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Dave Hutton
Dave Hutton
03 Mar 2018 10:07

Hi, there is a new FB group for anyone in the Dawlish area who is interested in reducing plastic consumption and encouraging recycling. We aim to share info about plastic-free alternatives and champion local companies who are doing their bit. https://www.facebook.com/groups/DawlishAgainstPlastic/

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Lynne
Lynne
04 Mar 2018 08:16

See agenda item 14 for the  upcoming Dawlish Town Council meeting.

http://www.dawlish.gov.uk/edit/uploads/2370_265276272.pdf 

majorp
majorp
04 Mar 2018 08:42

"To consider". I would have thought it is a no brainer. Air polution is another topic they should consider, that is a threat to all of us.

Diana Mond
Diana Mond
04 Mar 2018 10:20

That’s standard wording used on all agenda items. 

 

Do you have any suggestions for reducing air pollution in Dawlish? Making it a car-free zone perhaps?

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leatash
leatash
04 Mar 2018 11:53

Diesel upheavel, as from May 20th new MOT rules come into force and diesel vehicles will be hit the hardest so that may reduce vehicle polution.

Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
04 Mar 2018 13:19

Here is what others are doing in this country and around the world to reduced air pollution.  What is in place for Dawlish to improve its air pollution due to increased poplulation/traffic within the town itself?  What has been built into the infrastructure design within DA2, especially in respect of the new link road, which will be a major through route for Dawlish residents and not just those who are to live in the new houses.  There will be lower air quality in this area due to traffic just where the housing density will be at its greatest?  Who is to push for green infrastructure within the areas where the residents are suffering ill health due to air quality?  I think that there will be no way of ensuring that all cars will be electric by the governments target date, and many lives will be lost before that if something is not done.  It just needs creative thinking and the will to do something about it.  Many of the cities are looking forward, but just as many towns have pockets of hight level air polution that needs addressing, but it is whether Dawlish Town Council want to stand up and be counted and are willing to take the lead, setting an example to others by showing the way forward.

 

https://www.scotscape.net/living-wall-benefits-improving-air-quality-london-south-east/

Lynne
Lynne
04 Mar 2018 15:05

This business about the link road (when/if it ever gets built) being a major link through Dawlish. 

Are we correct about that?

This is from a 2015 document concerning the link road. It would seem from the wording that the powers that be don't necessarily see it as being a major through road.

 

 “The vehicular access through DA2 should be in the form of an avenue. ‘Secmaton
Avenue’ should be designed as an accessible continuous link through the
development, and it could be described as a ‘primary street’. It will be designed in
such a way as to achieve accessibility for residents within the site, however, detering
others from using it as an alternative to the A379. This will be achieved through

careful design.”    

Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
04 Mar 2018 15:42

Ignore this document it is out of date.  When TDC put in for the £4.2 million grant they provided a plan which showed all the new developments around Gatehouse Farm using the road.  This means that any of the old estates will also access the link road rather than using Elm Grove Road if heading to Exeter.  There is nothing stopping residents from Upper Longlands, Meadow Park, Meadow Rise etc from cutting through Newlands and also using the road avoiding the town centre.  It is not like you have a toll booth at either end and you have a pass to show before you can use it!  Residents will take the easiest and quickest route and if this is the link road then that is the way they will go, which make TDC not intouch with reality if they actually are convinced no one but the new houses will use it!

Lynne
Lynne
04 Mar 2018 15:46

Thanks for the update re document. 

Totally agree with you about it being 'the' road that an awful lot of residents will use. And I am sure sat navs will take drivers along it as well.  

You wouldn't have a link for the plan that you refer to in your second sentence above, would you? 

majorp
majorp
04 Mar 2018 15:58

Vehicle drivers are the worst when it comes to polution. They do not switch off when they could and I am told that a vehicle that is going no where but with it's engine running, causes more polution than a moving one.

Exeter road is a classic at the moment. They are sat waiting for five or more minutes for the lights to change and do not switch off.

I have noticed that some bus drivers are switching off when they are waiting at the Brookdale Terrace bus stop.

Barbarawils68
Barbarawils68
04 Mar 2018 16:30

Lynne it took a bit of finding, had to look for the google image before I found the article.  Here is the article web address and I have copied the map below.  What do you make of it?

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/new-road-help-nearly-1000-1167359

 

The Dawlish Urban Extension and the new Link Road

leatash
leatash
04 Mar 2018 16:56

majorp You are spot on one of my pet hates drivers parked wife in shop engine running, they do it in Sainsburys engine running in the winter to keep warm and in the summer for the aircon, i notice the same in town in should be a legal requirment to switch of your engine when stationary.

Lynne
Lynne
04 Mar 2018 17:22

@Barbarawils68

Thanks for map and link.

Because link road looks (mostly) straight on map does it follow that it will be so in actuality? 

Although Carhaix Way is now bollarded half way along its route, had it been a through highway (as was originally planned), it was nontheless designed to deter traffic from using it as such.

Might the link road be the same?            

majorp
majorp
04 Mar 2018 19:45

A lot of people don't know this, but then again there are lots of things that drivers don't know when it comes to driving.

"Stationary idling is an offence under section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988," says Jeanette Miller, a managing director of Geoffrey Miller Solicitors. 

The Act enforces rule 123 of the Highway Code which states: "You must not leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road." 

And doing this can incur a £20 fixed-penalty fine under the Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) Regulations 2002. This goes up to £40 if unpaid within a given timeframe.

Lynne
Lynne
05 Mar 2018 06:33

@DaveHutton

apologies - threads can and do wander off the original subject and this one is proving no exception.  

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majorp
majorp
05 Mar 2018 09:33

Wandering can be benificial/imformativ/educational. I see nothing wrong with having a good wander. Ever wondered what would happen if we didn't wander?

Lynne
Lynne
05 Mar 2018 09:38

and I wouldn't disagree with anything that you've said Majorp - just flagging up to someone whom I'm assuming is new to this site that this wandering off the original topic is not infrequent.  

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leatash
leatash
15 Mar 2018 17:19
majorp
majorp
28 Mar 2018 09:17

Now the government says it plans to introduce a deposit scheme for single-use plastic bottles in England. It will increase prices, but shoppers will get the money back if they return the container. It will also apply to glass bottles and steel and aluminium cans.

 

And not before time, butit still does not say how much the deposit will be.

In my youth, there was 3pennies deposit 1.5p in todays money. With inflation since then I wonder what 1.5p would be in today's prices? That may or may not be some sort of a guide as to what we might expect today.

Bring it on!!!!!!!

majorp
majorp
28 Mar 2018 13:04

On my way to Newton Abbot this morning, I noticed hundreds of boxes full up with bottles and cans of all descriptions ready for the bin men to pick up. Will that be a thing of the past or will people still be throwing money away by leaving boxes still full withwith bottles and cans.

I wonder what will happen.

burneside
burneside
28 Mar 2018 13:46

They can get stuffed if they think I am returning all my plastic and glass to the shops, so now we'll be paying twice; once to the council to take away the recycling, and again in higher prices at the shops.

leatash
leatash
28 Mar 2018 16:04

burnside i will have them i used to collect bottles as a kid to get the dosh on the returns.

Dave Hutton
Dave Hutton
28 Mar 2018 18:53

The figures are frightening - 43% of the 13bn plastic bottles sold each year in the UK are recycled, and 700,000 are littered every day. Repeat - 13bn plasic bottles!!!!!!!!!! 700,000 EVERY DAY thrown away??

Please think about this, and your buying habits, before making rude remarks. Your children and their children will live in a world where the plastic in the oceans weighs more than the fish. Is that what you want?

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majorp
majorp
28 Mar 2018 19:31

Just a thought!! If people still put cans and bottles in the bins for collection, will it breed a new type of person who will go along and empty the bins before the bin collection people get there. Could be a lucrative business.

leatash
leatash
28 Mar 2018 19:48

Dave Hutton it's certainly not what i want.  But are young people on side i was parked outside South Devon College this morning and watched three 17/18 year old's each with a sausage in a roll and brown sauce in a plastic sachet the sauce goes on sausage the plastic on the floor when i asked them to pick it up i was told to f**k o*f.  That plastic would have been washed down the drain when it rained and ended up in the sea i put it in the bin.

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burneside
burneside
28 Mar 2018 20:33

I will not be told what I can, or cannot buy, by the green lobby.

majorp
majorp
28 Mar 2018 21:00

burnside, if you do not pay the deposit and it could be as much as 22p a bottle, then you will not be able to purchase the goods that you require. Simple really. No deposit = no goods= no plastic that you can throw away.

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Diana Mond
Diana Mond
28 Mar 2018 22:22

It’s no coincidence that those who care so little for the future of our planet for future generations, are the ones who also voted Brexit without a thought for the negative impact on future generations. Selfish and self-absorbed. 

 

Ironically though, they’re the ones that look back through rose-tinted glasses at the “good old days”. When they had to pay a refundable deposit for glass bottle of pop. 

 

I bet they’re also the ones who whine at having to pay 5p for a single-use plastic carrier bag. 

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burneside
burneside
28 Mar 2018 22:58

Here we go again - Mrs C thinking she knows eveything.  And by the way, I don't pay 5p for a carrier bag, I bulk-buy from Amazon, cheaper and I don't pay to advertise a supermarket.

 

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burneside
burneside
28 Mar 2018 23:00

@majorp

We are already paying through the council tax to have our recycling taken away, this new tax is a con.

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leatash
leatash
28 Mar 2018 23:54

Diana Mond How about backing up your claims with some statistical evidence because the above is the biggest load of rubbish i have ever seen on this forum.

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Diana Mond
Diana Mond
29 Mar 2018 09:04

and @burneside, the people who bulk buy from tax-dodgers amazon are the same people who are responsible for the death of the high street.

 

@leatash, my evidence is anecdotal.  

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majorp
majorp
29 Mar 2018 09:42

We never had reusable plastic bags in my younger days, we had a shopping bags that mother made from old worn out clothes-they were unique and did not advertise for free for anyone. I don't buy plastic bags now, I use bags that have been disgarded by someone else - it costs nothing. The death of any high st is self inflicted. Shop keepers complained about parking in the streets. Local authorities siezed on those complaints and introduced controlled parking at a cost. Now shop keepers are demanding free parking to try and encourage shoppers back to the high street. Same thing happened where people demanded resident parking zones where resisidents have to pay for a permit. ( DCC rakes in nearly half a million to provide the permits) A permit does not guarantee a parking place but people were led to believe it did and arguements still go on, no wonder anti-social behaviour complaints have gone up. Personally I think that is too late to save the high st and maybe to save the planet as we know it. It has got out of hand and it will require an herculean effort world wide by everyone to put things right.

leatash
leatash
29 Mar 2018 16:38

I would advise everyone to do what i do Ebay item no 222791580318.

burneside
burneside
29 Mar 2018 16:43

Mrs C must be the only person in Britain who has never shopped with Amazon.  Get with the times girl.

leatash
leatash
13 Apr 2018 13:49
leatash
leatash
13 Apr 2018 19:10
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