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25 Jun 2018 12:53
Brooklyn Bridge
Brooklyn Bridge
25 Jun 2018 15:48

 Webmaster... Trying to copy and paste onto this forum. I know how to copy and paste, however just can't seem to do it for this site. I have sent email to all Councillors with regards this topic. Could it be possible to send it to your email address if you have one and you could post it for me.

Thanks

 

flo
flo
25 Jun 2018 21:01

hi @Brooklyn Bridge - try clicking on 'source' and pasting.  i have problems typing sometimes on this site and have to move over to source.

 

On other matters.  There was a great evening last night at Coryton Cove with some chilled music and pizzas.  Seriously the number of moaning minnies who didn't like 'the type' of music was unbelievable on Facebook today, The cafe actually apologised!!  This is why we will have nothing nice in Dawlish because of the miserable outlook of the people who generally move here.  I clicked on the profiles of the moaners and the majority were older people who were from up country.  Why does everything have to be so Darby and Joan in Dawlish.  A bit of fun and 'outraged of Dawlish' is back at it again.

 

 

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Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
25 Jun 2018 23:31

Completely agree Flo, it was a great night at the Cove and I hope there will be many more. The cafe has brought the Cove back to life and it’s lovely going down there. Some people will moan whatever is put on! 

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Lynne
Lynne
26 Jun 2018 07:20

@Brooklynbridge

try webmaster@dawlish.com

Lynne
Lynne
26 Jun 2018 08:34

This letter from Bob Vickery was published in the Dawlish Gazette last month.

 

Wrong Place For Play Park
 
What chance have young children of Dawlish seeing a decent playground on The Lawn when voting members of the town council working party are mainly drawn from committed opponents?
 
There's a proposal that it is placed by the tourist office, destroying the decorative planting and taking space from the market square.
 
This will also reduce the space available for the funfair and other lawn events.
 
There must be young mothers and fathers taking part and voting on these issues, just as the last Voices For Dawlish council provided, which returned a majority in favour of the proposal for a playpark next to the bowling green.
 

 

flo
flo
26 Jun 2018 09:17

@Lynne - do you know who puts the restrictions on the money to spend - why does it have to be new and not improve facilities (eg the manor) and why can't it be spent when needed rather than a rush job where we all know it will be a bodge.

I was a young mother once (not long ago cough) and I had no issue walking to the Manor or up to the Spider Park.  Reduce space for the funfair, that would be a shame ...

@Margaret Swift - glad someone agrees with me!

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Lynne
Lynne
26 Jun 2018 09:48

@flo - the s106 money (ie money that, in this case Sainsbury's, hands over to the council) must be spent within a certain amount of time and on certain things only. This would have formed part of the planning consent.  In this case the money has to be spent on things concerning improving the town centre (to offset the negative impact that Sainsbury's has had/might have had on the town centre economy.) Some of that money has already been spent.  What is left has to be spent within the very near future or else I understand it has to be returned to Sainsbury's (and with interest.)

 

The money from GWR has to be spent by April 2019. I guess GWR dictate the terms.

 

Would development of the Manor Park be of benefit to the town centre? 

 

Best person to ask about all this is the Chair of the lawn working party - Martin Wrigley email martin.wrigley@gmail.com 

 

 

Brooklyn Bridge
Brooklyn Bridge
26 Jun 2018 10:42

Lynne, I did have an immediate reply to my email from Mr. Wrigley. I would post it here if only I could copy and past. Then you would read my email and his response.

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
26 Jun 2018 10:45

@Lynne, i read Bob Vickery’s letter and he is wrong, the survey did not produce a result in favour of a playpark next to the bowling green. the results were not clear cut at all, which is why a referendum on the issue is required. 

Brooklyn Bridge
Brooklyn Bridge
26 Jun 2018 10:51

Re: Play park on Dawlish Lawn. Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:55 Cllr Martin Wrigley martin.wrigley@dawlish.gov.uk, Many thanks for your email. The Lawn Working group has been set up to look at the ideas about the Lawn and to see if we can find a consensus that the Town can endorse. No decisions have yet been made, and nothing is set in stone. We are currently working on a plan to ensure that we get a good consultation in the town around the future vision for the lawn, and what the town wants from it. The idea of the lawn being a peaceful tranquil place with the waterfowl in pride of place has been discussed in the working group, and we feel is very important as you suggest. Also we agree that we want to be very careful not to aggravate any ASB. One thing that has come across to us very strongly is that whatever happens many people in Dawlish wish to retain a traditional, peaceful, tranquil space with waterfowl roaming free. They also want a flexible versatile space for activities including the carnival and others. I hope that the consultation will bring a wide consensus as to the future of the lawn, and the play space will be one topic that we need to consult about. Many Thanks Martin. From: Sent: 24 June 2018 23:55:18 To: Cllr Martin Wrigley; noel.nickless.; Cllr Alison Foden; Cllr Lin Goodman-Bradbury; Cllr Val Mawhood; Cllr Gary Taylor Subject: Fwd: Play park on Dawlish Lawn. -----Original Message- To: martin.wrigley ; noel.nickless. ; alison.foden ; lin.goodman-bradbury To: martin.wrigley ; noel.nickless ; alison.foden ; lin.goodman-bradbury

 

At last figured out how to paste this reply from Mr. Wrigley.

 

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Brooklyn Bridge
Brooklyn Bridge
26 Jun 2018 10:59

Dear Councillors, There has been a lot of publicity with regard to locating a play park on the Dawlish Lawn. Some of your meetings have been conducted in closed sessions with very little transparency for the residents of Dawlish. You had conducted a survey that was in some way skewed in favour of this play park. First, it was decided that the play park be located between the bandstand and the bowling green. Although I am opposed to having a play park at all, I feel this would be the right location for it. Now the latest development from the Council and the "Lawn working group" states that the Piazza outside the tourist information centre (TIC) would be a better location. I am strongly opposed to this location not only to have major construction but the destruction of one of the beauty spots on the Dawlish lawn with the trees, foliage, shrubbery, and plantings of flowers. This area has an abundant wildlife of nesting birds as well as a family of hedgehogs residing ther e. Now you want to build this white elephant of a play park outside our building. I do not wish to look out of my window and see plastic slides, swings, etc., that also would include the noise that would emanate from this area. We in these buildings have enough ASB and you could be assured of vandalism during the hours of darkness. This is supposed to be a tranquil place for the public and visitors to sit and watch the wildlife. So, in conclusion, I am vehemently opposed to the location of the Piazza to be a play park of any size. A courtesy of a reply would be appreciated.

 

My email to the Council. Thank you for those that gave me some help to paste

Lynne
Lynne
26 Jun 2018 14:28

More info on the Sainsbury's S106 money.

Back in 2011 Sainsbury's were at long last granted planning permission to build a supermarket at Shutterton. Planning application 08/01472/MAJ 

I have been looking at the S106 agreement concerning that planning permission.

Part of that permission involved certain undertakings one of which concerns a £200,000 town centre contribution by Sainsbury's "towards the cost of projects aimed at sustaining the vitality and viability of Dawlish town centre and including works to meet objectives contained in the Dawlish Town Centre Masterplan dated April 2008 as published by Dawlish Community Trust."

 

The £200,000 was payable by Sainsburys to Teignbridge District Council within 30 business days of the commencement of development. I cannot remember when the development commenced but I do know that Sainsbury's opened in August 2011.  So sometime after March 2011 (when planning permission was granted) from the moment the first shovel hit the ground and the development commenced (plus a max of 30 business days),  the 10 year time limit started.

   

TDC has to use all monies received for the purposes specified within 10 years of the commencement of the development of the Sainsbury's store or has to repay Sainsburys whatever money is left over at a rate of 1% interest. 

 

So time is ticking on.......looks like April/May 2021 might be the 10 year deadline.

 

Some of this money has already been spent. I am not sure how much is presently left over. Cllrs should know.  

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
26 Jun 2018 15:35

@Brooklyn Bridge - 26 06 18 10:59  - well said. 

If there is money still in the pot why not use it to replace the bandstand with something in keeping with its surrounding. I and others have mentioned a bandstand similar to the victorian styled one in Newton Abbot. Certainly a worthy addition to The Lawn compared to the play park only for under 8's, not to mention all the noise that will emenate from such an area.

The amount of shenanagins that has gone on to get the under this under 8's play park on The Lawn area is, in my opinion, borders on obsessive.

 

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Lynne
Lynne
26 Jun 2018 15:53

What the Dawlish Town Masterplan said about the lawn

I have mentioned in my post above the Dawlish town masterplan.  Unfortunately it is no longer available online. However that is only a fairly recent event as I post below something from its contents that I have posted on a previous thread (Hard copies of the masterplan quite likely lodged with TDC, Dawlish Town council and private copies no doubt held by others should you wish to see the document for yourselves.)

 

A couple of extracts from the DTC Town Centre Masterplan document:

 

Para 1.1 Background:

"The plan contains a long list of proposed projects, including priority action to:  

. improve the Lawn, Manor Gardens and other public and open spaces 

. increase turnover, footfall and employment by making the Strand safer and more attractive to visitors..."

 

Para 10.5 The Lawn:

"The Lawn will return to its original character as a generously proportioned, tranquil and elegant green space in the heart of Dawlish. By removing visual clutter these proposals will reinforce the simple, formal character of the Lawn, and restore the integrity of the spatial set-piece formed by the Strand, Brunswick Place and gardens..."

Duckileaks
Duckileaks
26 Jun 2018 16:33

Bob Vicary says 'This will reduce the space available for the funfair and lawn events'

That'll happen wherever a play park is put, not really a useful comment to help make a decision.

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DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
26 Jun 2018 16:36

I believe part of the decluttering of visuals was the over abundance of signs. Although since this doc was originally created it has increased signficantly rather than decreased. Next will have signs in town directing vistitors to where the nearest sign is.

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webmaster
webmaster
26 Jun 2018 19:34

@Brooklyn Bridge, sorry for not getting back sooner. If you or anyone else ever needs to email me then my email is webmaster@dawlish.com

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
26 Jun 2018 22:55

LOLA -Leave Our Lawn Alone! 

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elvis presley
elvis presley
27 Jun 2018 08:28

FOLOLA ,work it out.

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Lynne
Lynne
28 Jun 2018 09:13

Can anyone enlighten me please as to the arguments for why there should be a playpark on the lawn.

I know that it has been argued that it would benefit the town centre economy (a fallacious argument in my opinion) but are there any other reasons?

 

 

 

Flower
Flower
28 Jun 2018 23:41

No, Lynne I can’t think of any justifiable reasons or arguments as to why there should be a space-consuming, brash and noisy play park on our Lawn, which is most unlikely to generate any appreciable additional income for the town.

Clearly spending the Sainsbury’s S106 money on such would be in direct contradiction to the objectives of the Dawlish Town Masterplan which include  restoring the historical character, maintaining tranquility and proportions.  Therefore, surely it would be illegal to release the funds for this type of project.

Restore and expand the playpark in the Manor Gardens, perhaps. And run a catering franchise out of the Manor House to support it and make it a vibrant area for family enjoyment.

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Lynne
Lynne
08 Jul 2018 14:24

I said in an earlier post (26th June) that I believed the Sainsbury's money had to spent by May/June 2021.  

That date is incorrect. 

I have been told, and having looked again at the planning documents I agree, that the money (what is left of it and I don't know how much as I type this) has to be spent by October 2020.  

 

I have asked if a breakdown of how the £200,000 has been spent thus far can be made public. And if not, why not?

I'll post on this thread any info I get.

 

Lynne
Lynne
21 Jul 2018 09:05

There is a Dawlish town council meeting scheduled for this coming Thursday (26th).

I have just looked at the agenda and there is nothing concerning the Lawn Working Group.

So if anyone knows anything concerning the future of the lawn (like when the public consultation will be taking place) please can you let the rest of us know.

Thanks.

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