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21 Apr 2018 10:15
Lynne
Lynne
27 Apr 2018 07:13

I imagine (and I use the word imagine because I can't find any information anywhere on the town council website pertaining to this lawn working group) that this group is meeting again today at 10.00am. Somewhere in the Manor House. What they will be discussing and what they have discussed so far still not known by us, the electorate.

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Lynne
Lynne
27 Apr 2018 15:00

It has been suggested to me that in the absence of any information concerning this working group being on the town council website, and no information about it in the Gazette, that I should write a letter for publication in said paper putting to a wider audience what I know about the working group (which is on the previous thread).

I am in two minds about this.

Pro - if I think more people should know of the working group's existence, who is on it, when it meets etc then in the absence of anyone else putting that info in a wider public domain then someone (me?) needs to do so.

 

Con - my bloody minded streak is now coming into play which is going along the lines of "if the council won't/doesn't want to publicise the working party's existence then why should I? Why should I draw the public's attention to the fact that it (so I am led to understand) agreed at its first meeting that it wanted the public's involvement by way of suggestions for the future of the lawn but then put nothing to this effect on the town council's website and had nothing in the Gazette to draw the public's attention to the fact that the lawn working party wanted their suggestions.   

 

So, if you have been following this saga and think that I should write a letter to the Gaz please let me know by hitting 'agree'.  If the response is low then I won't bother.          

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Lynne
Lynne
27 Apr 2018 18:49

I've now been told that technical difficulties have stopped information about this working group being put on the town council website.

These technical issues are being looked into.

Watch this space....

Lynne
Lynne
02 May 2018 10:36

There's a letter in today's Gazette concerning what might be done to the bandstand   

Lynne
Lynne
05 May 2018 11:14

Here's how to attract people to a town centre!

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tourist-attraction-dreamed-up-april-1535541

 

I remember something similar being mooted for Dawlish town centre in the Dawlish Gazette one April Fool's Day circa 2009. 

Lynne
Lynne
07 May 2018 08:01

The chair of the town council lawn working group is recently retired mayor Cllr Martin Wrigley. This is an excerpt from his retiring as mayor speech given at the annual town council meeting held last week.

 

 Thinking about the events for the years brings us to the Lawn Working Group. This group has met a number of times and has started by looking at the way residents and visitors use the lawn. It is looking at both what is valued and needs to be kept and what needs to be improved or enhanced. Balancing the needs for an open flexible green space – the heart and lungs of Dawlish – with the needs to attract and keep people in the centre of town is not simple. I’m grateful to the group who are working together well and having productive meetings that are starting to draw out a vision for the Lawn. We need to build a consensus in the town for that vision to enable Dawlish to flourish. 

majorp
majorp
07 May 2018 08:17

Nice to know we have a transparent lawn working group. When will it come into view?

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Lynne
Lynne
07 May 2018 08:57

Very good question majorp. Perhaps one of the below (who are all members of the working group) might have an answer?

 

Councillor Martin Wrigley – Chairman

Councillor Noel Nickless – Vice Chairman

Councillor Alison Foden

Councillor Lin Goodman-Bradbury

Councillor Val Mawhood

Councillor Gary Taylor

 

(the Mayor and Deputy Mayor have ex-officio status)

 

In addition to

 

Trevor Stratford – on behalf of Dawlish Celebrates Carnival

Helen Wills – on behalf of Dawlish Royal British Legion

Vanessa Ryley / David Force – on behalf of Dawlish Chamber of Trade

 

majorp
majorp
07 May 2018 11:52

Now that the band have been exposed, when will they start to play the music I wonder?

Lynne
Lynne
10 May 2018 08:58

Although there is nothing on the town council website about this working group I understand that the meetings are open to the public to observe should they so wish. 10.00am Fridays, The Manor House.

I am putting that information on here as I am not aware that it appears anywhere else.

A cynic might say that means that whilst the meeting, de jure, is an open one, that de facto it is being held in closed session. 

The logic of all this defies me. It is a bit like the working party wanting the Dawlish public to feed in their ideas about the future of the lawn but then not telling the Dawlish public that is what they are able to do.

I am beginning to feel that I have fallen down a rabbit hole somewhere.

 

Yours in wonderland

 

Alice 

   

majorp
majorp
10 May 2018 09:17

There are many factors in all of this that show me what a waste of time all the councillors are. First your councillor claims to represent your interests, so why hasn't your councillor asked the question of the town clerk who normally organises the show, why it is not been made known generally to other members of the public.

Members of the public should not have to ask what is going on within council, they should be made aware. If there is nothing in the previous minutes about this pending meeting, then your councillor is duty bound to find out why not and get something done about it. We cannot and should not have meetings conducted (which this meeting apparently is) behind closed doors, even though some members of the public through this site have been made aware. Everyone should be made aware and then choose whether or not they attend the metting.

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Lynne
Lynne
14 May 2018 08:29

See below information I have received from a member of the Lawn working group. I feel free to put it on here as I made a point that any information I received I would share with other members of the general public. 

 

"We haven’t had any members of the public attend/listen in to our meetings but I know the meetings are being recorded and notes made plus of course they are open and accountable to all.  We meet every Friday from 10am to 12.30pm.
 
 Two members of the public are actually members of this working group plus there are  representitives from the Dawlish board of trade ( David Force and Vanessa Ryley) and Dawlish Celebrates Carnival (chairman). In addition we have councillors from CAC and Events and others (including myself). 
 
As to what, in general we have been discussing:
1. The importance of the Lawn and what it means to Destination Dawlish.
2. What can be done to enhance our lovely town with particular reference to the Lawn.
3. What will a cycle route mean for us in Dawlish plus what is the possible  impact on the Lawn.
4 Ditto for a possible additional playarea. 
5. Planning for the future of Destination Dawlish. 
 

The working party have been tasked to build a report including recommendations for improvements to take back to full council as soon as possible. "

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Diana Mond
Diana Mond
14 May 2018 08:44

Thanks Lynne. 

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Lynne
Lynne
14 May 2018 13:24

I have just had some further email correspondence about this matter.

The technical problems (see my post dated 27th April) still seem to be unresolved - thus nothing on the town council website.

 

The working group has now met 5 times.  

DEEDOODLE
DEEDOODLE
14 May 2018 13:55

Other than maintaining The Lawn and replacing the bandstand....just LEAVE IT ALONE.

In my opinion, if this working group has its way there will be a lot more tarmac, concrete, mini play park and a lot less grass and trees....that's in my opinion. Did I say that this was IN MY OPINION!

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flo
flo
14 May 2018 19:13

Quite a big discussion on this on EOD discussion page.

Lynne
Lynne
14 May 2018 20:13

So there is Flo - thanks for the heads up. I see that contributors to the thread on EoD include not only ex but also present councillors. Pity they don't post on here as well then!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/902590369905740/

 

I don't have an fb account. But should some kind soul have one who also reads this site perhaps they could put some info on that EoD thread as to when and where the working party meets  and who is on it etc.  

flo
flo
14 May 2018 20:20

that's it, well done @Lynne, i couldn't work out how to link to the discussion!

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Lynne
Lynne
16 May 2018 09:24

Have now been told that ex town councillors Mary Lowther and Linda Petherick are also members of the lawn working group. 

Lynne
Lynne
16 May 2018 10:49

There is a letter in today's Gazette concerning where the playpark might (now) be located - by the tourist information office.

(and I am so glad that people are writing letters to the Gazette about this working party for as I have already pointed out (and pointed out to some of those who sit on it!) there is no information whatsoever about this working party on the town council website.)  

 

Personally I think this lack of transparency is just asking for trouble given how controversial the subject is concerning the future of the lawn and whether or not there should be a playpark and if so where it should be located etc etc. 

 

 

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Helen
Helen
17 May 2018 12:19

I've been told that my name is mentioned above as being part of the working group.

I'm not, unfortunately the group meets on the only day of the week that I can't make.

Helen Wills

Lynne
Lynne
17 May 2018 13:19

Sorry Helen - I posted the information given to me by the town clerk and I can't edit the post as the edit facility is no longer available. 

Lindapetherick
Lindapetherick
17 May 2018 13:29

Lynn you or any members of the public can attend the lawn meeting on Friday morning the group is feeding back at the next council meeting.

Helen
Helen
17 May 2018 13:41

That's ok Lynne, at the time of your post I was going to be part of the group.

Lynne
Lynne
17 May 2018 14:44

Thanks for posting that information @Lindapetherick. I have been trying to get that information out and about to others as well (see my post above dated 10th may).  

I'm a bit like Helen in that my Friday mornings are otherwise occupied.   

Can you ask why nothing whatsoever concerning this working group is on the town council website?  Thanks

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