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Brexit and medical supplies - NHS Chief says planning underway in the event of no deal

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Lynne
02 Jul 2018 07:36

Phew!

 

The UK relies on 370 million packs of medicine from the EU each month, in addition to blood plasma supplies and radioactive isotopes used in X-rays and treatment.

Senior civil servants said in June that hospitals could run out of medicines within two weeks of a hard Brexit where the UK leaves the EU without a trade deal in place.

 

It could also lead to fatal delays in cancer treatments if unstable radioactive isotopes or blood supplies from the continent are rendered useless while stuck in customs queues.

 

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/brexit-simon-stevens-nhs-no-deal-medical-supplies-eu-department-of-health-a8425266.html

 

 

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Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 08:49

AstraZeneca to stockpile drugs for Brexit - BBC News - BBC.com

 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44847914
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AstraZeneca is to increase its stockpiles of drugs by about 20% in preparation for a no-deal Brexit,. The European regulator has told companies to be ready for a ...

AstraZeneca increases stockpiles in 'safety net' for no-deal Brexit

 
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9 hours ago - AstraZeneca has said it is increasing the stockpiles of medicines it has available in both the European Union and the UK to protect against the ...

NHS stockpiling medicine ahead of Brexit - Plymouth Live

 
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk › News › Plymouth News › NHS
2 Jul 2018 - NHS stockpiling medicine ahead of Brexit. The chief executive says there is 'significant planning'. Share; Comments. By. Neil ShawHead of ...
 

NHS is preparing to stockpile medicine in case of a no deal Brexit ...

 
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../The-NHS-preparing-stockpile-medicine-case-no-deal-Brexit.ht...
1 Jul 2018 - The NHS is preparing to stockpile medicines and equipment to ensure hospitals can function after a no deal Brexit, the health service chief ...

NHS stockpiling drugs to protect Britain if EU refuses Brexit deal | UK ...

 
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1 Jul 2018 - NHS bosses have started stockpiling plans to ensure Britain has enough drugs to keep the health service afloat if the EU refuses a Brexit deal ...

Brexit: NHS prepares for no-deal shortage of drugs and doctors | News ...

 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/.../nhs-prepares-for-no-deal-shortage-of-drugs-and-doctors-...
2 Jul 2018 - Brexit: NHS prepares for no-deal shortage of drugs and doctors ... Retailers are preparing to build stockpiles to manage potential border delays ...
 
 
 
 
 
                   
 
 

 

leatash
leatash
18 Jul 2018 09:06

What a load of c**p does anyone really believe any of this remain c**p we get on a daily basis.

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Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 09:40

Well I hope you don't run out of medication (if you take any) and food (which you most certainy do).

Up to you what you decide to believe.

 

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Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 10:08

Talking of c**p and the NHS

 

Brexit: Vote Leave chief who created £350m NHS claim on bus admits ...

 
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4 Jul 2017 - One of the masterminds behind the Brexit vote has performed an ... This is the man who slapped the £350m NHS lie on the side of the bus who is now .... UK banks could face £13bn restructuring bill after Brexit · Remain would ...
 

Boris Johnson's £350m claim is devious and bogus. Here's why | John ...

 
https://www.theguardian.com/.../boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secreta...
18 Sep 2017 - There are lies, damned lies and Boris Johnson's weasel sums. ... “We send the EU £350m a week: let's fund our NHS instead” – was bogus all along. ... He is making the extremely subtle claim that, post-Brexit, Britain will have ...
 

Brexit camp abandons £350m-a-week NHS funding pledge | Politics ...

 
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10 Sep 2016 - Brexit camp abandons £350m-a-week NHS funding pledge ... says it's outrageous that Leave campaign 'peddled lie' about NHS funding. ... The idea that so much extra money could be guaranteed for the NHS post-Brexit was ...
 

Let's have that Brexit-promised £350m a week now – the NHS can't ...

 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/.../brexit-promise-350m-a-week-nhs-budge...
9 Nov 2017 - There are many calls on the budget, but the cost of the NHS collapsing ... Let's have that Brexit-promised £350m a week now – the NHS can't afford to wait .... Hammond dismisses Johnson's talk of post-Brexit NHS dividend ... We all know the claim was an egregious lie, however the notional precondition ...
 

Boris Johnson says his £350 million a week Brexit claim was an ...

 
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16 Jan 2018 - You have successfully emailed the post. ... In 2016 the UK Statistics Authority described the £350 million claim as "potentially ... from Boris, a man who has become so obsessed with the lie he slapped on the side of the bus. ... "He sold Brexit on a false prospectus and with the NHS in crisis people are rightly ...
 

Everything wrong with Boris Johnson's claim that £350m Brexit ...

 
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16 Jan 2018 - Boris Johnson and his bus of lies. ... After the rebate, the money it paid the EU in 2014 was £276m per week – not the £350m ... last September, he repeated the false claim that Brexit will result in £350m a week for the NHS.
 

Brexit: Statistics Authority boss 'disappointed' at Boris Johnson's ...

 
https://news.sky.com/.../brexit-statistics-authority-boss-disappointed-at-boris-johnsons-...
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17 Sep 2017 - Brexit: Statistics Authority boss 'disappointed' at Boris Johnson's £350m NHS claim ... claim that £350m a week could go to the NHS after Brexit. ... Leave had "knowingly placed a financiallie at the heart of their campaign".

Brexit Lies

 
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We already know that the UK never was giving £350 million to the EU, as we ... out selling off the NHSin post-Brexit trade deal with Trump (Business Insider UK).
 

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8 Feb 2017 - They did not realise that for millions of people, £350m/NHS was about the ... Breaking @vote_leave director admits #Brexit referendum was won by lying to the public ... The post in no way admits the vote leave camp lied.
 

Nigel Farage: £350 million pledge to fund the NHS was 'a mistake'

 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk › News
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24 Jun 2016 - Nigel Farage: £350 million pledge to fund the NHS was 'a mistake' ... £350million a week would be spent on the NHS if the UK backed a Brexit vote. Speaking just an hour after the Leave vote was confirmed the Ukip leader ...
 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
                   
 
 

 

 

majorp
majorp
18 Jul 2018 10:47

Business is business. Everybody appears to be making assumptions as to what might happen when we leave. What could we do if those that assume something are correct when it happens? Prove by way of facts before any conclusions are made is my motto.

The supply chain to the NHS is complicated, are the suppliers going to bite their nose to spite their face. I will imagine that measures are already being addressed by the suppliers to keep it going, and that applies to most things we import.

So I say don't panic, wait and see because either way, we can do nothing about it, it just makes a good talking point at the moment.

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leatash
leatash
18 Jul 2018 10:50

Lynne i do take medication that my life depends on am i concerned not in the slightest why because it wont happen and if it does so be it.

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Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 10:56

"I will imagine that measures are already being addressed by the suppliers to keep it going, and that applies to most things we import."

 

Exactly!! Quite!!

 

They are stockpiling in the eventuality of there being a no deal, hard Brexit. Which will mean import tariffs and customs checks leading to increase in costs and increase in delay of supplies.

If they just stood back and did nothing (wait and see to use your expression) then they would be failing in their duty.   

 

 

majorp
majorp
18 Jul 2018 12:02

Stockpiling,and tarriffs cost money and if the cost go too high, then people will stop buying that particular product and start on something else. I am sure some will remember the steep price that potatoes once went too in 1976, well it did not last long as people switched and bought rice and new crops started to flood in. It is a balancing act as to how things will pan out and market forces and demand will play it's hand as it does now. I know I will not starve, I know how to forage for food in the countryside. As for medical supplies. well there are many problems that we face where there is no cure at the moment, tough on those that may have one of those medical problems now, same will apply if the medicine that some of us rely on now runs out - tough sh1t.

majorp
majorp
18 Jul 2018 12:40

The quarterly return, July, August, September, from the Ministry of Agriculture showed that the amount spent each week on potatoes doubled from 7.9p to 16.15p, despite a 14 per cent. drop in sales. The overall food increase, including beef and milk along with potatoes, meant that the food bill for a family of four went up by £2.88 a week in that quarter.

BUT WE SURVIVED!!!!!!!

Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 13:14

 "if the medicine that some of us rely on now runs out - tough sh1t."

Look the mother of a desperately sick child in the eye and say that​!

 

oh and btw - this contingency planning (stockpiling) is being pushed by hardline Brexiteers not Remainers.  I'll give you an example of this in a couple of hours time when the Hansard coverage of today's Prime Minister's Questions is online.   

leatash
leatash
18 Jul 2018 14:05

Lynne the country voted to LEAVE right or wrong that was the result as far as i am concerned the elected house of commons are there to carry out the will of the people again right or wrong they should just get on with it thats what the people wanted so they should deliver a clean break with the EU. Now folk argue the truth wasnt told so whats new at every general election they lie, do we carry on for years, no we accept the demacratic result and by the way elections are won on smaller margins than the referendum was.

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leatash
leatash
18 Jul 2018 14:06

I believe the remainers will go to any length to get a new referendum so lets say they do and the result is the same what then Lynne.

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Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 14:25

I refer the honorable member to my posting above dated 18th July timed at 13.14. 

I am not arguing about the result of the referendum. I am putting forward information concerning contingency plans should we leave the EU without a deal.  I repeat, it is Brexiteers, not Remainers, who are arguing for these contingency plans because they wish this country to be in a position to walk away from the EU with no deal. 

If we go into a no deal scenario we will end up trading under WTO terms. This will involve tariffs and border checks. Which will then increase costs and delays in supply chains. So with that in mind it makes sense that contingency plans very much do include stockpiling of food and medication and any other essentials that we presently import from the EU.

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Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 15:16

From today's Hansard coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. 

 

 

It is in the national interest that we should have, and have implemented, contingency plans for the unwanted eventuality of exiting the European Union with nothing agreed. Now there is collective agreement to accelerate the delivery of our plans, will my right hon. Friend please give instructions that every communication related to no deal serves to bolster our negotiating position by reinforcing the credibility and feasibility of those contingency plans?

 

I thank my hon. Friend also for the work he was doing in the Department for Exiting the European Union, and particularly for the work he was doing on this issue. He is absolutely right that we need to make sure that we have those no deal preparations in place while we negotiate with the European Union on a deal, because we need to ensure that we have made contingency arrangements for every eventuality. Also, the European Union needs to be in no doubt that we are making those preparations and are ensuring that, should that be the outcome, we are prepared.

 

leatash
leatash
18 Jul 2018 16:51

So Lynne what if we have another referendum and the result is the same what then because it could happen would you then want a third vote then a fourth, i believe remainers would never accept a leave vote however many times it was rerun.

Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 17:24

Excuse me? Hello? Where have I mentioned having another referendum?

If you read my posts above you will see that I am talking about contingency plans should there be a no deal Brexit scenario.  

The Brexiteers in parliament are talking about, and pushing for, a no deal Brexit scenario by dint of their pushing for contingency arrangements to be in place.    

So what we, the public need to know, is how a no deal Brexit will impact on us.    And I can only think that the Brexiteers must have a pretty good idea otherwise why would they be arguing for contingency measures?   

 

burneside
burneside
18 Jul 2018 17:51

It is incumbent on the government to plan for all outcomes, including a no-deal Brexit.  Planning for a no-deal doesn't mean it is going to come to pass.  Even the European Commission is advising member states to be prepared for such an eventuality.

http://www.cityam.com/289392/european-commission-ramp-up-warnings-over-no-deal-brexit

 

Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 18:09

It may not come to pass but I feel pretty certain that I am not the only one in the UK who would like to know what the outcome is likely to be if we should have a no deal Brexit.

I've just been watching the Liaison select committee on tv. The PM was asked several times when it would be that the public would be told the consequences of a no deal Brexit but she evaded giving a straight answer. 

But surely she must know if she is in charge of the contingency measures.

So why not tell us?            

leatash
leatash
18 Jul 2018 18:15

Lynne i dont believe you want us to leave the EU no one knows what the outcome will be the UK is writing the book and maybe if we are successful others may dare to follow.

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Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 18:30

Well, actually, as I understand it, there are some facts if we leave without a deal. Like us going on to WTO terms. That means tariffs and delays.

So.........from those facts it wouldn't be beyond the dint of those who deal in such things for an impact assessment to be made concerning a no deal scenario.

I believe impact assessments are made on any legislation passing through parliament so there is no reason why this shouldn't happen for such a big thing as Brexit. Actually, I'll correct that statement - I believe such an impact assessment has indeed already been made but it has not been made overtly public.  But the signs are there if you wish to read them:- Government saying it will stockpile processed foods. NHS stockpiling medication. 

 

In other words, for the government to be taking contingency measures they need to know what contingency measures they need to take. And they will only know that by way of a no deal Brexit impact assessment.  

 

Why can't someone just be upfront about it with us  - or is that too much to ask?

 

majorp
majorp
18 Jul 2018 20:26

If the medicine that some of us rely on now does run out it WILL BE tough sh1t and I will not need to look anyone in the eye and say it, they will find out about it soon enough and I will not be held responsible for it if it did happen.

Lynne
Lynne
18 Jul 2018 21:22

So who would be responsible then? eh?

Yet another reason why we all need to be told what a no deal Brexit could mean!    
 

leatash
leatash
18 Jul 2018 21:33

Lynne nobody knows, the reason it's never happened before and it's all speculation this may happen that might happen maybe nothing will happen its all a big maybe.  It doesnt bother me one way or the other and i dont lose sleep over it what will be will be just wait and see March 2019 will soon be here. The Brexit ship is set on its course were it makes landfall depends in what direction the EU wind blows.

Lynne
Lynne
19 Jul 2018 07:18

Leatash: I agree it has never happened before. That is why the government is (now) making contingency plans in case it all goes **** up and it is making those contingency plans at the behest of those hardline Brexiteers in parliament who want a hard Brexit.

As Burneside has correctly pointed out it is a government's responsibility to make contingency plans and act upon them.

And as I have pointed out impact assessments of the various forms of Brexit have been made. MPs have seen them. The general public has not. 

Why not? 

You may not be interested. Fair enough. But I am, and I suspect I am not alone in that.

I'd like someone to give me one good reason why we, the public, should not be privy to the impact assessements made concerning Brexit when whatever happens, whatever form Brexit takes, we will ALL be impacted by it. 

 

burneside
burneside
19 Jul 2018 11:16

The terms hard and soft Brexit had never been used until Leave won the referendum. Soft Brexit is a ruse invented by Remainers to try to keep us in the EU by the back door,

and it was fully endorsed by May with the publication of her Chequers plan.  It's the game she has been playing for the last two years, but thankfully her wings have now been clipped

by true Brexiteers in the government.

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leatash
leatash
19 Jul 2018 14:05

Since when did our elected goverment of any colour make the general public privy to there decisions going to war etc we elect our representative  to represent us thats democracy. But could it be that the outlook of a hard brexit is so bad that goverment finds it impossible to tell us as it may cause mass hysteria riots and looting or is it there is nothing to tell.

burneside
burneside
19 Jul 2018 14:42

The Irish PM has announced in the event of a "hard" Brexit then UK aircraft could be banned from flying across EU territories.  The right to fly over another country's land is not governed by the EU at all, but by the global International Air Services Transit Agreement.  His assertion is made even more ridiculous with the revelation that the RAF actually polices Ireland's airspace because it does not have suitable aircraft for the role.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/irish-prime-minister-warns-british-flights-could-be-banned-from-irish-airspace-despite-the-raf-policing-irish-air-space/

 

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leatash
leatash
19 Jul 2018 15:05

The question is what have the EU to lose after brexit.

majorp
majorp
19 Jul 2018 16:27

@leatash

Not a lot if anything. The only thing I can think of is they will not be able to tell us what to do or how to do it.

Other than that.

Business as usual

burneside
burneside
19 Jul 2018 16:42

The EU will lose its third largest financial contributor, the 2016 figures show our contributions amounted to 13.45% of the EU budget,.

That's quite a large hole to fill once we've gone.

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