales and Northern Ireland who export about 90% of their lamb products unlikely to survive a 50% tariff.

From: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/18/farming-businesses-could-be-wiped-out-after-brexit-transition

leatash
leatash
09 Sep 2018 14:05

Main meal ingredients for the last seven days the only thing i have purchased that was not produced in the UK are string beans from Kenya and my meals have been meat and veg every day if we change our eating habits we can eat BRITISH and farmers will thrive. Back to basics food is the way forward meat and veg thats all you need for a healthy diet, but remember we can also impose high tariffs on food from Europe it works both ways i wonder how French producers will cope with a 50% duty on wine, cheese,etc.   

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Lynne
Lynne
09 Sep 2018 16:44

From what I have read in order for the UK to become more self sufficient with regard to food production (please note not totally self sufficient) we would all have to eat less meat.

Personally I don't have a problem with that but those who like their meat might.  And land that might be suitable for sheep to graze on may not be suitable to grow crops on.

 

On the subject of eating British produce. Does anyone know of any farms (preferably local) that grow citrus fruits?   

leatash
leatash
09 Sep 2018 17:23

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/police-fear-no-deal-brexit_uk_5b94ecc8e4b0cf7b0040a965

leatash
leatash
09 Sep 2018 17:25

All the citrus i buy are grown in South Africa i refuce to buy EU produced citrus fruit and it's no more expensive.

Lynne
Lynne
09 Sep 2018 18:14

I thought you liked to buy local produce? Southern europe (as we are talking about citrus fruit) is a lot nearer to the UK than South Africa and if the price is the same it makes sense to me to buy the produce that has travelled fewer miles in order to get here.

 

The link that Leatash posted above is about possible civil unrest in the event of food, medicinal and other shortages post Brexit, click here to read it https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/police-fear-no-deal-brexit_uk_5b94ecc8e4b0cf7b0040a965

 

leatash
leatash
09 Sep 2018 18:53

I do buy local but there are things we cant or dont grow and citrus is one of those so as i dislike the EU with a passion it's the lesser of two evils. And remember at the moment the hedgerows are full of good food my jam pan is working overtime and the freezer has twelve months of stewed apples and blackberries all i need is a drop of custard for a great pudding.

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Lynne
Lynne
10 Sep 2018 06:54

Well I've a load of green beans in mine but that doesn't mean to say that I would want to be eating only them day in, day out.    

Lynne
Lynne
10 Sep 2018 08:19

And on the subject of stocking up on food.........

 

A no-deal Brexit survival guide: what food to stockpile | Politics | The ...

 
https://www.theguardian.com/.../a-no-deal-brexit-survival-guide-what-food-to-stockpile
12 Jul 2018 - The story broke on Tuesday that the government, in anticipation of a no-deal Brexit, has been drawing up plans to stockpile processed foods, ...

Stockpile for Brexit victory — the gourmet guide | Financial Times

 
https://www.ft.com/content/92661224-90d8-11e8-bb8f-a6a2f7bca546
26 Jul 2018 - But the Tiggerish new Brexit secretary Dominic Raab is ready to fight the good fight. Building a national food stockpile is top of his to-do list.

A no-deal Brexit survival guide: what food to stockpile - MSN.com

 
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrink/news/...brexit...guide...food.../ar-AAzXyeJ
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12 Jul 2018 - The story broke this morning that the government, in anticipation of a no-deal Brexit, has been drawing up plans to stockpile processed foods, ...

The scientific guide to stockpiling food for a 'no deal' Brexit | New ...

 
https://www.newscientist.com/.../2175259-the-scientific-guide-to-stockpiling-food-for...
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26 Jul 2018 - In a post-Brexit culinary landscape, lamb with turnips and tinned carrots could be on the menu. You probably also want to buy a chest freezer.

Food stockpiling for a 'no deal' Brexit: this is what you need to know

 
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-food-stockpiling-what-you-need-to-know/
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26 Jul 2018 - Food stockpiling for a 'no deal' Brexit: this is what you need to know .... it began producing myth-busting guidance to help job centre advisers ...

Brexit: No-deal would lead to immediate food and medicine shortages ...

 
https://www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › UK Politics
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3 Jun 2018 - Britain could be hit with food and medicine shortages within two weeks of leaving the European Union if a Brexit deal isn't reached, a new ...
 

A no-deal Brexit survival guide: what food to stockpile | Politics ...

 
https://www.reddit.com/r/.../8y7xis/a_nodeal_brexit_survival_guide_what_food_to/
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12 Jul 2018 - Yes please it would be excellent to have a real no-deal brexit prepping guide as a lot of the prepper things on the web are for actual ...

Brexit: What would 'no deal' mean for food and medicine? - BBC News

 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45047874
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3 Aug 2018 - The government has been urged to speed up the publication of its guidance for a 'no deal'Brexit, after a survey of 800 businesses by the ...

[PDF]Brexit - Food and Drink

 
www.brodies.com/sites/default/files/brexit_-_food_and_drink_0.pdf
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BRODIES BREXIT GUIDEFOOD ... What might Brexit mean for the food & drink sector? ... Pre-Brexit EU law would therefore generally continue to apply unless.

Why stockpiling food won't save the UK from a Brexit disaster | WIRED ...

 
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/brexit-food-shortages-stockpiling
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9 Aug 2018 - No deal, no warehouses, and no veggies. The UK doesn't have the infrastructure to support stockpiling of food – and nobody in the industry is ...
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leatash
leatash
10 Sep 2018 08:34

Why not when i was a kid it was meat and veg every day in one form or another leftovers in soups and pies, for tea bread and jam and cake all homemade breakfast was porridge on a Sunday fried breakfast, and now my diet is about the same as it was then.

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Lynne
Lynne
10 Sep 2018 08:41

Because this is some 60+ years on from when you were a kid and whilst you may have had and have a diet like that many do not and never have had.

Times have changed and moved on.  

And assuming that the ingredients for all this home cooking were to be available, who would be doing all the prepping and cooking?      

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leatash
leatash
10 Sep 2018 09:02

Lynne my diet over the years has changed little my kids eat the same it takes little or no time to prep and cook simple meals folk have lost the skills it's to easy to open a jar or tin. I am going to collect rose hips for the rest of the day to make syrup that has 20 times more vitamin c than a orange folk need to learn these skills again it's not rocket science. My advice is prep food the night before instead of sitting and watching rubbish on the telly or playing games on the latest teck.

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Lynne
Lynne
10 Sep 2018 11:03

Rose hip syrup. Yuck! I most certainly remember  that from my childhood.

I'm not disputing that it is easy to open a tin. What I was asking about was the cooking from scratch which is what I thought you were suggesting people should do.

elvis presley
elvis presley
10 Sep 2018 20:36

What's all this to do with the thread?

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Lynne
Lynne
11 Sep 2018 05:52

I think it is something to do with local councils and their preparation (or not) for a hard Brexit and what a hard Brexit might bring. Which, amongst other shortages, could be food.

But to bring this thread more directly back on track, here is a link concerning local councils and Brexit (although admittedly Devon County Council and Teignbridge District Council are not mentioned in it). 

https://news.sky.com/story/councils-preparing-for-social-unrest-amid-brexit-uncertainty-11455918    

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